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On April 08 2012 13:45 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:27 JiPrime wrote:On April 08 2012 13:25 OrangeSoda wrote:On April 08 2012 13:24 JiPrime wrote:
I don't blame GOMTV.
I don't blame Blizzard.
I blame crappy American ISPs.
Seriously, step it up, America. The cool thing about LAN is that it doesnt matter if you have good or shit internet. Blizzard is the only one to blame. The reason why we got no LAN because we pirated the shit out of the BW, bypassing Bnet alltogether with LAN. You have absolutely no idea how many PCBangs in Korea were running pirated BW with LAN back in the late 90's/early 00's. Broodwar sold over 4.5 million copies in korea, about 10% of it's total population. What more do you want from korea they bought lots of copies! (note this is when it was at 9.5 million worldwide and was later 11 million. How many of those from Korea do you think?) Also sc2's lack of lan did not help it sell anymore in Korea in fact it isn't popular at all! Are you sure blizzard made the right decisions here? http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2007-05-21-starcraft2-peek_N.htm
I am sure they made the wrong one. And Gabe Newell knows that. He even holds presentations about that exact same topic for other developers. It just seems like Blizzard doesnt attend them.
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On April 08 2012 13:52 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:50 HolyArrow wrote:On April 08 2012 13:49 JiPrime wrote:
You haters can keep talking.
Nothings gonna change.
Of course, it's easy to say that from a position of comfort. It doesn't make what happened today just nor does it give you moral superiority  Are you implying that I care about moral superiority? Hate to break it to you, but not all of us care about morals. We just pretend to IRL so we don't get whipped. Still doesn't change the fact that Prime team won. :D
If you want to get philosophical, morals are actually extremely important, and all I see here are victors laughing and gloating at the losers in the face of an unjust situation while the victors conveniently ignore the details of the matter at hand in favor of conveniently oversimplifying things. But it's typical of human nature, so I can't really blame anyone here nor be surprised in the least.
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On April 08 2012 13:52 MasterKang wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:31 sc14s wrote:On April 08 2012 13:21 RJGooner wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 sc14s wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 MasterKang wrote:On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa lol no lol yes? lol NO perhaps on the way but not yet obviously. Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet. i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all. really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!" I think you're just plain dumb. There's a reason why winning the GSL is a requirement for the claim of "best player in the world. IT'S THE HARDEST TOURNAMENT IN THE WORLD. How can one be the best, if you haven't beaten the best in consecutive series in the most prestigious tournament on the earth. Beating DRG, who has been playing like shit, does not automatically make you the "best player in the world". Omg he beat Parting, the best PvT'er in the world? He also got 2-0'd by JYP, whom some would consider the WORST PvT'er in the Korean scene. Doesn't make much sense for the best sc2 player to lose like that does it? The fact that MKP advanced from his Code S group isn't even that impressive. His wins were against Zenio, who has always been fluctuating between code s and a, and July, who hasn't performed well since his loss to MC in the finals. If MKP had been in the group with Jjakji, Taeja, and theSTC, the chances of him advancing were probably 15-20%. Until MKP wins the GSL, which every pro sc2 player takes the most seriously and prepares the most for, he is NOT eligible for "Best player in the world"
When the fuck did MKP get 2-0'd by JYP? This is news to me.
and yes, he is the best player in the world *at this moment.*
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On April 08 2012 13:55 scaban84 wrote:
I seriously wish people saying MKP was dead should stfu. He had a huge bank and crazy production facilities pumping out units. Seriously, stfu.
Absolutely huge bank of 500 mins and over 1000 gas but the gas is irrelevant. ^___^
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MKP was easily dead...parting would just have to walk into main, and then sit on production while everything slowly died n use the warp prism to reinforce his army. MKP units can't be microed to death if they die once they come out. (if he didn't have a warp prism or pylon at the end then parting could just move his army across the map)
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On April 08 2012 13:56 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:52 MasterKang wrote:On April 08 2012 13:31 sc14s wrote:On April 08 2012 13:21 RJGooner wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 sc14s wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 MasterKang wrote:On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa lol no lol yes? lol NO perhaps on the way but not yet obviously. Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet. i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all. really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!" I think you're just plain dumb. There's a reason why winning the GSL is a requirement for the claim of "best player in the world. IT'S THE HARDEST TOURNAMENT IN THE WORLD. How can one be the best, if you haven't beaten the best in consecutive series in the most prestigious tournament on the earth. Beating DRG, who has been playing like shit, does not automatically make you the "best player in the world". Omg he beat Parting, the best PvT'er in the world? He also got 2-0'd by JYP, whom some would consider the WORST PvT'er in the Korean scene. Doesn't make much sense for the best sc2 player to lose like that does it? The fact that MKP advanced from his Code S group isn't even that impressive. His wins were against Zenio, who has always been fluctuating between code s and a, and July, who hasn't performed well since his loss to MC in the finals. If MKP had been in the group with Jjakji, Taeja, and theSTC, the chances of him advancing were probably 15-20%. Until MKP wins the GSL, which every pro sc2 player takes the most seriously and prepares the most for, he is NOT eligible for "Best player in the world" When the fuck did MKP get 2-0'd by JYP? This is news to me. and yes, he is the best player in the world at this moment.
