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On April 05 2012 06:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:01 Xarles wrote:On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't. Ahh, yes. It's not as if he has a job as a progamer with sponsors who expect him to act with a teeny tiny bit of professionalism since... well y'know... they're his employers and all that. You completely looked passed point and went into some other shit. Anyway, show me where the sponsers specifically said they "expect" him to be professional and then I'll believe you. Last time I checked companies/individuals sponser a player because of their skill not professionalism. Look at Dragon, Gosi[Terran], Idra hell there's a ton of people who pull the same shit but still remain sponsered so you can throw the whole topic of professionalism out the window. Also, after the whole Millenium/Complexity issue I suspect that Millenium already expects such behavior from Stephano as it has happened before even after this situation. Millenium then went on to sign Dragon and we all know Dragons reputation. So, I'm sure Millenium is quite aware of this situation beforehand.
As one can tell from your spelling mistakes and swearing, you realize yourself that the other guy pointed out the obvious flaw in your thinking. Let's still take a look at the one new point you make (not new, actually, more like less rarely used) and show how even that is wrong. You bring out Idra as an example of an unprofessional player. Besides being disrespectful to Idra, you fail to realize that when he forfeited against Nerchio, his managers explicitly called him out on it, and he stopped forfeiting. There's a clear red line on forfeiting games as a progamer, and teams and sponsors do not tolerate it.
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On April 05 2012 06:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:01 Xarles wrote:On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't. Ahh, yes. It's not as if he has a job as a progamer with sponsors who expect him to act with a teeny tiny bit of professionalism since... well y'know... they're his employers and all that. You completely looked passed point and went into some other shit. Anyway, show me where the sponsers specifically said they "expect" him to be professional and then I'll believe you. Last time I checked companies/individuals sponser a player because of their skill not professionalism. Look at Dragon, Gosi[Terran], Idra hell there's a ton of people who pull the same shit but still remain sponsered so you can throw the whole topic of professionalism out the window. Also, after the whole Millenium/Complexity issue I suspect that Millenium already expects such behavior from Stephano as it has happened before even after this situation. Millenium then went on to sign Dragon and we all know Dragons reputation. So, I'm sure Millenium is quite aware of this situation beforehand.
So because they should expect this behavior from him(according to you) that makes it okay?
So I guess Millenium pays Stephano to forfeit matches, and because some throw matches it's okay for everybody else to do it? Gotcha!
Well if you remembered the last few months of history(don't strain yourself); a team and its sponsors require/expect its players to market their brands and bring good exposure to them.
Could perhaps just be me, but I believe that would include playing the matches they have signed up for in the game that is the focus of their current line of work?
While not the best pro-players, iNcontroL & NoNy did shed light on the behavioral conduct expected from people who are on a team.
While IdrA is a good example, EG's CEO has been forced to call him out and talk to him on his behavior from time to time. While not as often as many would like, he still requires him to adhere to a certain level of professionalism.
This has also been demonstrated by teams Prime, SlayerS & Quantic Gaming.
But perhaps Millennium simply has lower standards(I hope not for the sake of their reputation) since you did bring up Dragon.
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french community is very disapointed, the french caster pomf&thud and their team, are doing very hard work to do this tourney... a lot of french watch their stream, around 7 or 8k viewers, mostly french. And see stephano give up like this... a lot of people was counting on him and for god's sake it's only a BO3, how he couldn't have enough time? He play almost all time -_-
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On April 05 2012 07:34 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:01 Xarles wrote:On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:
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I would have advanced if I was Jjakji.
