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Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
February 11 2012 19:27 GMT
#1121
On February 12 2012 04:26 alepoff wrote:
"helicopter head sex"

LOL! I heard "Helicopter Head Sacks".
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 11 2012 19:27 GMT
#1122
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:20 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:12 iamthedave wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:06 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Any chance of stopping with the foreigner bashing? I mean I'd accept it if every top, top foreigner was here, and the Koreans weren't dropping sets, but the games have been pretty close by and large.


Yeah, this is the worst part of these LR threads. Koreans can edge it out in games by the skin of their teeth and there's always going to be people who will drop posts like "outclassed" and "skill gap" etc. -_-

Every single series since yesterday could easily have gone either way.


The point is actually that Supernova is playing terribly off his game. That's not trying to make the foreigners seem worse than they are, but Supernova's just been making mistakes left and right that are - by his normal standards - elementary and which he shouldn't make.

Honestly when I saw his matches with Sliv, I was certain he was going to lose in the semis.

It looks bad when a Code S Terran playing close to his worst somehow makes it to the finals.


What makes you think Supernova's opponents played their A game either? They also made elementary mistakes which they shouldn't (and normally don't) make and basically gave him wins (literally, multiple times). Everybody goes into games with the intent to play the best games they're capable of at the moment, and that's exactly what they do.

The thing is people have built this entire imaginary flowchart of rationalizing of why the results happen and projecting what should have happened.

I agree people go over the top with it after close games... but lets look at the results overall so fa in sc2.

MLG only 1 foreigner has won since Koreans starting coming over(A foreigner who has been training in Korea forever nontheless..)
IEM- dominated by Koreans
GSL - No foreigners in Code S, Most have dropped out of Code A all together...
Dreamhack - Don't remember most results, I think this has been the closest one to 50/50 Korean/Foreigner winning.
NASL - both times Korean vs Korean Finals.

Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


Anyway back on topic... Go go Go RET!

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DreamHack
Koreans have won 3/5, one of the foreigner wins being Huk, the same as the only MLG foreign win. The last Dreamhack was Korean vs Korean, so it's slowly making it's way similar to the other tournies
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Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 11 2012 19:28 GMT
#1123
GO RET BRAZILIAN PRIDE
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
February 11 2012 19:29 GMT
#1124
On February 12 2012 04:28 Alpino wrote:
GO RET BRAZILIAN PRIDE

not even

it would be better if you had gone USA, USA, USA, since neither you or ret are from the US
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 19:30:22
February 11 2012 19:30 GMT
#1125
On February 12 2012 04:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
2. The Korean vs Foreigner thing, is just getting irritating as it's not even based on results or anything, but merely people cherrypicking games to suit whatever preconceptions they have. At least in the GSL or MLGs the results vaguely matter, in that it's the creme de la creme of both scenes facing off, but in other events it's really not that relevant. MMA winning IEM Kiev for example hardly validates the supremacy of the Korean scene, given he's a guy that beats even the best Korean players consistently.


I wouldn't even use the previous MLG's (the future ones might be different), the European scene only ever sent a small handful of players to past MLG's.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 11 2012 19:30 GMT
#1126
On February 12 2012 04:29 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:28 Alpino wrote:
GO RET BRAZILIAN PRIDE

not even

it would be better if you had gone USA, USA, USA, since neither you or ret are from the US

how 'bout neither?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1127
Go Real! Show them what you're worth!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 19:32:29
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1128
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


That's all just statistics, some of which are from ages ago as well.

Until the games are completely one-sided and hopeless from start to finish like they were in BW, using the terms like "domination" and "outclassed" is offensive to players that have been one tiny decision or an ounce of luck away from taking the series (even the actual wins are discarded by following the rationale of 'well the other guy didn't play his best' or 'its not gsl so it doesn't mean anything').

