• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:25
CEST 05:25
KST 12:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes170BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Starcraft: Destruction expansion pack? ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO StarCraft - Stratospace. Very rare expansion pack StarCraft Stellar Forces had bad maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1306 users

[IEM] Sao Paulo - Day 4 - Page 57

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 55 56 57 58 59 108 Next
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
February 11 2012 19:27 GMT
#1121
On February 12 2012 04:26 alepoff wrote:
"helicopter head sex"

LOL! I heard "Helicopter Head Sacks".
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 11 2012 19:27 GMT
#1122
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:20 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:12 iamthedave wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:06 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Any chance of stopping with the foreigner bashing? I mean I'd accept it if every top, top foreigner was here, and the Koreans weren't dropping sets, but the games have been pretty close by and large.


Yeah, this is the worst part of these LR threads. Koreans can edge it out in games by the skin of their teeth and there's always going to be people who will drop posts like "outclassed" and "skill gap" etc. -_-

Every single series since yesterday could easily have gone either way.


The point is actually that Supernova is playing terribly off his game. That's not trying to make the foreigners seem worse than they are, but Supernova's just been making mistakes left and right that are - by his normal standards - elementary and which he shouldn't make.

Honestly when I saw his matches with Sliv, I was certain he was going to lose in the semis.

It looks bad when a Code S Terran playing close to his worst somehow makes it to the finals.


What makes you think Supernova's opponents played their A game either? They also made elementary mistakes which they shouldn't (and normally don't) make and basically gave him wins (literally, multiple times). Everybody goes into games with the intent to play the best games they're capable of at the moment, and that's exactly what they do.

The thing is people have built this entire imaginary flowchart of rationalizing of why the results happen and projecting what should have happened.

I agree people go over the top with it after close games... but lets look at the results overall so fa in sc2.

MLG only 1 foreigner has won since Koreans starting coming over(A foreigner who has been training in Korea forever nontheless..)
IEM- dominated by Koreans
GSL - No foreigners in Code S, Most have dropped out of Code A all together...
Dreamhack - Don't remember most results, I think this has been the closest one to 50/50 Korean/Foreigner winning.
NASL - both times Korean vs Korean Finals.

Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


Anyway back on topic... Go go Go RET!

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DreamHack
Koreans have won 3/5, one of the foreigner wins being Huk, the same as the only MLG foreign win. The last Dreamhack was Korean vs Korean, so it's slowly making it's way similar to the other tournies
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 11 2012 19:28 GMT
#1123
GO RET BRAZILIAN PRIDE
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
February 11 2012 19:29 GMT
#1124
On February 12 2012 04:28 Alpino wrote:
GO RET BRAZILIAN PRIDE

not even

it would be better if you had gone USA, USA, USA, since neither you or ret are from the US
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 19:30:22
February 11 2012 19:30 GMT
#1125
On February 12 2012 04:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
2. The Korean vs Foreigner thing, is just getting irritating as it's not even based on results or anything, but merely people cherrypicking games to suit whatever preconceptions they have. At least in the GSL or MLGs the results vaguely matter, in that it's the creme de la creme of both scenes facing off, but in other events it's really not that relevant. MMA winning IEM Kiev for example hardly validates the supremacy of the Korean scene, given he's a guy that beats even the best Korean players consistently.


I wouldn't even use the previous MLG's (the future ones might be different), the European scene only ever sent a small handful of players to past MLG's.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 11 2012 19:30 GMT
#1126
On February 12 2012 04:29 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:28 Alpino wrote:
GO RET BRAZILIAN PRIDE

not even

it would be better if you had gone USA, USA, USA, since neither you or ret are from the US

how 'bout neither?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1127
Go Real! Show them what you're worth!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 19:32:29
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1128
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


That's all just statistics, some of which are from ages ago as well.

Until the games are completely one-sided and hopeless from start to finish like they were in BW, using the terms like "domination" and "outclassed" is offensive to players that have been one tiny decision or an ounce of luck away from taking the series (even the actual wins are discarded by following the rationale of 'well the other guy didn't play his best' or 'its not gsl so it doesn't mean anything').

I'm not saying to not respect the results nor that the better player didn't win, but if all the games and series are competitive, then a win is just a win - it's not "domination".
alepoff
Profile Joined January 2012
140 Posts
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1129
On February 12 2012 04:27 elmizzt wrote:
those headsets look horribly uncomfortable

Yeah they really are, I played at an IEM stop in a diff game, they are very heavy and hurt the ears a lot. And they also kinda "vacuum suck" your ears so it hurts on the inside of your ears as well for some people (like me).
let's bounce
playtetris
Profile Joined November 2011
48 Posts
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1130
Rotterdam is a stream sniper. LOL
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 19:32:21
February 11 2012 19:31 GMT
#1131
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:20 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:12 iamthedave wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:06 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Any chance of stopping with the foreigner bashing? I mean I'd accept it if every top, top foreigner was here, and the Koreans weren't dropping sets, but the games have been pretty close by and large.


