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On April 05 2012 05:26 TaKemE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:22 NipponBanzai wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Obviously not impossible but highly unlikely imo. I agree though, he should have at least tried. He wouldnt advance, it would be this map score: MMA 5-5 Life 6-5 Stephano 5-4 If map score comes first then MMA would be out and then head to head life beat Stephano so he would make it though.
Ya I know that. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have tried to beat MMA. Everyone else in the group tried their best to win their games. It makes it unfair to life that stephano didn't at least try to beat MMA.
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On April 05 2012 05:33 TaKemE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:29 xuanzue wrote:On April 05 2012 05:15 Nelz wrote:On April 05 2012 05:10 xuanzue wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Life 2-2 (6-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong so jkajki and life would advanced. Stephano only won against a 20 hours jetlagged korean. but being roflstomped against other koreans. I really don't see him doing a good performance at IPL4 If you mean Polt by the "20 hours jetlagged korean", he was in texas 3 or 4 days before Lone Star Clash. Gg Jjakji and MMA, Stephano wouldn't have a chance against MMA so the forfeit doesn't change anything on the final group result. polt arrived friday march 16 game was sunday march 18 20 hours of jetlag in 2 days is really relevant. 20 hours jetlagged? Never Heard of that before...cant happen lol.
yeah... that makes it 4 hours jet lag. 4 hours time difference is nothing.
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On April 05 2012 05:29 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:15 Nelz wrote:On April 05 2012 05:10 xuanzue wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Life 2-2 (6-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong so jkajki and life would advanced. Stephano only won against a 20 hours jetlagged korean. but being roflstomped against other koreans. I really don't see him doing a good performance at IPL4 If you mean Polt by the "20 hours jetlagged korean", he was in texas 3 or 4 days before Lone Star Clash. Gg Jjakji and MMA, Stephano wouldn't have a chance against MMA so the forfeit doesn't change anything on the final group result. https://twitter.com/#!/Polt88/status/180580159252996096polt arrived friday march 16 game was sunday march 18 20 hours of jetlag in 2 days is really relevant.
I regularly travel between the U.S. and China, and I'd say it really depends on how well you rest on the plane. I'd assume the players all travel on economy class so a good rest is impossible. It might take 3 or 5 days to fully recover.
And ofc it's different to different people.
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On April 05 2012 05:29 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:15 Nelz wrote:On April 05 2012 05:10 xuanzue wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Life 2-2 (6-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong so jkajki and life would advanced. Stephano only won against a 20 hours jetlagged korean. but being roflstomped against other koreans. I really don't see him doing a good performance at IPL4 If you mean Polt by the "20 hours jetlagged korean", he was in texas 3 or 4 days before Lone Star Clash. Gg Jjakji and MMA, Stephano wouldn't have a chance against MMA so the forfeit doesn't change anything on the final group result. https://twitter.com/#!/Polt88/status/180580159252996096polt arrived friday march 16 game was sunday march 18 20 hours of jetlag in 2 days is really relevant.
My bad, but 20 hours of flight is not 20 hours of jetlag, well, whatever !
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On April 05 2012 05:29 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:15 Nelz wrote:On April 05 2012 05:10 xuanzue wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Life 2-2 (6-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong so jkajki and life would advanced. Stephano only won against a 20 hours jetlagged korean. but being roflstomped against other koreans. I really don't see him doing a good performance at IPL4 If you mean Polt by the "20 hours jetlagged korean", he was in texas 3 or 4 days before Lone Star Clash. Gg Jjakji and MMA, Stephano wouldn't have a chance against MMA so the forfeit doesn't change anything on the final group result. https://twitter.com/#!/Polt88/status/180580159252996096polt arrived friday march 16 game was sunday march 18 20 hours of jetlag in 2 days is really relevant.
Well anyone who saw Stephano vs Polt previous matches (and there were quite many recently) would say their games were really close, so yes Stephano is able to beat good korean terrans, but not if he don't adapt to someone like Jjakji who himself adapted so well to Stephano play.
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Are there gonna be more games today?
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On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits.
lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario.
And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed.
However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity.
Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't.
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On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't.
Well even if admitting a player has the right to forfeit a game, the problem in the present case is that Stephano did not even forfeit. He didn't show up for the match, and after delaying the match too much, was finally disqualified = declared forfeit. If no real good reason, this is just really bm imo.
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Nvm, fell into a rerun ;p.
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On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't.
Ahh, yes. It's not as if he has a job as a progamer with sponsors who expect him to act with a teeny tiny bit of professionalism since... well y'know... they're his employers and all that.
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sorry, but if you accept an invitation to a tournament, you should fulfill your "duty" to play all games if possible.
Of course there is no law in place or some kind of contract in this case. That's why tournament organizers shouldn't invite players who forget games on a regular basis
It not that first time Stephano decided not to play a scheduled game.
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On April 05 2012 05:53 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't. Well even if admitting a player has the right to forfeit a game, the problem in the present case is that Stephano did not even forfeit. He didn't show up for the match, and after delaying the match too much, was finally disqualified = declared forfeit. If no real good reason, this is just really bm imo.
So he doesn't even have the balls to forfeit himself, instead he gave mma and the tournament organizers the runaround and finally decided not to show up for their scheduled match resulting in a default loss?
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On April 05 2012 06:01 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:53 samurai80 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't. Well even if admitting a player has the right to forfeit a game, the problem in the present case is that Stephano did not even forfeit. He didn't show up for the match, and after delaying the match too much, was finally disqualified = declared forfeit. If no real good reason, this is just really bm imo. So he doesn't even have the balls to forfeit himself, instead he gave mma and the tournament organizers the runaround and finally decided not to show up for their scheduled match resulting in a default loss?
yes.
