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On March 09 2012 22:45 Rybaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. Did you watch the games vs MMA? Did you watch that bs on game 3? No wonder why Blizzard patched mules after such a stupid game. And even without that the games where alot closer, so please don't comment just on results since he's talking about gameplay.
Losing 3-1 in your best matchup vs another guys worst matchup will never ever be incredible no matter how you spin it.
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On March 09 2012 22:44 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:43 TaKemE wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. PvP is far from luck based and what top pro have said that..? Huk said it just yesterday... In addition Grubby said it on stream this tournament. Hasu said it in one of the interviews for this as well. and that's just in the last few days.
Ask any Korean and they'll tell you that Foreigner skill is nearly equal to Korean now-a-days. I think on any given day the top Foreigners have just as much chance to beat most of the top Koreans. Now, if you are talking about BO7 or 9's, that's probably a different story, but if our scene continues to improve, it's not so far-fetched that the best player in the world will be a Foreigner.
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On March 09 2012 22:43 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:40 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. Did you watch the games?? They were so close. anyway I have had enough of you bashing/negativity have a nice day sir just do it like I do, When you see Seraphone don't even bother reading the content 
Yeah I'm starting to realize that...
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On March 09 2012 22:46 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:44 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:43 TaKemE wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. PvP is far from luck based and what top pro have said that..? Huk said it just yesterday... In addition Grubby said it on stream this tournament. Hasu said it in one of the interviews for this as well. and that's just in the last few days. Ask any Korean and they'll tell you that Foreigner skill is nearly equal to Korean now-a-days. I think on any given day the top Foreigners have just as much chance to beat most of the top Koreans. Now, if you are talking about BO7 or 9's, that's probably a different story, but if our scene continues to improve, it's not so far-fetched that the best player in the world will be a Foreigner.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
and yet Koreans have won every premier tournament in the last five months.
Koreans have always said foreigners are equal in skill, they're just being polite rather than being insane BM on the foreign stream, in front of the foreign fans to the foreign casters.
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On March 09 2012 22:45 TaKemE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:44 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:43 TaKemE wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. PvP is far from luck based and what top pro have said that..? Huk said it just yesterday... In addition Grubby said it on stream this tournament. Hasu said it in one of the interviews for this as well. and that's just in the last few days. Sure and where were the "luck" in the games we just watched?
it's one of the more volatile matchups, but certainly not 100% random, we wouldn't have players who excel at pvp... don't listen to huk cuz he wrote that out of frustration and don't listen to those who say it's 100% skill based cuz neither of those is true
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Wow, CS has got almost as much viewers as SC2. Was a very long time ago that happend.
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On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad.
How is it in favour of the foreigner? Did anyone say anything negative about a Korean in it? And do you really not think that an up and coming kid who was largely unknown at the time can play really really well against one of the best, if not the best, player in the world and still lose?
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haha yeh unless you win EVERY game you are considered bad by some people on this board.. yeh Stepahno can beat 3-4 koreans but the second he loses to Polt in the final shows the hype is overrated.. what? haha. How about well done Stephano for getting to the final and losing to a superier player who has won a GSL and domainates other Koreans?
Also yeh Seraphone is always negative, people support the Foreigners not because they are blind biased they just want the foreigners to do well!! As most games the Foreigners play like they are scared of the koreans and dont do anything cheesy and its nice when someone like Feast plays the total opposite and plays aggresive.
I hope feast beats MC even if I know the posts will be Only PVP blah blah or luck based as it doesnt matter who gets to the final MMA is going to win it
Be great if he won without dorpping a map!
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On March 09 2012 22:41 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:37 Logros wrote:On March 09 2012 22:35 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:32 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:30 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:On March 09 2012 22:29 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:24 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:24 StarVe wrote:On March 09 2012 22:22 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:21 DOUDOU wrote:
so exactly who didn't believe me when i said a week ago that feast would go very far? He was extremely fortunate that DRG pulled out. Yeah, the only match he lost in his group stage was to DRG's replacement Darkforce, that totally made the difference here. DRG would have won his group. God Seraphone. Everytime a foreign player do well you get on TL and bring them down with you endless negativity. Why are you doing this ?? Would you rather have DRG come to this to lose to MMA or stay in Korea and win GSTL for MVP? It´s not my point. But look at all the thread in this IEM and you can see Seraphone and his endless negativity every time a foriegner does well. I simply dont understand Everyone else blindly supports foreigners, completely downplays/ignores Koreans despite them being clearly better and celebrates every foreign win even if it's one guy donating 2 Immortals for free and losing a PvP like they just witnessed Bisu vs Savior a second time around. Pretty sure I'm allowed to cheer for Koreans especially as I'm no more obnoxious about it than countless people are for foreigners. There's a difference between cheering for Koreans and shitting on every foreigner that manages to do well. Loads of posters shit on every Korean and write things like: "So outclassed" "Outplayed" "Dominated" when a guy wins a PvP vs a Korean nevermind if they actually win a real matchup, hell they don't even need to win a series, just one game in a best of x will do. And how often do people say a foreign player outplayed the Korean every way and yet the Korean wins?
Please go away. You are baiting people to oppose you and that's just obnoxious. We get it, you have your rights and blah blah blah. Stop ruining the mood for everyone else. Is that hard to understand ?
