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On February 16 2012 20:31 red4ce wrote:
I just don't understand how Genius became so good. For the entirety of 2011 Genius was just a generic above average protoss no different from tester or sangho. He started to differentiate his play late in the year with funky carrier builds but at no point could you have ever said that this guy was a threat to go far in code S. Now suddenly he's become a beast with no explanation?
well do the math  , who is genius best friend? DRG. They probably practice a shitload together and have elevated eachothers play to very very high levels thus resulting in what we are seeing now. Complete rape from the both of them.
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On February 16 2012 20:39 KillAudio wrote:
DRG and Genius is the new MVP, Nestea
After one tournament? How long have you followed the scene?
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On February 16 2012 20:31 Titusmaster6 wrote:
So happy DRG is still in this, I hope he wins it all!
No. The finals has to be Genius vs. DRG and Genius rocks him. Kongs can't be kings. Sorry!
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On February 16 2012 20:31 red4ce wrote:
I just don't understand how Genius became so good. For the entirety of 2011 Genius was just a generic above average protoss no different from tester or sangho. He started to differentiate his play late in the year with funky carrier builds but at no point could you have ever said that this guy was a threat to go far in code S. Now suddenly he's become a beast with no explanation?
They're doing something right in the MVP house. DRG and Genius are better than they've ever been, players like Sniper are improving, Finale has become a team league mainstay, sC is getting back to form. Keen's performance is a bit disappointing (he did demolish SlayerS but I expected him to do well in the GSL) and the non-DRG Zergs still have a way to go, but they seem to have a good setup there.
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On February 16 2012 20:31 red4ce wrote:
I just don't understand how Genius became so good. For the entirety of 2011 Genius was just a generic above average protoss no different from tester or sangho. He started to differentiate his play late in the year with funky carrier builds but at no point could you have ever said that this guy was a threat to go far in code S. Now suddenly he's become a beast with no explanation?
I think that genius took a look at dongraegu's success and realized how much he fell behind last year and is now determined to reverse it. Also falling to code A might have been a massive wake up call for genius I think he said in an interview that he became too complacent in code S and didn't work as hard.
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On February 16 2012 20:32 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 20:29 tdt wrote:On February 16 2012 20:20 mordk wrote:On February 16 2012 20:18 Inflicted_ wrote:On February 16 2012 20:16 mordk wrote:On February 16 2012 20:14 Fionn wrote:On February 16 2012 20:11 SeaSwift wrote:On February 16 2012 20:10 Barkziee wrote:
It just sucks when the best toss in the world can't take a game. Parting is definitely not the best Protoss in the world. Both MC and Genius are better than him, and Oz is pretty close too. MC, ehhhhhhh. But right now, no question, after today's games, Genius is the best Protoss playing at the moment. He's now proven himself against the top PvP player, MC, top ZvP players, DRG/Nestea and top TvP players, sC and MarineKing. I really like Parting, but damn did he tilt after the first game. After the second game, he literally cried, so there was no coming back for him. I'm actually happy with any final that isn't Alive vs. Gumiho, so that's probably gonna be what happens. MC is not the top PvP player, why do people keep saying this? It's been his worst matchup for months. When he was good at PvP he would have crushed JYP 3-0 in HSC without giving him a chance. MC is still probably the best protoss. Genius needs to prove himself for a longer period of time. He's the best protoss in this GSL though. You don't know that until they play. In his prime (I'm assuming you mean 1st half of 2011) be was 2-0d by Alicia and Ace. Who knows if he played JYP. I learned never predict PvP unless it's a very low foreigner vs Korean. MC is pretty solid in all three matchups, which is why he gets far and is labelled the best Protoss. It's similar to Mvp's situation, there's a few players out there who have shown higher capabilities in some aspects when on form, but no-one has ever beaten the consistency of Mvp. I agree MC is the best protoss in the world, but his PvP has been shaky for months now. Whenever I see MC play, the matchup I fear the most is PvP, because in it, MC is actually like in the stone age in regards to builds. He only gets wins because of his superior execution, but in PvP build orders are way more important, which means that since he's behind in the metagame, not even his execution can save him in many situations Except when he out Build Ordered one of the best PvPers in the world at HSC. Shits random/luck as hell. Pft... in his prime MC would have 3-0d JYP with ease You don't realize MC was as good at PvP as NesTea was at ZvZ, then he stayed behind.