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Stephano knows that he needs to avoid playing against good competition as much as he possibly can, to keep the hype train going so he can have a legion of fans and get 10K viewers when he streams. If he never plays against MMA, his fans can keep believing that had he played, he could have won.. People still believe he'll win IPL 4... Good luck with that. :p
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On April 05 2012 05:39 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:29 xuanzue wrote:On April 05 2012 05:15 Nelz wrote:On April 05 2012 05:10 xuanzue wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Life 2-2 (6-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong so jkajki and life would advanced. Stephano only won against a 20 hours jetlagged korean. but being roflstomped against other koreans. I really don't see him doing a good performance at IPL4 If you mean Polt by the "20 hours jetlagged korean", he was in texas 3 or 4 days before Lone Star Clash. Gg Jjakji and MMA, Stephano wouldn't have a chance against MMA so the forfeit doesn't change anything on the final group result. https://twitter.com/#!/Polt88/status/180580159252996096polt arrived friday march 16 game was sunday march 18 20 hours of jetlag in 2 days is really relevant. Well anyone who saw Stephano vs Polt previous matches (and there were quite many recently) would say their games were really close, so yes Stephano is able to beat good korean terrans, but not if he don't adapt to someone like Jjakji who himself adapted so well to Stephano play.
Polt got knocked out of Code A last season. Jjackji/MMA is a huge step up.
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wait so stephano forfieted against MMA because even if he won 2-0 he wouldn't have the map score to advance?
and since stephano forfieted against MMA then it solidified Life not being able to advance?
am i getting it right here?
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On April 05 2012 06:01 Xarles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't. Ahh, yes. It's not as if he has a job as a progamer with sponsors who expect him to act with a teeny tiny bit of professionalism since... well y'know... they're his employers and all that.
You completely looked passed point and went into some other shit. Anyway, show me where the sponsers specifically said they "expect" him to be professional and then I'll believe you. Last time I checked companies/individuals sponser a player because of their skill not professionalism. Look at Dragon, Gosi[Terran], Idra hell there's a ton of people who pull the same shit but still remain sponsered so you can throw the whole topic of professionalism out the window.
Also, after the whole Millenium/Complexity issue I suspect that Millenium already expects such behavior from Stephano as it has happened before even after this situation.
Millenium then went on to sign Dragon and we all know Dragons reputation. So, I'm sure Millenium is quite aware of this situation beforehand.
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On April 05 2012 06:47 SovSov wrote:
wait so stephano forfieted against MMA because even if he won 2-0 he wouldn't have the map score to advance?
and since stephano forfieted against MMA then it solidified Life not being able to advance?
am i getting it right here?
Life still had a shot if Jjakji lost to stephano, but yeah that's pretty much it.
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On April 05 2012 05:53 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 05:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:30 nihlon wrote:On April 05 2012 05:22 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:20 hifriend wrote:On April 05 2012 05:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 05:04 nam nam wrote:On April 05 2012 05:02 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 05 2012 04:56 habeck wrote:
So actually stephano would advanced, if he won against MMA 2-0
Stephano 2-2 (5-4)
MMA 2-2 (5-5)
Just tell me if i'm doing something wrong ..... I would have advanced if I was Jjakji. See what I did there? No I don't see. Explain. He had slim chance against MMA, a 2-0 would be basically impossible. His assumption is meaningless at best. Far from impossible, and what kind of a competitor has that mindset? Probably a competitor who forfeited his games? Well duh... That wasn't his point. It's unproffessional and if you have some pride in your sport and care for your fans you play the games anyway. And this isn't the first time Stephano have done this and it's not one of his better traits. lol stephano plays for himself only. It's a tournament, not a league where he's licensed/required to play. So, if he doesn't feel confident or obligated to continue playing then quite honestly...he shouldn't have to. If he was receiving money from attending the event then it would only be natural for him to continue regardless of how he feels but that's not the scenario. And as much as this community likes to talk about who raped who, how badly they were raped and how people love pointing out the statistics of a player, I'd much rather forfeit rather then be critized on how poor I performed or how much I was outclassed. However, Stephano did miss a critical opportunity to play, lose or win/learn the holes and mistakes in his builds and correct them thus making him a stronger player. I believe that the best time to play somebody is in a tournament type of event where your opponent has literally prepared for your style and is ready to exploit your builds. It's a great learning opportunity. Also, It's a fans choice to be a fan. A player "isn't" obligated to fullful a fans needs. So, stop trying to make it like it's his responsibility to do such when it clearly isn't. Well even if admitting a player has the right to forfeit a game, the problem in the present case is that Stephano did not even forfeit. He didn't show up for the match, and after delaying the match too much, was finally disqualified = declared forfeit. If no real good reason, this is just really bm imo.
Yes, I completely agree with what you said. What he did was clearly BM and I don't think such behavior should be tolerated. My original comment had to do with a player having the right to forfeit a game but this situation is downright distasteful and immaturity at it's finest. If Stephano didn't want to continue, he should have just forfeitted instead of putting on a scene.
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stephano 2;0 mma if he did show up? you guys must be dreaming
MMA ,Jjakji are by far the best TvZ er, with mvp falling behind mkp might be the 3rd
polt's tvz are ok but not great , because he doesn't put early pressure like others and that is also why his style are fun to watch.
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