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On March 09 2012 22:48 Purple Haze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. How is it in favour of the foreigner? Did anyone say anything negative about a Korean in it? And do you really not think that an up and coming kid who was largely unknown at the time can play really really well against one of the best, if not the best, player in the world and still lose?
Just ignore him. Every foreigner is completely crap and can't play for shit and there's only actually Koreans playing this game.
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On March 09 2012 22:46 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:44 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:43 TaKemE wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. PvP is far from luck based and what top pro have said that..? Huk said it just yesterday... In addition Grubby said it on stream this tournament. Hasu said it in one of the interviews for this as well. and that's just in the last few days. Ask any Korean and they'll tell you that Foreigner skill is nearly equal to Korean now-a-days. I think on any given day the top Foreigners have just as much chance to beat most of the top Koreans. Now, if you are talking about BO7 or 9's, that's probably a different story, but if our scene continues to improve, it's not so far-fetched that the best player in the world will be a Foreigner.
To be honest, most koreans that say that are just overly polite. Listen to anyone's interviews besides MC, they are the most politically correct answers ever.
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first semi startet mma vs puma
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On March 09 2012 22:48 Jiddra wrote:
Wow, CS has got almost as much viewers as SC2. Was a very long time ago that happend.
I believe they have more:
Rod Breslau @Slasher
More impressive than the 125k viewers watching LoL, is the 30k viewers watching CS 1.6 in English and Russian. That's more than SC2. #IEM
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On March 09 2012 22:47 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:46 Wegandi wrote:On March 09 2012 22:44 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:43 TaKemE wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. PvP is far from luck based and what top pro have said that..? Huk said it just yesterday... In addition Grubby said it on stream this tournament. Hasu said it in one of the interviews for this as well. and that's just in the last few days. Ask any Korean and they'll tell you that Foreigner skill is nearly equal to Korean now-a-days. I think on any given day the top Foreigners have just as much chance to beat most of the top Koreans. Now, if you are talking about BO7 or 9's, that's probably a different story, but if our scene continues to improve, it's not so far-fetched that the best player in the world will be a Foreigner. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournamentsand yet Koreans have won every premier tournament in the last five months. Koreans have always said foreigners are equal in skill, they're just being polite rather than being insane BM on the foreign stream, in front of the foreign fans to the foreign casters.
Also quite a bit of foreigners in those 2nd place spots, Sure Korea is dominate but they have the best training system in the world for sc2 right now.
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On March 09 2012 22:46 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:45 Rybaia wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. Did you watch the games vs MMA? Did you watch that bs on game 3? No wonder why Blizzard patched mules after such a stupid game. And even without that the games where alot closer, so please don't comment just on results since he's talking about gameplay. Losing 3-1 in your best matchup vs another guys worst matchup will never ever be incredible no matter how you spin it.
What an idiotic thing to say. MMA's worst MU is still world-class. Some argue that Oz is one of the best Protoss in the world, and MMA in his last 3 series beat him 2-1. Not to mention W-L doesn't tell the whole story. Polt beating Stephano 4-1 would say the series was one-sided, but if you watched the games Stephano had a large lead in nearly all of the games, and threw away so many games that series. It's not like the games are a one-sided domination stomp fest. Honestly, you are simply a Korean toe-sucker.
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This one particular poster is getting far too much attention and ruining this thread!!
Can't wait for an awesome TvT here, hopefully PuMa makes it a contest.
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On March 09 2012 22:48 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 22:45 TaKemE wrote:On March 09 2012 22:44 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:43 TaKemE wrote:On March 09 2012 22:39 Seraphone wrote:On March 09 2012 22:37 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 09 2012 22:34 MorroW wrote:On March 09 2012 22:33 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Where would foreigners be without PvP... haha kinda true. remove pvp and stephano and theres not much hope left xD Morrow Feast did beat Supernova and played incredible vs MMA last IEM so not exactly true. See this is exact kind of post. Losing 3-1 in MMA's worst match up is incredible? How insanely blind in favour of the foreigner is this post? and yet if I dare to suggest PvP is luck based (something which every pro player comfirms over and over) people get mad. PvP is far from luck based and what top pro have said that..? Huk said it just yesterday... In addition Grubby said it on stream this tournament. Hasu said it in one of the interviews for this as well. and that's just in the last few days. Sure and where were the "luck" in the games we just watched? it's one of the more volatile matchups, but certainly not 100% random, we wouldn't have players who excel at pvp... don't listen to huk cuz he wrote that out of frustration and don't listen to those who say it's 100% skill based cuz neither of those is true
The Game Feast lost where he got caught in the middle of the map was pure luck for Killer for one.
You also forget that players don't have map hacks, most of their decisions are done extremely blind in PvP with regards to tech and probe production.
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the jacket is on. Puma can't win.
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On March 09 2012 22:48 Jiddra wrote:
Wow, CS has got almost as much viewers as SC2. Was a very long time ago that happend.
well. that's not true
feast-killer peaked at 30k and was 'only' and pvp quarterfinals with not the most hyped/known players
ESC/SK is the cs 1.6 semis and many regret that it's not the grandfinals and have 21k
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I wouldn't be able to move in such bubble jacket. Damn I hate that.
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