On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.
So suddenly we have a wall of bunkers for MKP... Well then you underestimate the power of the mothership. That's pretty ridiculous... The guy was 50 supply down with less workers and his enemy on his gate... Everyone that knows how terran and protoss work and is not biased in some way will say that terran lost that game. MKP fanboys as ridiculous as always.
it's ok he can't come up with a logical argument for the past hour, don't expect one now you're right though these guys are worse than the stephano hype train
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
This. Holy crap, I haven't seen TL this butthurt since that JD vs Flash match a year or two ago... Lighten up a little, people. This ain't the last GSTL, there will be plenty of GSTLs in the future.
Down 3-1 with MKP out, yup clearly the better team.
Damn, it's almost as if Maru hasn't all killed Startale before and Byun hasn't closed out Startale before from a deficit either.
Oh wait!
Maru gone too already. Byun can't take out Parting, Bomber, Curious, and Squirtle.
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
using the already defeated player
Wow you're still posting bullshit lol. On the otherhand, I just took a nice shit.
says the fanboy that said he wasn't going to talk to me anymore
says the antiMKP fan who keeps posting bullshit like MKP lost against Parting.
He didn't just lose to parting, he got dominated by parting. Anyone who knows even a little bit about starcraft knows that. Parting took MKP to school in that game then got robbed by some referee's who were to scared make the right call in front of an audience.
Hm, from what I could tell MKP and Parting were even in the first game, and then MKP spanked him in the second.
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
This. Holy crap, I haven't seen TL this butthurt since that JD vs Flash match a year or two ago... Lighten up a little, people. This ain't the last GSTL, there will be plenty of GSTLs in the future.
Down 3-1 with MKP out, yup clearly the better team.
Damn, it's almost as if Maru hasn't all killed Startale before and Byun hasn't closed out Startale before from a deficit either.
Oh wait!
Maru gone too already. Byun can't take out Parting, Bomber, Curious, and Squirtle.
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
no, without mkp, maru only code a players for prime and startale wins.
GhostKing and Creator.
code a players
Both Creator and GhostKing can easily carry the team to a win even without MarineKing. The lineup for Prime is in my opinion more dangerous than StarTales.
If you watch teamleagues of the past, Creator can be a beast in the teamleagues and GhostKing got a triple kill off StarTale the last time they met. MarineKing was by no means the last line for Prime.
People aren't upset because they think StarTale got robbed of their deserved title. Only StarTale fanboys can think that. People are upset because no one knows how the true story would have unfolded normally without the D/C. It's a "what could have been " thought process that has tainted the finals.
On April 08 2012 13:44 Probasaur wrote: People saying MKP was dead when he had what 15+ barracks with mostly reactors pumping out 30+ units?? You're crazy.
If you think he was dead you clearly have never seen MKP make a comeback by micro-ing his last few units. He would have kited all day in his base inside the maze of barracks and stabilized.
And maybe he wouldn't of and maybe Parting would have won, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON.
BUT he didn't. The game was interrupted before it was truly over. If he had 5 barracks left and 0 units then we could say it was over, but it wasn't over. You can't say you could predict the outcome of that back and forth game, it was too close to call. And its not like Parting just crushed MKP the whole time and then it went to DC, it was prolly the closest PvT I've ever watched. Based on just that alone for you to be upset about a regame is ridiculous and you're just being blind fanboys. Be happy you got to see the rematch, although it wasn't half as good. And just be happy you got to watch one of the greatest terrans (arguably the greatest) of all time play more games and hoist the trophy he so clearly deserves.
Dwelling on the negatives are what you sad people do best. So there's really nothing anyone can say that will help you see all the facts. You'll just focus on conjecture, speculation, and your judgement over the GSL referee's.
What the fuck is wrong with people reposting their shit over and over again? Is it a new trend or something? We got it the first time, thank you. Let's move on now.
Now that the flood was over I wanted to make sure my little write up wasn't lost among 3 word posts.
Seeker gave me a hug for this post, I can post it 1000 times if I want. Sorry you have trouble articulating your anger, thats usually the case since an angry person is not a clear thinking, logical person.