Yeah, this is the worst part of these LR threads. Koreans can edge it out in games by the skin of their teeth and there's always going to be people who will drop posts like "outclassed" and "skill gap" etc. -_-

Every single series since yesterday could easily have gone either way.


The point is actually that Supernova is playing terribly off his game. That's not trying to make the foreigners seem worse than they are, but Supernova's just been making mistakes left and right that are - by his normal standards - elementary and which he shouldn't make.

Honestly when I saw his matches with Sliv, I was certain he was going to lose in the semis.

It looks bad when a Code S Terran playing close to his worst somehow makes it to the finals.


What makes you think Supernova's opponents played their A game either? They also made elementary mistakes which they shouldn't (and normally don't) make and basically gave him wins (literally, multiple times). Everybody goes into games with the intent to play the best games they're capable of at the moment, and that's exactly what they do.

The thing is people have built this entire imaginary flowchart of rationalizing of why the results happen and projecting what should have happened.

I agree people go over the top with it after close games... but lets look at the results overall so fa in sc2.

MLG only 1 foreigner has won since Koreans starting coming over(A foreigner who has been training in Korea forever nontheless..)
IEM- dominated by Koreans
GSL - No foreigners in Code S, Most have dropped out of Code A all together...
Dreamhack - Don't remember most results, I think this has been the closest one to 50/50 Korean/Foreigner winning.
NASL - both times Korean vs Korean Finals.

Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


Anyway back on topic... Go go Go RET!

IEM is not as dominated by koreans as MLG since IEM Guangzhou finals was between two foreigners (Idra vs Elfi).
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
February 11 2012 19:32 GMT
#1132
Sob...... NoVa why u so good..... :D :D :D
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
February 11 2012 19:33 GMT
#1133
Oh Real getting a dark shrine? that was unexpected...
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6659 Posts
February 11 2012 19:33 GMT
#1134
On February 12 2012 04:31 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


That's all just statistics, some of which are from ages ago as well.

Until the games are completely one-sided and hopeless from start to finish like they were in BW, using the terms like "domination" and "outclassed" is offensive to players that have been one tiny decision or an ounce of luck away from taking the series (even the actual wins are discarded by following the rationale of 'well the other guy didn't play his best' or 'its not gsl so it doesn't mean anything').

I'm not saying to not respect the results nor that the better player didn't win, but if all the games and series are competitive, then a win is just a win - it's not "domination".

Outclassed is harsh to say yes. but dominant I think is very true. If you are always winning even if every time its by a small margin you are dominant imo.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1135
well this is already kinda game over...
alistarnl
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands144 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1136
Look at supply lol... ret so gudddd
mjf
Profile Joined April 2010
United States436 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1137
wow poor control by real on those DTs
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1138
super fail dts. killed nothing
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
February 11 2012 19:35 GMT
#1139
On February 12 2012 04:33 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 04:31 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant.


That's all just statistics, some of which are from ages ago as well.

Until the games are completely one-sided and hopeless from start to finish like they were in BW, using the terms like "domination" and "outclassed" is offensive to players that have been one tiny decision or an ounce of luck away from taking the series (even the actual wins are discarded by following the rationale of 'well the other guy didn't play his best' or 'its not gsl so it doesn't mean anything').

I'm not saying to not respect the results nor that the better player didn't win, but if all the games and series are competitive, then a win is just a win - it's not "domination".

Outclassed is harsh to say yes. but dominant I think is very true. If you are always winning even if every time its by a small margin you are dominant imo.


Well it's almost always between different players, so you can't really claim consistent results except for a very few individual players who are/were dominant in Korea as well (MC and MMA).
MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
February 11 2012 19:36 GMT
#1140
pvz matchup is so dumb.. unbelievable
Prev 1 55 56 57 58 59 108 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
21:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #16
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft473
RuFF_SC2 168
Nathanias 105
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3849
Icarus 9
Dota 2
monkeys_forever513
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 584
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K0
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox616
Westballz23
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor116
Other Games
summit1g9440
NeuroSwarm161
XaKoH 150
ViBE90
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick600
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH228
• practicex 10
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 58
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra883
Upcoming Events
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
4h 35m
RSL Revival
6h 35m
Classic vs TBD
WardiTV Invitational
7h 35m
Online Event
12h 35m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 6h
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
1d 7h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 12h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Clem vs Reynor
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-18
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.