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jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
February 16 2012 11:40 GMT
#2021
On February 16 2012 20:31 red4ce wrote:
I just don't understand how Genius became so good. For the entirety of 2011 Genius was just a generic above average protoss no different from tester or sangho. He started to differentiate his play late in the year with funky carrier builds but at no point could you have ever said that this guy was a threat to go far in code S. Now suddenly he's become a beast with no explanation?



well do the math , who is genius best friend? DRG. They probably practice a shitload together and have elevated eachothers play to very very high levels thus resulting in what we are seeing now. Complete rape from the both of them.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 16 2012 11:40 GMT
#2022
On February 16 2012 20:39 KillAudio wrote:
DRG and Genius is the new MVP, Nestea


After one tournament? How long have you followed the scene?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18475 Posts
February 16 2012 11:41 GMT
#2023
On February 16 2012 20:31 Titusmaster6 wrote:
So happy DRG is still in this, I hope he wins it all!

No. The finals has to be Genius vs. DRG and Genius rocks him. Kongs can't be kings. Sorry!
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
February 16 2012 11:41 GMT
#2024
On February 16 2012 20:31 red4ce wrote:
I just don't understand how Genius became so good. For the entirety of 2011 Genius was just a generic above average protoss no different from tester or sangho. He started to differentiate his play late in the year with funky carrier builds but at no point could you have ever said that this guy was a threat to go far in code S. Now suddenly he's become a beast with no explanation?

They're doing something right in the MVP house. DRG and Genius are better than they've ever been, players like Sniper are improving, Finale has become a team league mainstay, sC is getting back to form. Keen's performance is a bit disappointing (he did demolish SlayerS but I expected him to do well in the GSL) and the non-DRG Zergs still have a way to go, but they seem to have a good setup there.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 11:44:56
February 16 2012 11:42 GMT
#2025
On February 16 2012 20:31 red4ce wrote:
I just don't understand how Genius became so good. For the entirety of 2011 Genius was just a generic above average protoss no different from tester or sangho. He started to differentiate his play late in the year with funky carrier builds but at no point could you have ever said that this guy was a threat to go far in code S. Now suddenly he's become a beast with no explanation?

I think that genius took a look at dongraegu's success and realized how much he fell behind last year and is now determined to reverse it. Also falling to code A might have been a massive wake up call for genius I think he said in an interview that he became too complacent in code S and didn't work as hard.
Glorious SEA doto
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 11:46:15
February 16 2012 11:43 GMT
#2026
On February 16 2012 20:32 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 20:29 tdt wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:20 mordk wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:18 Inflicted_ wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:16 mordk wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:14 Fionn wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:11 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:10 Barkziee wrote:
It just sucks when the best toss in the world can't take a game.


Parting is definitely not the best Protoss in the world. Both MC and Genius are better than him, and Oz is pretty close too.


MC, ehhhhhhh.

But right now, no question, after today's games, Genius is the best Protoss playing at the moment. He's now proven himself against the top PvP player, MC, top ZvP players, DRG/Nestea and top TvP players, sC and MarineKing. I really like Parting, but damn did he tilt after the first game. After the second game, he literally cried, so there was no coming back for him.

I'm actually happy with any final that isn't Alive vs. Gumiho, so that's probably gonna be what happens.

MC is not the top PvP player, why do people keep saying this? It's been his worst matchup for months. When he was good at PvP he would have crushed JYP 3-0 in HSC without giving him a chance.

MC is still probably the best protoss. Genius needs to prove himself for a longer period of time. He's the best protoss in this GSL though.


You don't know that until they play. In his prime (I'm assuming you mean 1st half of 2011) be was 2-0d by Alicia and Ace. Who knows if he played JYP. I learned never predict PvP unless it's a very low foreigner vs Korean.

MC is pretty solid in all three matchups, which is why he gets far and is labelled the best Protoss. It's similar to Mvp's situation, there's a few players out there who have shown higher capabilities in some aspects when on form, but no-one has ever beaten the consistency of Mvp.

I agree MC is the best protoss in the world, but his PvP has been shaky for months now. Whenever I see MC play, the matchup I fear the most is PvP, because in it, MC is actually like in the stone age in regards to builds. He only gets wins because of his superior execution, but in PvP build orders are way more important, which means that since he's behind in the metagame, not even his execution can save him in many situations


Except when he out Build Ordered one of the best PvPers in the world at HSC. Shits random/luck as hell.