10 months ago
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Why the hell do people think MKP losing= Startale win? Ghostking and Creator both took out Startale between the two of them after Maru and MKP lost. There is no logical reason why they couldn't do so again. And Ghostking beat a fresh Parting in the previous Prime vs. Startale after playing two previous games. If MKP can lose in GSTL yet crush in other tournaments, there is no reason why the two couldn't stage a comeback.
We can debate who should have won Parting vs Marineking. We cannot conclusively debate who should have won the series though. It could have gone any way.
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On April 08 2012 13:54 Highways wrote:
I'll say Parting had that game 80%
100%
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Oh well, done discussing. It will be finals everyone will remember. And maybe, just maybe, that this tragedy managed to convince Blizzard to change it's policies or quicken their solution. 
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On April 08 2012 13:56 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:56 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:52 MasterKang wrote:On April 08 2012 13:31 sc14s wrote:On April 08 2012 13:21 RJGooner wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 sc14s wrote:On April 08 2012 13:18 MasterKang wrote:On April 08 2012 13:09 DivinitySC2 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:07 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote:
MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa lol no lol yes? lol NO perhaps on the way but not yet obviously. Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet. i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all. really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!" I think you're just plain dumb. There's a reason why winning the GSL is a requirement for the claim of "best player in the world. IT'S THE HARDEST TOURNAMENT IN THE WORLD. How can one be the best, if you haven't beaten the best in consecutive series in the most prestigious tournament on the earth. Beating DRG, who has been playing like shit, does not automatically make you the "best player in the world". Omg he beat Parting, the best PvT'er in the world? He also got 2-0'd by JYP, whom some would consider the WORST PvT'er in the Korean scene. Doesn't make much sense for the best sc2 player to lose like that does it? The fact that MKP advanced from his Code S group isn't even that impressive. His wins were against Zenio, who has always been fluctuating between code s and a, and July, who hasn't performed well since his loss to MC in the finals. If MKP had been in the group with Jjakji, Taeja, and theSTC, the chances of him advancing were probably 15-20%. Until MKP wins the GSL, which every pro sc2 player takes the most seriously and prepares the most for, he is NOT eligible for "Best player in the world" When the fuck did MKP get 2-0'd by JYP? This is news to me. and yes, he is the best player in the world at this moment. 10 months ago
Oh shit! Silly me
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On April 08 2012 13:57 GodZo wrote:100%
50%. Shall we keep going?
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On April 08 2012 13:57 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:57 GodZo wrote:On April 08 2012 13:54 Highways wrote:
I'll say Parting had that game 80% 100% 50%. Shall we keep going?
I'll take 50%, that's why we got remake and it was best decision to make.
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This final wasn't good because it was too one sided, it was almost like an all-kill by one player. I'm pretty sure the refs know what they're doing, they watched the replay several times. I didn't think during the DC it was decisive enough that Parting had the game won. He's leading, yeah. We gotta see the replay ourselves I guess. But look at the Bomber game, even Bomber thought he won (2v3 bases). Then he loses... compared to the Parting game when there were like 5v5 bases.
Tomorrow will be better though. It ain't gonna be that easy for MKP.
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On April 08 2012 13:51 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:44 Probasaur wrote:
People saying MKP was dead when he had what 15+ barracks with mostly reactors pumping out 30+ units?? You're crazy.
If you think he was dead you clearly have never seen MKP make a comeback by micro-ing his last few units. He would have kited all day in his base inside the maze of barracks and stabilized.
And maybe he wouldn't of and maybe Parting would have won, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON.
BUT he didn't. The game was interrupted before it was truly over. If he had 5 barracks left and 0 units then we could say it was over, but it wasn't over. You can't say you could predict the outcome of that back and forth game, it was too close to call. And its not like Parting just crushed MKP the whole time and then it went to DC, it was prolly the closest PvT I've ever watched. Based on just that alone for you to be upset about a regame is ridiculous and you're just being blind fanboys. Be happy you got to see the rematch, although it wasn't half as good. And just be happy you got to watch one of the greatest terrans (arguably the greatest) of all time play more games and hoist the trophy he so clearly deserves.
Dwelling on the negatives are what you sad people do best. So there's really nothing anyone can say that will help you see all the facts. You'll just focus on conjecture, speculation, and your judgement over the GSL referee's.