See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't. Ahh, yes. It's not as if he has a job as a progamer with sponsors who expect him to act with a teeny tiny bit of professionalism since... well y'know... they're his employers and all that. You completely looked passed point and went into some other shit. Anyway, show me where the sponsers specifically said they "expect" him to be professional and then I'll believe you. Last time I checked companies/individuals sponser a player because of their skill not professionalism. Look at Dragon, Gosi[Terran], Idra hell there's a ton of people who pull the same shit but still remain sponsered so you can throw the whole topic of professionalism out the window. Also, after the whole Millenium/Complexity issue I suspect that Millenium already expects such behavior from Stephano as it has happened before even after this situation. Millenium then went on to sign Dragon and we all know Dragons reputation. So, I'm sure Millenium is quite aware of this situation beforehand. As one can tell from your spelling mistakes and swearing, you realize yourself that the other guy pointed out the obvious flaw in your thinking. Let's still take a look at the one new point you make (not new, actually, more like less rarely used) and show how even that is wrong. You bring out Idra as an example of an unprofessional player. Besides being disrespectful to Idra, you fail to realize that when he forfeited against Nerchio, his managers explicitly called him out on it, and he stopped forfeiting. There's a clear red line on forfeiting games as a progamer, and teams and sponsors do not tolerate it.
First off, there's no conspicuous flaw in my thinking. Second of all, I don't recall getting grades for "correct spelling" on threads. Also, if that's how you determine intelligence then I feel sorry for you. According to you: I fail to realize the situation about idra forfeiting against Nerchio. Idra has been on EG for how long now? Since Brood War in Sept 2010. Two years later EG addresses his behavior. Then you go on to point out that "I'm being disrespectful to idra" lol something that isn't even relevant to what were discussing but I'll address it anyway. Idra has a vast reputation as being unprofessional and bad mannered. The most recent event that comes to mind is his showmatch against alive. Where he repeatedly 6 pooled and left the game. He in fact was getting paid for that showmatch regardless if he won or lost. All Idra was doing was speeding up the games so he could get paid. Also, keep in mind Idra is no longer considered the "best foreigner" anymore therefore he isn't allowed to get away with a lot of the things he used to back when he was. Then you go on to mention that teams and sponsors "do not tolerate it". Okay? Just because EG doesn't tolerate it doesn't mean that the rest follow the example. Stephano has done this a numerous amount of times now and Millenium has yet to address it.
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On April 05 2012 07:40 Xarles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:01 Xarles wrote:On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:
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I would have advanced if I was Jjakji.
See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't. Ahh, yes. It's not as if he has a job as a progamer with sponsors who expect him to act with a teeny tiny bit of professionalism since... well y'know... they're his employers and all that. You completely looked passed point and went into some other shit. Anyway, show me where the sponsers specifically said they "expect" him to be professional and then I'll believe you. Last time I checked companies/individuals sponser a player because of their skill not professionalism. Look at Dragon, Gosi[Terran], Idra hell there's a ton of people who pull the same shit but still remain sponsered so you can throw the whole topic of professionalism out the window. Also, after the whole Millenium/Complexity issue I suspect that Millenium already expects such behavior from Stephano as it has happened before even after this situation. Millenium then went on to sign Dragon and we all know Dragons reputation. So, I'm sure Millenium is quite aware of this situation beforehand. So because they should expect this behavior from him(according to you) that makes it okay? So I guess Millenium pays Stephano to forfeit matches, and because some throw matches it's okay for everybody else to do it? Gotcha! Well if you remembered the last few months of history(don't strain yourself); a team and its sponsors require/expect its players to market their brands and bring good exposure to them. Could perhaps just be me, but I believe that would include playing the matches they have signed up for in the game that is the focus of their current line of work? While not the best pro-players, iNcontroL & NoNy did shed light on the behavioral conduct expected from people who are on a team. While IdrA is a good example, EG's CEO has been forced to call him out and talk to him on his behavior from time to time. While not as often as many would like, he still requires him to adhere to a certain level of professionalism. This has also been demonstrated by teams Prime, SlayerS & Quantic Gaming. But perhaps Millennium simply has lower standards(I hope not for the sake of their reputation) since you did bring up Dragon.
lol, I didn't say forfeitting is "okay" (your getting off topic) I said that Millenium should expect it because Stephano has a history of doing this type of thing and they have yet to address it.
I said if a player isn't bounded by any contract or licensing in a tournament he should have the option of forfeitting because there's no legal documentation saything that he can't.
It's only natural for a sponser to requires its players to market their brands and Stephano being the #1 Foreigner aka: "The Foreigners Hope" is marketing for Millenium. Stephano has won numberous tournaments and in each one of those tournaments he displays the icons of Millenium and his other sponsers. I wasn't trying to insult you in any way and if you felt that I was, I completely apologize for coming off that way. But, I see that Stephano was FORCED to forfeit and that's completely unexceptable.
