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On April 12 2012 19:57 silverstyle wrote: wow Squirtle o.O really evolving recently!
He was that good for a long time i guess he was unlucky with his games or just figured out how to chill and play his best on stage.
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On April 12 2012 19:57 Tsubbi wrote: why do so many korena top zergs dont get zvp, so stupid by leenock
Its just Leenock, koreans protoss have been suffering in zvp for a long time.
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oh god not Dual Sight PvZ...
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On April 12 2012 19:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:56 ReadySetFire wrote: MC has been dethroned as the king of 2 base all ins This one definitely wasn't an all in It was, no robo, twilight council or 3rd base. Nothing wrong with that though
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On April 12 2012 19:56 Perfecto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:54 MCDayC wrote: Raven's are actually really powerful vs Broods, it's just really hard to pull off, one mistep vs the infestors and GG. Seeker missiles can hit air right? are they effective against slow BLds? I'm not terran so this might come out as a really noob question. They are surprisingly effective because Broods and Corruptor can't really run and clump up a lot.
Thing is it's difficult to keep them Ravens alive + you need to spam HSM. And it takes quite an investment to get sufficient HSM to beat Broods and Corruptors.
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On April 12 2012 19:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:56 ReadySetFire wrote: MC has been dethroned as the king of 2 base all ins This one definitely wasn't an all in Dunno. If that attack got shutdown easily then Squirtle would be really behind.
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On April 12 2012 19:57 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:56 ReadySetFire wrote: MC has been dethroned as the king of 2 base all ins This one definitely wasn't an all in
Yeah that was just heavy pressure that accidentally won because leenock had nothing but lings...
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On April 12 2012 19:58 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:57 UmbeXCII wrote: Serious question? Why every zerg doesn't just do stephano's build vs FFE? whats stephanos build? 200/200 roaches at 11:00ish
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On April 12 2012 19:58 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:57 UmbeXCII wrote: Serious question? Why every zerg doesn't just do stephano's build vs FFE? whats stephanos build?
I guess they mean the max on roaches at 10 minutes and Kill the P
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Norway25712 Posts
On April 12 2012 19:58 Genome852 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:58 KristofferAG wrote:On April 12 2012 19:56 Perfecto wrote:On April 12 2012 19:54 MCDayC wrote: Raven's are actually really powerful vs Broods, it's just really hard to pull off, one mistep vs the infestors and GG. Seeker missiles can hit air right? are they effective against slow BLds? I'm not terran so this might come out as a really noob question. Can seeker missiles get fungal'd? No Didn't think so. Would be absolutely worthless against any zerg with Infestors then
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On April 12 2012 19:57 UmbeXCII wrote: Serious question? Why every zerg doesn't just do stephano's build vs FFE?
Stephano's build got crushed by MC at the Blizzard Cup correct? Koreans know how to use their force fields.
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On April 12 2012 19:58 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:56 Perfecto wrote:On April 12 2012 19:54 MCDayC wrote: Raven's are actually really powerful vs Broods, it's just really hard to pull off, one mistep vs the infestors and GG. Seeker missiles can hit air right? are they effective against slow BLds? I'm not terran so this might come out as a really noob question. It can do a lot of damage, but blords are rarely clumped up enough. Can seeker missiles get fungal'd?
They can't be fungal'd.
On a different note: The range to cast Seeker missiles is just too short, you will always lose some ravens and they are too expensive to be used as suicide units.
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On April 12 2012 19:58 zaii wrote: whats stephanos build?
Serinox wrote: 12 minute roach max.
UmbeXCII wrote 200/200 roaches at 11:00ish
On April 12 2012 19:59 windsupernova wrote: I guess they mean the max on roaches at 10 minutes and Kill the P
I think we need to keep it going...
It's the build, where you max out on roaches at about 09:00 and go kill the toss XD
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On April 12 2012 19:56 Perfecto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:54 MCDayC wrote: Raven's are actually really powerful vs Broods, it's just really hard to pull off, one mistep vs the infestors and GG. Seeker missiles can hit air right? are they effective against slow BLds? I'm not terran so this might come out as a really noob question.
the problem with seeker missle is 2 fold.
First it requires ravens and each raven costs 200 gas. So it's a super expensive investment for Seeker Missle which also requires research.
Second, each Raven can fire a maximum of 1 seeker missle per energy bar, and 1 seeker missle doesn't do anything to something that has much health as Brood Lords even if they're slow.
So. You need multiple ravens firing multiple Seeker missles to cause any damage to a Brood Lord army and considering their gas cost and the fact they come only from a tech labbed starport, each Raven you make is that many Vikings you CAN'T make.
In general Seeker Missle is just a risky solution at best and that's assuming you manage to even get a Seeker Missle off.
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Norway25712 Posts
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Still looks like it'll be two zergs in the top 16
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
On April 12 2012 19:59 Perfecto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:57 UmbeXCII wrote: Serious question? Why every zerg doesn't just do stephano's build vs FFE? Stephano's build got crushed by MC at the Blizzard Cup correct? Koreans know how to use their force fields. No, Stephano did an all in trying to punish MC's FFE, not the same thing at all.
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On April 12 2012 19:59 pdd wrote: Thing is it's difficult to keep them Ravens alive + you need to spam HSM. And it takes quite an investment to get sufficient HSM to beat Broods and Corruptors. SM is really expensive considering that it's not that strong due to the low range it has.
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On April 12 2012 19:58 Laxer wrote: Wow, Its like he just goes 2 based all in for every match, ever since the first match lost. =\.
Thats called making good decision, If he dun go all in against leenock last game when leenock is double expanding and cutting corners by having only lings to defend, squirtle will lose horribly.
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On April 12 2012 19:56 Perfecto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 19:54 MCDayC wrote: Raven's are actually really powerful vs Broods, it's just really hard to pull off, one mistep vs the infestors and GG. Seeker missiles can hit air right? are they effective against slow BLds? I'm not terran so this might come out as a really noob question. Seeker missles radius is too small and broods spread well. Basically it's totally cost ineffective not to mention infestors hit your ravens well before you hit them. Trust the pros they know how to deal with it. a) do not leave zerg alone, drops everywhere MTM pushes etc etc etc so they dont get crital mass b) if they do mass vikings and MTM pushes and drops
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