Pft... in his prime MC would have 3-0d JYP with ease

You don't realize MC was as good at PvP as NesTea was at ZvZ, then he stayed behind.



You don't know that until they play. In his prime (I'm assuming you mean 1st half of 2011) he was 2-0d by Alicia and Ace. Who knows if he played JYP. I learned never predict PvP unless it's a very low foreigner vs Korean where micro can win no matter what.
MC for president
pretensile
Profile Joined August 2010
135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 11:45:34
February 16 2012 11:43 GMT
#2027
On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again


aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone.


Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL4 qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
February 16 2012 11:45 GMT
#2028
On February 16 2012 20:31 red4ce wrote:
I just don't understand how Genius became so good. For the entirety of 2011 Genius was just a generic above average protoss no different from tester or sangho. He started to differentiate his play late in the year with funky carrier builds but at no point could you have ever said that this guy was a threat to go far in code S. Now suddenly he's become a beast with no explanation?

I'm not sure either, but I''m just enjoying the ride. I guess just motivation and having sick good practice partners is enough, I just wonder what really unlocked his play from average to awesome so quickly.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
February 16 2012 11:46 GMT
#2029
On February 16 2012 20:43 pretensile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again


aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone.


Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned.


Unless he has leveled up his TvZ several times I don't see him taking a single game off DRG.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 16 2012 11:48 GMT
#2030
On February 16 2012 20:46 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 20:43 pretensile wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again


aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone.


Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned.


Unless he has leveled up his TvZ several times I don't see him taking a single game off DRG.


but he 4-0d Idra!
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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
February 16 2012 11:50 GMT
#2031
On February 16 2012 20:48 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 20:46 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:43 pretensile wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again


aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone.


Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned.


Unless he has leveled up his TvZ several times I don't see him taking a single game off DRG.


but he 4-0d Idra!


DRG did 4-0 MKP at FXO invitational.=D
Play your best
bubl100500
Profile Joined March 2011
Ukraine538 Posts
February 16 2012 11:50 GMT
#2032
People were bitching so hard about protoss, and after all the only protoss in semifinals advanced through PvP.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 16 2012 11:51 GMT
#2033
TvZ finals, you heard it here first.
Hey! How you doin'?
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
February 16 2012 11:52 GMT
#2034
On February 16 2012 20:48 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 20:46 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:43 pretensile wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:
On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again


aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone.


Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned.


Unless he has leveled up his TvZ several times I don't see him taking a single game off DRG.


but he 4-0d Idra!



lol

It's not too hard to do! You just have to win the first two games in convincing / cheesing fashion and then the last two games takes care of themselves ;>
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
ikh
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom251 Posts
February 16 2012 11:52 GMT
#2035
i'm just going to revenge vote for alive and gumiho after going 0-4 in the ro8 liquibets. since there'll be a whole three people who vote gumiho and twelve who think alive will win, i might catch up a little bit!
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 16 2012 11:53 GMT
#2036
On February 16 2012 20:10 Barkziee wrote:
It just sucks when the best toss in the world can't take a game.


Uh? He beat MC 3 - 0 .
jammedk
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark315 Posts
February 16 2012 11:54 GMT
#2037
On February 16 2012 20:50 bubl100500 wrote:
People were bitching so hard about protoss, and after all the only protoss in semifinals advanced through PvP.


This GSL has been really weird, Protoss wise.

Protoss UP, Protoss OP, Protoss UP.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 11:55:52
February 16 2012 11:54 GMT
#2038
On February 16 2012 20:50 bubl100500 wrote:
People were bitching so hard about protoss, and after all the only protoss in semifinals advanced through PvP.

People base a lot on one series/one tounament. Nothing new here. Elementary schools should teach statistics would save about 3/4 of whine and next great hype posts.
MC for president
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 16 2012 11:58 GMT
#2039
Well, it is to ro4. I think it is anyone's title at this point. DRG is probably the favorite but not overwhelmingly so. Both Genius and aLive have beaten him recently
Vita`
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden55 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 12:00:03
February 16 2012 11:58 GMT
#2040
Is it only me or is aLive a good combination of both MMA and MVP? Mech near godlike, around MVPs level and then beating MMA at his own game doing some really great early harassments with great execution and preparation just what MMA has been doing to MVP lately.

I really think aLive can be a fearsome opponent following 2012 as a whole. Especially since he has learned much from last year terran kings, aka MMA and MVP.

I might be really wrong though, I've just been lurking around TL since summer and have yet to even play more than 50 starcraft 2 games in my whole life. Just my thoughts as a spectator.
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