I don't promote or encourage their actions...I'm simply just looking at the legal side of it.
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Hate players with low professionalism, it only shows their character.
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I'm starting to like stephano less and less. He clearly does not care about his fans. "to ze bank" is all he cares about.
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On April 05 2012 08:40 alpha9 wrote:
french community is very disapointed, the french caster pomf&thud and their team, are doing very hard work to do this tourney... a lot of french watch their stream, around 7 or 8k viewers, mostly french. And see stephano give up like this... a lot of people was counting on him and for god's sake it's only a BO3, how he couldn't have enough time? He play almost all time -_-
I don't think it was a matter of time. He knows he had no chance against players better than him, He lost to the other 2 Koreans. By avoiding the match, he avoids a real loss, and his fans can still keep dreaming that he could have beat MMA, if he had played...
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On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p
Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them.
He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that.
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On April 05 2012 15:30 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them. He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that.
I don't know about you, but talking about him winning some Bo1's from 4-5months ago doesn't mean anything, considering how thing change so fast and people can go up and down so quickly. Just looking at Stephano's recent games, he hasn't won against any notable Korean players recently, except Polt, who has a winner record against him.
Im guessing his idea of staying a top foreigner includes winning random smaller tournaments, not going to Korea, and just dodge all the good players he can't beat.
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yes his score at blizzard cup wasnt that impressive BUT his korean ladder run was ( only foreigner to do top 15 with 70 percent after 2 week in kor ! ) and he played a lot of top class kor player
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On April 05 2012 15:45 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 15:30 samurai80 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them. He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that. I don't know about you, but talking about him winning some Bo1's from 4-5months ago doesn't mean anything, considering how thing change so fast and people can go up and down so quickly. Just looking at Stephano's recent games, he hasn't won against any notable Korean players recently, except Polt, who has a winner record against him. Im guessing his idea of staying a top foreigner includes winning random smaller tournaments, not going to Korea, and just dodge all the good players he can't beat.
Well, I don't really blame stephano. He probably feels that he has nothing to prove and the entirety of his career is to make as much money as possible before he switches to study medicine. Once he leaves this game the only thing that's going to matter in his life is how much money he made and all the things he can spend it on. What he's doing is finding the easiest way to make money even if that means dodging top players and playing in smaller tournaments because he feels that he has an advantage. Why play in a Korean league or tryout for one (GSL) if you can win more money in a couple of tournaments with a lower skill ceiling? It's less stress and easier earnings. Plus, Stephano's displayed on numberous occasions that he could careless about the communities opinions or expectations.
Sure we want to see the "Foreigner Hope" fulfill that title but only he alone can decide if he wants to take on the task. But "to ze bank!" is his focus and "to ze bank!" is where all that money is going from dodging top players and winning smaller tournaments.
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On April 05 2012 16:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 15:45 Fubi wrote:On April 05 2012 15:30 samurai80 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them. He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that. I don't know about you, but talking about him winning some Bo1's from 4-5months ago doesn't mean anything, considering how thing change so fast and people can go up and down so quickly. Just looking at Stephano's recent games, he hasn't won against any notable Korean players recently, except Polt, who has a winner record against him. Im guessing his idea of staying a top foreigner includes winning random smaller tournaments, not going to Korea, and just dodge all the good players he can't beat. Well, I don't really blame stephano. He probably feels that he has nothing to prove and the entirety of his career is to make as much money as possible before he switches to study medicine. Once he leaves this game the only thing that's going to matter in his life is how much money he made and all the things he can spend it on. What he's doing is finding the easiest way to make money even if that means dodging top players and playing in smaller tournaments because he feels that he has an advantage. Why play in a Korean league or tryout for one (GSL) if you can win more money in a couple of tournaments with a lower skill ceiling? It's less stress and easier earnings. Plus, Stephano's displayed on numberous occasions that he could careless about the communities opinions or expectations. Sure we want to see the "Foreigner Hope" fulfill that title but only he alone can decide if he wants to take on the task. But "to ze bank!" is his focus and "to ze bank!" is where all that money is going from dodging top players and winning smaller tournaments.