You don't know that until they play. In his prime (I'm assuming you mean 1st half of 2011) he was 2-0d by Alicia and Ace. Who knows if he played JYP. I learned never predict PvP unless it's a very low foreigner vs Korean where micro can win no matter what.
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On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone.
Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL4 qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned.
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On February 16 2012 20:31 red4ce wrote:
I just don't understand how Genius became so good. For the entirety of 2011 Genius was just a generic above average protoss no different from tester or sangho. He started to differentiate his play late in the year with funky carrier builds but at no point could you have ever said that this guy was a threat to go far in code S. Now suddenly he's become a beast with no explanation?
I'm not sure either, but I''m just enjoying the ride. I guess just motivation and having sick good practice partners is enough, I just wonder what really unlocked his play from average to awesome so quickly.
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On February 16 2012 20:43 pretensile wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone. Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned.
Unless he has leveled up his TvZ several times I don't see him taking a single game off DRG.
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On February 16 2012 20:46 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 20:43 pretensile wrote:On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone. Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned. Unless he has leveled up his TvZ several times I don't see him taking a single game off DRG.
but he 4-0d Idra!
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On February 16 2012 20:48 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 20:46 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On February 16 2012 20:43 pretensile wrote:On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone. Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned. Unless he has leveled up his TvZ several times I don't see him taking a single game off DRG. but he 4-0d Idra!
DRG did 4-0 MKP at FXO invitational.=D
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People were bitching so hard about protoss, and after all the only protoss in semifinals advanced through PvP.
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TvZ finals, you heard it here first.
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On February 16 2012 20:48 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 20:46 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On February 16 2012 20:43 pretensile wrote:On February 16 2012 20:33 GodOfWar wrote:On February 16 2012 20:12 mordk wrote:
DRG got this GSL easily, unless aLive pulls massive upsets again aLive just beat DRG 2-1 in IPL last week, wouldnt be surprised if he takes the season. MMA prolly was the hardest opponent out of anyone. Agreed, people are grossly underestimating Alive. He's coming off wins in the aforementioned IPL qualifiers ( http://playhem.com/tourney/15322 ), where he beat Life, Crank, DRG, Naniwa, and Puma, and the ESV Korean Weekly S2 #2 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_2/Weekly_2 ), where he beat Seal, Ryung, and Taeja. He's 7-1 in his last eight GSL games (dropping that one game to MMA), and 13-3 in Korean matches since the end of January ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1988&part=games&league=standard ). People might pooh-pooh his online event results, but clearly his match preparation is superb from his dismantling of MMA -- his builds were excellent and his scouting of the proxy factory in game 2 was obviously planned. Unless he has leveled up his TvZ several times I don't see him taking a single game off DRG. but he 4-0d Idra!
lol 
It's not too hard to do! You just have to win the first two games in convincing / cheesing fashion and then the last two games takes care of themselves ;>
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i'm just going to revenge vote for alive and gumiho after going 0-4 in the ro8 liquibets. since there'll be a whole three people who vote gumiho and twelve who think alive will win, i might catch up a little bit!
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On February 16 2012 20:10 Barkziee wrote:
It just sucks when the best toss in the world can't take a game.
Uh? He beat MC 3 - 0 .
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On February 16 2012 20:50 bubl100500 wrote:
People were bitching so hard about protoss, and after all the only protoss in semifinals advanced through PvP.
This GSL has been really weird, Protoss wise.
Protoss UP, Protoss OP, Protoss UP.
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On February 16 2012 20:50 bubl100500 wrote:
People were bitching so hard about protoss, and after all the only protoss in semifinals advanced through PvP.
People base a lot on one series/one tounament. Nothing new here. Elementary schools should teach statistics would save about 3/4 of whine and next great hype posts.
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Well, it is to ro4. I think it is anyone's title at this point. DRG is probably the favorite but not overwhelmingly so. Both Genius and aLive have beaten him recently
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Is it only me or is aLive a good combination of both MMA and MVP? Mech near godlike, around MVPs level and then beating MMA at his own game doing some really great early harassments with great execution and preparation just what MMA has been doing to MVP lately.
I really think aLive can be a fearsome opponent following 2012 as a whole. Especially since he has learned much from last year terran kings, aka MMA and MVP.
I might be really wrong though, I've just been lurking around TL since summer and have yet to even play more than 50 starcraft 2 games in my whole life. Just my thoughts as a spectator.
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EPT
