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[GSL] 2012 Season 1 Code S "The Deserving 8" Day 2 - Page…
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On February 16 2012 23:04 0ne wrote: Nope, i've been saying that MC shouldn't be winning this much for a long time And it was pretty obvious that he was worse than DRG and Alive at least LOL, yeah pretty obvious to haters apparently. Posting subjective opinions as if they were gospel truth. I know your type, whenever MC wins, you people cry "cheese, luck, all inning noob etc.", when he loses - "yeah he sucks, I've been saying it all along.". | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 16 2012 23:39 vthree wrote: Remember the GSL November? I am pretty sure everyone expected MVP to win or Leenock after his Providence run or OZ after he took out MMA. Then Jjajki ended up winning. I think once you get this far, the skill margin is so slim. It will depend on BO, not making big mistakes and general condition. DRG is the favorite but maybe something like 30% chance. Nothing overwhelming. Agreed. I'm gonna go with Gumiho to win, because nobody expects it. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
 MC isn't in the top 4 players of the world, let alone the top protoss player. getting wrecked in your best matchup by one of the two overall strong protoss players in the world. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On February 16 2012 23:49 PrinceXizor wrote: mmmmmmmm love it when undeserving protoss players lose in embarrassing fashion. MC you made my day. MC isn't in the top 4 players of the world, let alone the top protoss player. getting wrecked in your best matchup by one of the two overall strong protoss players in the world. well you know thats bullshit www.sc2earnings.com MC is still the number 1 successful Toss, and Genius might very likely go down next round. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 16 2012 23:55 GodOfWar wrote: well you know thats bullshit www.sc2earnings.com MC is still the number 1 successful Toss, and Genius might very likely go down next round. congrats, he won an Open season, that automatically will put him near the top of the earnings. he's still no where near the top nowadays when it matters. I put MC as the 5th best protoss Genius Creator Parting Treme MC MC is super overrated though. Treme is only there by taking a hype train, and his brilliant GSTL play right now. | ||
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
On February 16 2012 23:43 Piledriver wrote: LOL, yeah pretty obvious to haters apparently. Posting subjective opinions as if they were gospel truth. I know your type, whenever MC wins, you people cry "cheese, luck, all inning noob etc.", when he loses - "yeah he sucks, I've been saying it all along.". I'm not a hater, i think MC is still pretty good but there's no way you can argue that he is close to players like DRG and Alive who have such a solid style | ||
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
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Cham
797 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:00 PrinceXizor wrote: congrats, he won an Open season, that automatically will put him near the top of the earnings. he's still no where near the top nowadays when it matters. I put MC as the 5th best protoss Genius Creator Parting Treme MC MC is super overrated though. Treme is only there by taking a hype train, and his brilliant GSTL play right now. What do you base your "nowadays" rankings on then? I base it off of recent success - which is to me the most obvious measurement of how well someone is playing at the moment. I'm pretty sure MC just won HSC and got to the quarterfinals of GSL. How is he nowhere near the top? I'm not an obsessive fanboy of MC, but I do think he is one of the top players recently. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:05 Cham wrote: What do you base your "nowadays" rankings on then? I base it off of recent success - which is to me the most obvious measurement of how well someone is playing at the moment. I'm pretty sure MC just won HSC and got to the quarterfinals of GSL. How is he nowhere near the top? cuz bias. Honestly, anyone putting Creator as the number 2 Protoss, and Treme before MC has some serious judgement issues. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:00 PrinceXizor wrote: congrats, he won an Open season, that automatically will put him near the top of the earnings. he's still no where near the top nowadays when it matters. I put MC as the 5th best protoss Genius Creator Parting Treme MC MC is super overrated though. Treme is only there by taking a hype train, and his brilliant GSTL play right now. MC took out Parting 2-0 just a while ago. And MC has won 2 GSL's, along with a number of high placing finishes in other tournaments.And how can you leave out other high level tosses as of late? Oz, JYP, Puzzle, Brown all deserve to be ranked higher than Treme, Creator or Parting. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:09 Doctorbeat wrote: MC took out Parting 2-0 just a while ago. And MC has won 2 GSL's, along with a number of high placing finishes in other tournaments.And how can you leave out other high level tosses as of late? Oz, JYP, Puzzle, Brown all deserve to be ranked higher than Treme, Creator or Parting. i value all around skill over specializations. which is why genius/creator are 1/2 since they are the most well rounded protoss' MC is the only specialist on that list. the four names you listed are either the best or near the best in a matchup but have big holes in their play. and again treme is only there on a hype train solely based off how well he played in GSTL. | ||