Not saying I have a problem with what he does and decides with his life. Just saying people should stop hyping him as god or foreigner savior when all he's been doing is dodging good players and winning random tournaments without them.
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On April 05 2012 16:43 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 15:45 Fubi wrote:On April 05 2012 15:30 samurai80 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them. He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that. I don't know about you, but talking about him winning some Bo1's from 4-5months ago doesn't mean anything, considering how thing change so fast and people can go up and down so quickly. Just looking at Stephano's recent games, he hasn't won against any notable Korean players recently, except Polt, who has a winner record against him. Im guessing his idea of staying a top foreigner includes winning random smaller tournaments, not going to Korea, and just dodge all the good players he can't beat. Well, I don't really blame stephano. He probably feels that he has nothing to prove and the entirety of his career is to make as much money as possible before he switches to study medicine. Once he leaves this game the only thing that's going to matter in his life is how much money he made and all the things he can spend it on. What he's doing is finding the easiest way to make money even if that means dodging top players and playing in smaller tournaments because he feels that he has an advantage. Why play in a Korean league or tryout for one (GSL) if you can win more money in a couple of tournaments with a lower skill ceiling? It's less stress and easier earnings. Plus, Stephano's displayed on numberous occasions that he could careless about the communities opinions or expectations. Sure we want to see the "Foreigner Hope" fulfill that title but only he alone can decide if he wants to take on the task. But "to ze bank!" is his focus and "to ze bank!" is where all that money is going from dodging top players and winning smaller tournaments. Not saying I have a problem with what he does and decides with his life. Just saying people should stop hyping him as god or foreigner savior when all he's been doing is dodging good players and winning random tournaments without them.
not like he stomped MKP to win ESWC in October...
no excuse for his forfeit, still he's a great player.
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On April 05 2012 17:05 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:43 Fubi wrote:On April 05 2012 16:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 15:45 Fubi wrote:On April 05 2012 15:30 samurai80 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them. He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that. I don't know about you, but talking about him winning some Bo1's from 4-5months ago doesn't mean anything, considering how thing change so fast and people can go up and down so quickly. Just looking at Stephano's recent games, he hasn't won against any notable Korean players recently, except Polt, who has a winner record against him. Im guessing his idea of staying a top foreigner includes winning random smaller tournaments, not going to Korea, and just dodge all the good players he can't beat. Well, I don't really blame stephano. He probably feels that he has nothing to prove and the entirety of his career is to make as much money as possible before he switches to study medicine. Once he leaves this game the only thing that's going to matter in his life is how much money he made and all the things he can spend it on. What he's doing is finding the easiest way to make money even if that means dodging top players and playing in smaller tournaments because he feels that he has an advantage. Why play in a Korean league or tryout for one (GSL) if you can win more money in a couple of tournaments with a lower skill ceiling? It's less stress and easier earnings. Plus, Stephano's displayed on numberous occasions that he could careless about the communities opinions or expectations. Sure we want to see the "Foreigner Hope" fulfill that title but only he alone can decide if he wants to take on the task. But "to ze bank!" is his focus and "to ze bank!" is where all that money is going from dodging top players and winning smaller tournaments. Not saying I have a problem with what he does and decides with his life. Just saying people should stop hyping him as god or foreigner savior when all he's been doing is dodging good players and winning random tournaments without them. not like he stomped MKP to win ESWC in October... no excuse for his forfeit, still he's a great player.
I think people would gladly still agree that he is good, but there is something in the argument that he dodges good players. MKP "stomped" him in return the next time they met. That's the nature of the game. You win some, you lose some. You only win consistently if you play Grubby every tournament finals (and possibly not anymore if Grubby keeps improving).
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As expected, Stephano lost to Jjakji and hence refused to play his final match against MMA because he couldn't be bothered.