I'm not saying to not respect the results nor that the better player didn't win, but if all the games and series are competitive, then a win is just a win - it's not "domination".
alepoff
Profile Joined January 2012
140 Posts
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1129
On February 12 2012 04:27 elmizzt wrote:
those headsets look horribly uncomfortable

Yeah they really are, I played at an IEM stop in a diff game, they are very heavy and hurt the ears a lot. And they also kinda "vacuum suck" your ears so it hurts on the inside of your ears as well for some people (like me).
let's bounce
playtetris
Profile Joined November 2011
48 Posts
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1130
Rotterdam is a stream sniper. LOL
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 19:32:21
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1131
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:20 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:12 iamthedave wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:06 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Any chance of stopping with the foreigner bashing? I mean I'd accept it if every top, top foreigner was here, and the Koreans weren't dropping sets, but the games have been pretty close by and large.


Yeah, this is the worst part of these LR threads. Koreans can edge it out in games by the skin of their teeth and there's always going to be people who will drop posts like "outclassed" and "skill gap" etc. -_-

Every single series since yesterday could easily have gone either way.


The point is actually that Supernova is playing terribly off his game. That's not trying to make the foreigners seem worse than they are, but Supernova's just been making mistakes left and right that are - by his normal standards - elementary and which he shouldn't make.

Honestly when I saw his matches with Sliv, I was certain he was going to lose in the semis.

It looks bad when a Code S Terran playing close to his worst somehow makes it to the finals.


What makes you think Supernova's opponents played their A game either? They also made elementary mistakes which they shouldn't (and normally don't) make and basically gave him wins (literally, multiple times). Everybody goes into games with the intent to play the best games they're capable of at the moment, and that's exactly what they do.

The thing is people have built this entire imaginary flowchart of rationalizing of why the results happen and projecting what should have happened.

I agree people go over the top with it after close games... but lets look at the results overall so fa in sc2.

MLG only 1 foreigner has won since Koreans starting coming over(A foreigner who has been training in Korea forever nontheless..)
IEM- dominated by Koreans
GSL - No foreigners in Code S, Most have dropped out of Code A all together...
Dreamhack - Don't remember most results, I think this has been the closest one to 50/50 Korean/Foreigner winning.
NASL - both times Korean vs Korean Finals.

Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


Anyway back on topic... Go go Go RET!

IEM is not as dominated by koreans as MLG since IEM Guangzhou finals was between two foreigners (Idra vs Elfi).
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
February 11 2012 19:32 GMT
#1132
Sob...... NoVa why u so good..... :D :D :D
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
February 11 2012 19:33 GMT
#1133
Oh Real getting a dark shrine? that was unexpected...
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
February 11 2012 19:33 GMT
#1134
On February 12 2012 04:31 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


That's all just statistics, some of which are from ages ago as well.

Until the games are completely one-sided and hopeless from start to finish like they were in BW, using the terms like "domination" and "outclassed" is offensive to players that have been one tiny decision or an ounce of luck away from taking the series (even the actual wins are discarded by following the rationale of 'well the other guy didn't play his best' or 'its not gsl so it doesn't mean anything').

I'm not saying to not respect the results nor that the better player didn't win, but if all the games and series are competitive, then a win is just a win - it's not "domination".

Outclassed is harsh to say yes. but dominant I think is very true. If you are always winning even if every time its by a small margin you are dominant imo.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1135
well this is already kinda game over...
alistarnl
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands144 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1136
Look at supply lol... ret so gudddd
mjf
Profile Joined April 2010
United States436 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1137
wow poor control by real on those DTs
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1138
super fail dts. killed nothing
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1139
On February 12 2012 04:33 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:31 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


That's all just statistics, some of which are from ages ago as well.

Until the games are completely one-sided and hopeless from start to finish like they were in BW, using the terms like "domination" and "outclassed" is offensive to players that have been one tiny decision or an ounce of luck away from taking the series (even the actual wins are discarded by following the rationale of 'well the other guy didn't play his best' or 'its not gsl so it doesn't mean anything').

I'm not saying to not respect the results nor that the better player didn't win, but if all the games and series are competitive, then a win is just a win - it's not "domination".

Outclassed is harsh to say yes. but dominant I think is very true. If you are always winning even if every time its by a small margin you are dominant imo.


Well it's almost always between different players, so you can't really claim consistent results except for a very few individual players who are/were dominant in Korea as well (MC and MMA).
MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
February 11 2012 19:36 GMT
#1140
pvz matchup is so dumb.. unbelievable
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