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
On February 16 2012 23:55 GodOfWar wrote: well you know thats bullshit www.sc2earnings.com MC is still the number 1 successful Toss, and Genius might very likely go down next round. I guess Fruidealer is still better than Leenock and DRG lol | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:11 PrinceXizor wrote: i value all around skill over specializations. which is why genius/creator are 1/2 since they are the most well rounded protoss' MC is the only specialist on that list. the four names you listed are either the best or near the best in a matchup but have big holes in their play. and again treme is only there on a hype train solely based off how well he played in GSTL. All right then, because you seem to genuinely believe your ranking: in what way is MC the only "specialist" on that list? Explain it to me. That implies he's only good at a couple of things, and bad at the others. Are you another of those people who think he can only 1- or 2-base all-in? | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:00 PrinceXizor wrote: congrats, he won an Open season, that automatically will put him near the top of the earnings. he's still no where near the top nowadays when it matters. I put MC as the 5th best protoss Genius Creator Parting Treme MC MC is super overrated though. Treme is only there by taking a hype train, and his brilliant GSTL play right now. well Iam clearly arguing with a hater here. MC easily won more tournaments than all those 4 combined, also Oz and Puzzle (probably HerO) should be in that list, Treme is pretty much a joke with some random GSTL bo1 wins. | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:14 GodOfWar wrote: well Iam clearly arguing with a hater here. MC easily won more tournaments than all those 4 combined, also Oz should be in that list, Treme is pretty much a joke with some random GSTL bo1 wins. MC is a specialist. Yet a never before broadcasted Zenex toss who only played PvT in his matches and lost one of them clearly deserves to be hyped up to a higher than MC ranking. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:13 SeaSwift wrote: All right then, because you seem to genuinely believe your ranking: in what way is MC the only "specialist" on that list? Explain it to me. That implies he's only good at a couple of things, and bad at the others. Are you another of those people who think he can only 1- or 2-base all-in? he is a timing attack specialist. he rarely is able to compete with anyone in drawn out macro games, and avoids those situations whenever possible, he all ins a lot, but he doesn't PLAN to all in, but he does when he knows he can get the win. he does base all of his play on timing attacks that can lead into an all in if he does enough damage, and since he is a timing attack specialist he often is able to deal enough damage with his superior control and game sense in order to all in for the win. for instance MC currently isn't anywhere near the top of PvT, because he is unable to bring the game to that snowballed late game that protoss' use to beat terran consistently. his PvZ and PvP are impressive right now only because they are timing attack based matchups for protoss in the current meta. now given that, MC is the best of the specialist protosses, and thats why he is on the list. creator is an innovator who has most of his problems set in nerves. he is super super strong in practice (players on prime have said they rarely ever beat him), and changed PvT completely, he found ways to improve upon JYP's PvZ which protosses in korea have picked up on and use now, his PvP is strong because he is a strong player in general, and so he is better all around than the specialist tosses. Genius took what creator did, and added his own ridiculously powerful all-in's and openings to them, which let's him become the best all around protoss in the game. so yeah Mc is good, but he's definitely NOT the top protoss anymore, and he's definitely not one of the top players in korea. though he is by far the best korean when it comes to traveling for foreign events, he doesn't let anything shake his mentality and that helps him overcome the other shaken and jetlagged koreans in foreign events. | ||
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PureBalls
Austria383 Posts
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