i kept saying genius was gosu like gsl season 1-3 and ppl laughed at me... probably because their TLPD didn't show him in the top 5.
it wasn't long ago that people were calling MC terrible as well... you don't go from being the best player in the world to being garbage over night. maybe you have a dip in form because you're psychologically unfit etc but you're still an epic player.
what i'm trying to say is that most ppl are hypocritical and fickle fools "omg MVP won that means hes the best player in the world and anyone who didn't make the ro8 is completely awful". then mvp falls out of the ro16, "omg mvp is awful, all the other terrans just got better than him overnight" or if nestea doesn't make the ro8 then it clearly means that zerg is underpowered (i call this DRG selective-blindness).
the players are not freakin robots, mental fitness is probably the most important tournament attribute.
On February 01 2012 11:27 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
On February 16 2012 20:58 Vita` wrote: Is it only me or is aLive a good combination of both MMA and MVP? Mech near godlike, around MVPs level and then beating MMA at his own game doing some really great early harassments with great execution and preparation just what MMA has been doing to MVP lately.
I really think aLive can be a fearsome opponent following 2012 as a whole. Especially since he has learned much from last years terran kings, aka MMA and MVP.
I might be really wrong though, I've just been lurking around TL since summer and have yet to even play more than 50 starcraft 2 games in my whole life. Just my thoughts as a spectator.
aLive has always been a very solid who does everything well, but wasn't particularly stylistic, in a sense, you never knew what he was good for, just that he was good. He was also very inconsistent.
He has improved a lot though in terms of his consistency and has really kicked it up a notch in terms of performances. I don't know how he went completely under my radar (perhaps the uncharacteristically poor performances outside of the GSTL and at foreigner events) but now that I look back, he looked really good in GSL 3 against Zenio. I thought he could definitely be the next good Terran.
I fully agree on that part that he has always been very solid. And in a sense that you described its been hard to put his style down on paper, but as of late Im really seeing the MMA and MVPs faces all over my screen when he plays his matches. Good early game sense, where I really get MMA vibes but at the later stages of the game he does a transition to mech and all of MMAs charactertraits are gone within seconds only to look as dominiating as MVP with that mechplay of his.
Having these traits of these players just makes me think that he really has been doing some great job on analyzing these two top players. But I'm worried about how much of their TvP weakness he carries within himself. I hope he can put up a good fight against Genius, well he's forced to if he want to win.
Because, in a sense, if his TvP is a great as his TvT and TvZ (which we really can assume that it can be in my opinion due to him being a really solid player stylewise as you mentioned) he really can be a fearsome monster that has the potential to overcome both MMA and MVP as a whole MU-wise since they both only showed extreme top-play against Protoss and Zerg. Especially the Slayer terran is struggling really hard against the race of Protoss.
On February 16 2012 21:39 shizna wrote: i kept saying genius was gosu like gsl season 1-3 and ppl laughed at me... probably because their TLPD didn't show him in the top 5.
Uh, around that time Genius was without a doubt considered one of the best Protosses in the world, he didn't do nearly as well in 2011 but seems to have improved a lot recently .
On February 16 2012 21:39 shizna wrote: i kept saying genius was gosu like gsl season 1-3 and ppl laughed at me... probably because their TLPD didn't show him in the top 5.
it wasn't long ago that people were calling MC terrible as well... you don't go from being the best player in the world to being garbage over night. maybe you have a dip in form because you're psychologically unfit etc but you're still an epic player.
what i'm trying to say is that most ppl are hypocritical and fickle fools "omg MVP won that means hes the best player in the world and anyone who didn't make the ro8 is completely awful". then mvp falls out of the ro16, "omg mvp is awful, all the other terrans just got better than him overnight" or if nestea doesn't make the ro8 then it clearly means that zerg is underpowered (i call this DRG selective-blindness).
the players are not freakin robots, mental fitness is probably the most important tournament attribute.
Well, to be fair Genius had like next to no real results since his blizzcon win. He wasn't awful or anything, but wasn't particularly noticeable either. Someone who wouldn't be missed. Now all of a sudden, after roughly a year Genius looks like a top contender for the aiur throne again.