So if I have defeated all of your units and my units are in your base you probably keep arguing that you didn´t lose that game because you had 15+ barracks still standing there. Good job posting the same post several times, doesn´t make it a bit more logical, though.
You people keep saying he was in MKP's base. HE WASN'T IN HIS BASE!!! He wasn't even up the FIRST ramp yet!
He was still attacking the 3 or so barracks towards the center of the map. He sent in a warp prism into his base that we saw get followed by vikings. Is THAT what you're referring to??? You guys clearly weren't watching the same game as me.
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On April 08 2012 13:56 omgimonfire15 wrote:
Why the hell do people think MKP losing= Startale win? Ghostking and Creator both took out Startale between the two of them after Maru and MKP lost. There is no logical reason why they couldn't do so again. And Ghostking beat a fresh Parting in the previous Prime vs. Startale after playing two previous games. If MKP can lose in GSTL yet crush in other tournaments, there is no reason why the two couldn't stage a comeback.
We can debate who should have won Parting vs Marineking. We cannot conclusively debate who should have won the series though. It could have gone any way.
Exactly, but I guess we'll never know since mkp got the regame
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On April 08 2012 13:55 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:52 JiPrime wrote:On April 08 2012 13:50 HolyArrow wrote:On April 08 2012 13:49 JiPrime wrote:
You haters can keep talking.
Nothings gonna change.
Of course, it's easy to say that from a position of comfort. It doesn't make what happened today just nor does it give you moral superiority Are you implying that I care about moral superiority? Hate to break it to you, but not all of us care about morals. We just pretend to IRL so we don't get whipped. Still doesn't change the fact that Prime team won. :D If you want to get philosophical, morals are actually extremely important, and all I see here are victors laughing and gloating at the losers in the face of an unjust situation while the victors conveniently ignore the details of the matter at hand in favor of conveniently oversimplifying things. But it's typical of human nature, so I can't really blame anyone here nor be surprised in the least.
Meh, this topic is just a bunch of uneducated kids with no arguments now, ignore horrible posts like that. It is just a troll fest at his point.
Just ignore this topic completely and move on to the Proleague finals. ^.^
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On April 08 2012 13:54 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:52 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:50 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:48 Leth0 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:46 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:44 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:42 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:41 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote:
The better team won. The end. using the already defeated player Wow you're still posting bullshit lol. On the otherhand, I just took a nice shit. says the fanboy that said he wasn't going to talk to me anymore says the antiMKP fan who keeps posting bullshit like MKP lost against Parting. He didn't just lose to parting, he got dominated by parting. Anyone who knows even a little bit about starcraft knows that. Parting took MKP to school in that game then got robbed by some referee's who were to scared make the right call in front of an audience. Hm, from what I could tell MKP and Parting were even in the first game, and then MKP spanked him in the second. 60 supply down the game was even Doubtful but he might be referring to the game as a whole which was very even with MKP holding a slight lead for 90% of the game.
i've seen demuslim hold advantages all game long against protosses and still lose
Bling v Demuslim on Metropolis at the LSC comes to mind
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On April 08 2012 13:59 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:54 Femari wrote:On April 08 2012 13:52 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:50 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:48 Leth0 wrote:On April 08 2012 13:46 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:44 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:42 vndods wrote:On April 08 2012 13:41 Denzil wrote:On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote:
The better team won. The end. using the already defeated player Wow you're still posting bullshit lol. On the otherhand, I just took a nice shit. says the fanboy that said he wasn't going to talk to me anymore says the antiMKP fan who keeps posting bullshit like MKP lost against Parting. He didn't just lose to parting, he got dominated by parting. Anyone who knows even a little bit about starcraft knows that. Parting took MKP to school in that game then got robbed by some referee's who were to scared make the right call in front of an audience. Hm, from what I could tell MKP and Parting were even in the first game, and then MKP spanked him in the second. 60 supply down the game was even Doubtful but he might be referring to the game as a whole which was very even with MKP holding a slight lead for 90% of the game. i've seen demuslim hold advantages all game long against protosses and still lose Bling v Demuslim on Metropolis at the LSC comes to mind
Now you're comparing MKP to demuslim?
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Wow, technical problems poisoning what should have been a really cool finals. Don't want to comment on who should have won, but I just want to note that this really hurts sc2's competitive integrity.
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On April 08 2012 13:55 scaban84 wrote:
I seriously wish people saying MKP was dead should stfu. He had a huge bank and crazy production facilities pumping out units. Seriously, stfu. I'd love to hear the thoughts of some referees and the two players and their coaches as well. I agree that the information we as spectators had was too limited, even though we could see the number of units they had. We can't properly asses the production cycle and position.
I'm willing to trust that experienced Korean observers and players who analyzed the situation did not take such a decision lightly and may have had solid reasons. It would help a lot if they put forward a detailed press release with their analysis.
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