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On April 05 2012 04:45 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 04:41 Asha` wrote:On April 05 2012 04:40 00Visor wrote:On April 05 2012 04:39 samurai80 wrote:
Stephano completely owned T_T well, jjakji did need 2 very risky builds to own him Stephanos scouting is to blame here Nothing really that risky about Jjakji's build in game 1. Only threat would have been a roach/bane bust but he'd have had more than enough time to adjust. You go for a fast third and you would "have enough time to adjust" to a 2base roach allin? God your hate towards Stephano is getting more obnoxious by the day
MarineKing holds that all day long taking fast thirds. Stephano got raped. Accept it.
On April 05 2012 17:05 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:43 Fubi wrote:On April 05 2012 16:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 15:45 Fubi wrote:On April 05 2012 15:30 samurai80 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them. He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that. I don't know about you, but talking about him winning some Bo1's from 4-5months ago doesn't mean anything, considering how thing change so fast and people can go up and down so quickly. Just looking at Stephano's recent games, he hasn't won against any notable Korean players recently, except Polt, who has a winner record against him. Im guessing his idea of staying a top foreigner includes winning random smaller tournaments, not going to Korea, and just dodge all the good players he can't beat. Well, I don't really blame stephano. He probably feels that he has nothing to prove and the entirety of his career is to make as much money as possible before he switches to study medicine. Once he leaves this game the only thing that's going to matter in his life is how much money he made and all the things he can spend it on. What he's doing is finding the easiest way to make money even if that means dodging top players and playing in smaller tournaments because he feels that he has an advantage. Why play in a Korean league or tryout for one (GSL) if you can win more money in a couple of tournaments with a lower skill ceiling? It's less stress and easier earnings. Plus, Stephano's displayed on numberous occasions that he could careless about the communities opinions or expectations. Sure we want to see the "Foreigner Hope" fulfill that title but only he alone can decide if he wants to take on the task. But "to ze bank!" is his focus and "to ze bank!" is where all that money is going from dodging top players and winning smaller tournaments. Not saying I have a problem with what he does and decides with his life. Just saying people should stop hyping him as god or foreigner savior when all he's been doing is dodging good players and winning random tournaments without them. not like he stomped MKP to win ESWC in October... no excuse for his forfeit, still he's a great player.
Sup with six months ago? His record in 2012 vs Koreans is terrible.
vs Life 1-2 LOST
vs Jjakji 0-2 LOST
vs Inori 1-2 LOST
vs Polt 1-2 LOST
vs Polt 3-1 WON
vs Polt 2-1 WON
vs Polt 1-4 LOST
vs Puma 3-0 WON
vs MC 0-2 LOST
vs MarineKing 0-2 LOST
vs Sound 0-2 LOST
So that's 3 wins and 8 losses vs Korean players in Premier Tournaments in 2012.
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On April 05 2012 18:02 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 04:45 Zealot Orgy wrote:On April 05 2012 04:41 Asha` wrote:On April 05 2012 04:40 00Visor wrote:On April 05 2012 04:39 samurai80 wrote:
Stephano completely owned T_T well, jjakji did need 2 very risky builds to own him Stephanos scouting is to blame here Nothing really that risky about Jjakji's build in game 1. Only threat would have been a roach/bane bust but he'd have had more than enough time to adjust. You go for a fast third and you would "have enough time to adjust" to a 2base roach allin? God your hate towards Stephano is getting more obnoxious by the day MarineKing holds that all day long taking fast thirds. Stephano got raped. Accept it.
mma does the build on antiga alot, its just very easy to hold the third on the map
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On April 05 2012 15:45 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 15:30 samurai80 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them. He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that. I don't know about you, but talking about him winning some Bo1's from 4-5months ago doesn't mean anything, considering how thing change so fast and people can go up and down so quickly. Just looking at Stephano's recent games, he hasn't won against any notable Korean players recently, except Polt, who has a winner record against him. Im guessing his idea of staying a top foreigner includes winning random smaller tournaments, not going to Korea, and just dodge all the good players he can't beat.
wtf !? You don't have that many opportunities to play against code S koreans in big tournaments unless you play in Korea ! Considering this, the Blizzard Cup 4 months ago looks pretty recent to me.