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
using the already defeated player
Wow you're still posting bullshit lol. On the otherhand, I just took a nice shit.
says the fanboy that said he wasn't going to talk to me anymore
says the antiMKP fan who keeps posting bullshit like MKP lost against Parting.
He didn't just lose to parting, he got dominated by parting. Anyone who knows even a little bit about starcraft knows that. Parting took MKP to school in that game then got robbed by some referee's who were to scared make the right call in front of an audience.
Probably that's why MKP demolished PartinG in next game and continued to totally humiliate everyone in next games. Sorry, but better team won, just accept it.
On April 08 2012 13:44 Probasaur wrote: People saying MKP was dead when he had what 15+ barracks with mostly reactors pumping out 30+ units?? You're crazy.
If you think he was dead you clearly have never seen MKP make a comeback by micro-ing his last few units. He would have kited all day in his base inside the maze of barracks and stabilized.
And maybe he wouldn't of and maybe Parting would have won, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON.
BUT he didn't. The game was interrupted before it was truly over. If he had 5 barracks left and 0 units then we could say it was over, but it wasn't over. You can't say you could predict the outcome of that back and forth game, it was too close to call. And its not like Parting just crushed MKP the whole time and then it went to DC, it was prolly the closest PvT I've ever watched. Based on just that alone for you to be upset about a regame is ridiculous and you're just being blind fanboys. Be happy you got to see the rematch, although it wasn't half as good. And just be happy you got to watch one of the greatest terrans (arguably the greatest) of all time play more games and hoist the trophy he so clearly deserves.
Dwelling on the negatives are what you sad people do best. So there's really nothing anyone can say that will help you see all the facts. You'll just focus on conjecture, speculation, and your judgement over the GSL referee's.
So if I have defeated all of your units and my units are in your base you probably keep arguing that you didn´t lose that game because you had 15+ barracks still standing there. Good job posting the same post several times, doesn´t make it a bit more logical, though.
On April 08 2012 13:38 dabom88 wrote: The better team won. The end.
This. Holy crap, I haven't seen TL this butthurt since that JD vs Flash match a year or two ago... Lighten up a little, people. This ain't the last GSTL, there will be plenty of GSTLs in the future.
Down 3-1 with MKP out, yup clearly the better team.
Damn, it's almost as if Maru hasn't all killed Startale before and Byun hasn't closed out Startale before from a deficit either.
Oh wait!
Maru gone too already. Byun can't take out Parting, Bomber, Curious, and Squirtle.
Squirtle already sat Byun down this weekend. :3
Oh hey yea, let's theorycraft how all 4 unplayed games will go now shall we?
On the bright side - could we have asked for a better case to present right in the face of Blizzard's CEO, lead designer and lead balancer - that they should seriously consider reconnect feature, save feature, and some form of LAN feature (even though in this particular case the disconnect was local and so it would have happened with or without LAN). We are lucky.
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote: MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa
lol no
lol yes?
lol NO
perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet.
i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all.
really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!"
I think you're just plain dumb. There's a reason why winning the GSL is a requirement for the claim of "best player in the world. IT'S THE HARDEST TOURNAMENT IN THE WORLD. How can one be the best, if you haven't beaten the best in consecutive series in the most prestigious tournament on the earth. Beating DRG, who has been playing like shit, does not automatically make you the "best player in the world".
Omg he beat Parting, the best PvT'er in the world? He also got 2-0'd by JYP, whom some would consider the WORST PvT'er in the Korean scene. Doesn't make much sense for the best sc2 player to lose like that does it? The fact that MKP advanced from his Code S group isn't even that impressive. His wins were against Zenio, who has always been fluctuating between code s and a, and July, who hasn't performed well since his loss to MC in the finals. If MKP had been in the group with Jjakji, Taeja, and theSTC, the chances of him advancing were probably 15-20%.
Until MKP wins the GSL, which every pro sc2 player takes the most seriously and prepares the most for, he is NOT eligible for "Best player in the world"
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