I do agree that this community is incredibly fickle though. I particularly don't like the when people say, "___ has been figured out". Makes it seem like the player is gimmicky, past accomplishments mean less, and the player generally just isn't that solid. People said this for MC when he was slumping and fell out of the gsl, then he turns around next season and gets right back into code S and while not dominating, has continued to do well.
Or take DRG as another example, he barely managed to get into code S initially and then got smacked around for awhile. His absurd gstl record? "ololol team league means nothing" all of a sudden. His crazy muta control? "figured out". Where did DRG rank in the polls to take the blizzard cup? Dead last, even below "other". Now, everyone is sucking his cock and calling him the best zerg. -_-
I won't be surprised if MVP, Nestea, and/or MC quickly make a resurgence and destroy everyone again.
On February 16 2012 20:58 Vita` wrote: Is it only me or is aLive a good combination of both MMA and MVP? Mech near godlike, around MVPs level and then beating MMA at his own game doing some really great early harassments with great execution and preparation just what MMA has been doing to MVP lately.
I really think aLive can be a fearsome opponent following 2012 as a whole. Especially since he has learned much from last years terran kings, aka MMA and MVP.
I might be really wrong though, I've just been lurking around TL since summer and have yet to even play more than 50 starcraft 2 games in my whole life. Just my thoughts as a spectator.
aLive has always been a very solid who does everything well, but wasn't particularly stylistic, in a sense, you never knew what he was good for, just that he was good. He was also very inconsistent.
He has improved a lot though in terms of his consistency and has really kicked it up a notch in terms of performances. I don't know how he went completely under my radar (perhaps the uncharacteristically poor performances outside of the GSTL and at foreigner events) but now that I look back, he looked really good in GSL 3 against Zenio. I thought he could definitely be the next good Terran.
I fully agree on that part that he has always been very solid. And in a sense that you described its been hard to put his style down on paper, but as of late Im really seeing the MMA and MVPs faces all over my screen when he plays his matches. Good early game sense, where I really get MMA vibes but at the later stages of the game he does a transition to mech and all of MMAs charactertraits are gone within seconds only to look as dominiating as MVP with that mechplay of his.
Having these traits of these players just makes me think that he really has been doing some great job on analyzing these two top players. But I'm worried about how much of their TvP weakness he carries within himself. I hope he can put up a good fight against Genius, well he's forced to if he want to win.
Because, in a sense, if his TvP is a great as his TvT and TvZ (which we really can assume that it can be in my opinion due to him being a really solid player stylewise as you mentioned) he really can be a fearsome monster that has the potential to overcome both MMA and MVP as a whole MU-wise since they both only showed extreme top-play against Protoss and Zerg. Especially the Slayer terran is struggling really hard against the race of Protoss.
lol, aLive the "Mutant" Terran?
best of both worlds, MMA and MVP :D
Really would like to see him win this GSL, good for fnatic to boost their whole roster with a Champion in the Lineup.
Hopefully motivates Moon enough to become a future GSL Powerhouse as well.
So now that we know DRG is going to be playing Gumiho in the Ro4 in one week, will it be a problem for him to make it to Winter Arena for the start of competition the following day?
On February 16 2012 22:25 KgKris wrote: So now that we know DRG is going to be playing Gumiho in the Ro4 in one week, will it be a problem for him to make it to Winter Arena for the start of competition the following day?
If DRG can't go the 2000 viewers of the Arena are going to be really mad
I remember when aLive lost in the round of 16 of the NASL1 finals and everyone said: "wow, he's so terrible for a Korean" and it also seemed like Puma was by far the more talented TSL member. Now Puma has no chance in the GSL and people hype aLive as possibly the most in-form player of the moment. He does seem very good, but I wonder if he just improved a lot or if it has to do with nerves. He has been around for ages too, in the GSL open seasons already. Does anyone know his progaming background actually? Was he a b-teamer, practice partner etc.?
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