On the contrary, if you look at the matches he played against all sorts of koreans in tournaments, there are not that many of them considered as HUGE korean players so talking about winrate is quite irrelevant here. If now you consider only "good" korean players like Polt (and I do think he deserves at least top code A), Stephano has played much more games and his win rate is not far from 50% (over 50% imo).
That's why I wished he would play more games by qualifying the pool in Iron Squid so he can face more code S class koreans. It's nonsense to say he's dodging them on purpose. Obviously it's just him being young and bm and was just retarded by making his opponent and Iron Squid staff wait for him. That's not cool I agree, I'm really disappointed by that. But it doesn't mean you can say whatever you want about him.
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On April 05 2012 18:02 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 04:45 Zealot Orgy wrote:On April 05 2012 04:41 Asha` wrote:On April 05 2012 04:40 00Visor wrote:On April 05 2012 04:39 samurai80 wrote:
Stephano completely owned T_T well, jjakji did need 2 very risky builds to own him Stephanos scouting is to blame here Nothing really that risky about Jjakji's build in game 1. Only threat would have been a roach/bane bust but he'd have had more than enough time to adjust. You go for a fast third and you would "have enough time to adjust" to a 2base roach allin? God your hate towards Stephano is getting more obnoxious by the day MarineKing holds that all day long taking fast thirds. Stephano got raped. Accept it. Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 17:05 LeLfe wrote:On April 05 2012 16:43 Fubi wrote:On April 05 2012 16:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 15:45 Fubi wrote:On April 05 2012 15:30 samurai80 wrote:On April 05 2012 06:27 sitromit wrote:
Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p Wait a min man, he played the Blizzard Cup, and unlike the other foreigners he did have some encouraging results by winning 2 games over 4 against the best of the best in Korea (W:Hero,DRG, L:Mvp,MC). It's not like he usually win every game against a top korean, but at least he had won some and hopefully will still have some good results against them. He was just completely owned against Jjakji, and got completely mad at that (not used to lose that much recently maybe), refusing to play the next game. I agree this is retarded, but it's not like he's doing that to avoid the best players. You can say whatever you want against him but no way you can say that. I don't know about you, but talking about him winning some Bo1's from 4-5months ago doesn't mean anything, considering how thing change so fast and people can go up and down so quickly. Just looking at Stephano's recent games, he hasn't won against any notable Korean players recently, except Polt, who has a winner record against him. Im guessing his idea of staying a top foreigner includes winning random smaller tournaments, not going to Korea, and just dodge all the good players he can't beat. Well, I don't really blame stephano. He probably feels that he has nothing to prove and the entirety of his career is to make as much money as possible before he switches to study medicine. Once he leaves this game the only thing that's going to matter in his life is how much money he made and all the things he can spend it on. What he's doing is finding the easiest way to make money even if that means dodging top players and playing in smaller tournaments because he feels that he has an advantage. Why play in a Korean league or tryout for one (GSL) if you can win more money in a couple of tournaments with a lower skill ceiling? It's less stress and easier earnings. Plus, Stephano's displayed on numberous occasions that he could careless about the communities opinions or expectations. Sure we want to see the "Foreigner Hope" fulfill that title but only he alone can decide if he wants to take on the task. But "to ze bank!" is his focus and "to ze bank!" is where all that money is going from dodging top players and winning smaller tournaments. Not saying I have a problem with what he does and decides with his life. Just saying people should stop hyping him as god or foreigner savior when all he's been doing is dodging good players and winning random tournaments without them. not like he stomped MKP to win ESWC in October... no excuse for his forfeit, still he's a great player. Sup with six months ago? His record in 2012 vs Koreans is terrible. vs Life 1-2 LOST vs Jjakji 0-2 LOST vs Inori 1-2 LOST vs Polt 1-2 LOST vs Polt 3-1 WON vs Polt 2-1 WON vs Polt 1-4 LOST vs Puma 3-0 WON vs MC 0-2 LOST vs MarineKing 0-2 LOST vs Sound 0-2 LOST So that's 3 wins and 8 losses vs Korean players in Premier Tournaments in 2012.
you sir are missing my whole point, I was contesting the "random tournaments won while dodging tough opponents" part
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