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LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
April 18 2012 12:37 GMT
#2701
I hope SN takes over Virus this time !
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 18 2012 12:38 GMT
#2702
On April 18 2012 21:37 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 21:36 rothsbury wrote:
On April 18 2012 21:33 Destructicon wrote:
On April 18 2012 21:29 rothsbury wrote:
It'd be interesting to see a battlecruiser switch in that situation (maxed terran with heaps of resources). Supernova did really well but his army always seemed much weaker than it should be given his huge advantage... in the TvP matchup you just max on bio, there's no real high tech units (besides a few ghosts) that you mix in to make it really dangerous. It was always a danger that genius would kill supernova's relatively weak army at some point and roll him before he could reinforce.


Terrible idea, by the time you max with BCs the Toss would have had ample time to scout the switch and prepare an ample defense, + all the extra burst and firepower of BCs is negated by feedback, which also rapes a big chunk of a BCs HP, you'd have to EMP your own BCs, in which case again you can't benefit from having Yamato.

Anyway, if someone would have told me last season, that Genius would lose a long macro game to a Terran, on Daybreak, and more specifically to Supernova, I'd have laughed in the guys face.

In TvT there have been late game BC switches which have gone completely unscouted (cf virus vs supernova today), no reason why you couldn't also catch a P off guard. Especially since the standard game is to just make bio all game, there would ordinarily be no reason to scout the terran's base. Also re: high templar, that turns into a micro battle where the terran wants to get yamatos off before he gets fedback.


It'll work like once or twice but then protoss will just use their observers more.


Turret rings
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
April 18 2012 12:38 GMT
#2703
On April 18 2012 21:31 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 21:29 -y0shi- wrote:
Not even whining, great play by supernova, but seriously, how the hell is toss supposed to beat this army and why are people complaining terran lategame is to week?! With ghost/cloak/drop you can do soo much and toss can just run around like an idiot until he misses a nuke

Genius' army was stronger for pretty much all the game, except at the very very end. The problem was that he didn't handle the harrass well. "running around like an idiot" is not how you handle drop harrass; you have to split effectively / have units in position properly.


Yeah and then what? IT seems like the terran army is actually a lot stronger in a direct engagement, if you fight in a choke / theres even a pf I dont even see toss winning this fight. You also wont have detection against ghosts / vikings and 25 cloaked ghosts with no detection is kinda hard to stop :/
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
April 18 2012 12:38 GMT
#2704
Rooting for Virus, the more Startale players make it to Ro8 the better
BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: MarojiN | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, Last, Mvp, BoguS/InnoVatioN | Executer vs Choosy on Gladiator - Never forget T-T
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
April 18 2012 12:38 GMT
#2705
On April 18 2012 21:34 zEnVy wrote:
SuperNova showing that stacking in a ball and fighting late game protoss in one massive battle is pretty stupid and goes against everything Bio has going for it.

It really felt that Genius really disappointed with his drop defense and multitasking there. He's done perfect defense before so it just seems really weird that he got outclassed like that.

Another thing is, and I'm theory crafting, but if Genius would have just pushed and went for the basetrade scenario, and camped Supernova's production (if he managed to get there), would it have been different. I recall a game between MMA and Oz on Calm Before The Storm where Oz was totally owned for 95% of the game, then he just pushed out with storm and Colossi, camped MMA's main and won.

Whatever it is, don't want to take anything away from Supernova's win though. Great showing. Hope he beats Virus now.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44303 Posts
April 18 2012 12:38 GMT
#2706
On April 18 2012 21:36 Kenpark wrote:
Future of endgame tvp ?


Ghosts and drops and multi-pronged harrass? And MMMVG? Pretty sure that's been the past, present, and future of TvP Supernova just pulled it off really well
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
April 18 2012 12:39 GMT
#2707
Where's my cow!

Best book ever.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2708
On April 18 2012 21:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 21:36 Kenpark wrote:
Future of endgame tvp ?


Ghosts and drops and multi-pronged harrass? And MMMVG? Pretty sure that's been the past, present, and future of TvP Supernova just pulled it off really well


Besides, the future of TvP is SkyGhost Terran.

....I wish...
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-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2709
On April 18 2012 21:36 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 21:30 zefreak wrote:
On April 18 2012 21:29 -y0shi- wrote:
Not even whining, great play by supernova, but seriously, how the hell is toss supposed to beat this army and why are people complaining terran lategame is to week?! With ghost/cloak/drop you can do soo much and toss can just run around like an idiot until he misses a nuke


Are you kidding me?

No observers, losing templars with full energy left and right(literally everywhere, all the time) because he couldn't keep up, clumping units and losing them due to move commands, and yet you can find people thinking that this game means that everything is going smoothly in TvP.


What goos are the templars against 25 ghosts? What good are obs if they fall from the sky instantly?
I really dont see a way to win an engagement as toss when the terran has pfs everywhere and mass ghost / viking
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2710
hahaha i love this discussion
get rich or die mining
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OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2711
Just got logged in to see that Nani 4-0'd his way to victory.
Foreigners fighting!! How long has it been since a foreigner in Ro8? I think it was HuK if I recall correctly...
Way to go Naniwa!!!
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2712
On April 18 2012 21:36 Kenpark wrote:
Future of endgame tvp ?

Everyone has known this for a long time now. Mass ghosts, nukes, planetary fortresses.
The thing is, it takes even longer to reach that point than Protoss reaching the 3-3, colossus + storms, 15 gateway, which is what Terrans have a problem with.
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2713
I would totally buy that book D:
BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: MarojiN | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, Last, Mvp, BoguS/InnoVatioN | Executer vs Choosy on Gladiator - Never forget T-T
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2714
Virus fighting!!!! If you advance I swear I'll get a Startale tattoo!!!!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2715
C'mon Virus, give me 4/4 on Liquibet :D
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 18 2012 12:40 GMT
#2716
On April 18 2012 21:36 Kenpark wrote:
Future of endgame tvp ?


every end game tvp
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
April 18 2012 12:41 GMT
#2717
Oh my god, Tastosis are on fire! :D
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 18 2012 12:41 GMT
#2718
kinda morbid just then lol
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
April 18 2012 12:41 GMT
#2719
On April 18 2012 21:34 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 21:25 Tyrant0 wrote:
On April 18 2012 21:23 zefreak wrote:
Tasteless is going to say OUTCLASSED!

You heard it here first.

Probably say supernova has the best tvp in the world.



This is the definition of outclassed, lol. And if supernova's TvP went like this every game, he'd easily be top 3 TvP. He used to be the definition of solid TvP before he fell off.


I do not agree. Supernova just did what a lot of T's are not doing, but the tools are there. Genius as a P defended very well aganist such amazing multi task, but always the initiative was from Supernova (the harasser always knows where he is going, the defender cannot predict where exactly the harass will land), so Genius did a less visible, less fancy, but still a spectacular job at defending such multi pronged attacks when P is not efficient to defend at multiple locations.

Supernova win it in amazing fashion, showing tools that many top T's are not even considering for lategame TvP, but Genius put up a great fight, it was not a rape as some fanboys/noobs are saying.

Genius didn't defend well, at all, he had no observers, no cannons and donated a ton of full energy hts, also, terrans have lost plenty of games by spending resources on useless when scouted nuking and drops, you really should lurk more before calling people noobs.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
April 18 2012 12:41 GMT
#2720
hahahahahaha
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
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