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On February 12 2012 04:38 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 04:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On February 12 2012 04:20 Talin wrote:On February 12 2012 04:12 iamthedave wrote:On February 12 2012 04:06 Talin wrote:On February 12 2012 04:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Any chance of stopping with the foreigner bashing? I mean I'd accept it if every top, top foreigner was here, and the Koreans weren't dropping sets, but the games have been pretty close by and large. Yeah, this is the worst part of these LR threads. Koreans can edge it out in games by the skin of their teeth and there's always going to be people who will drop posts like "outclassed" and "skill gap" etc. -_- Every single series since yesterday could easily have gone either way. The point is actually that Supernova is playing terribly off his game. That's not trying to make the foreigners seem worse than they are, but Supernova's just been making mistakes left and right that are - by his normal standards - elementary and which he shouldn't make. Honestly when I saw his matches with Sliv, I was certain he was going to lose in the semis. It looks bad when a Code S Terran playing close to his worst somehow makes it to the finals. What makes you think Supernova's opponents played their A game either? They also made elementary mistakes which they shouldn't (and normally don't) make and basically gave him wins (literally, multiple times). Everybody goes into games with the intent to play the best games they're capable of at the moment, and that's exactly what they do. The thing is people have built this entire imaginary flowchart of rationalizing of why the results happen and projecting what should have happened. I agree people go over the top with it after close games... but lets look at the results overall so fa in sc2. MLG only 1 foreigner has won since Koreans starting coming over(A foreigner who has been training in Korea forever nontheless..) IEM- dominated by Koreans GSL - No foreigners in Code S, Most have dropped out of Code A all together... Dreamhack - Don't remember most results, I think this has been the closest one to 50/50 Korean/Foreigner winning. NASL - both times Korean vs Korean Finals. Yes they are circumstances you can't count for which may lead to Koreans wins. But overall Koreans have been very dominant. Anyway back on topic... Go go Go RET! Koreans are better, but they aren't on some other plane of existence like some people got on. MLGs, Nani making a finals etc show it's still possible. MLG is actually my favourite tournament to gauge the extent of the foreign/Korean divide. Lots of games within a shorter period, less chance to pre-plan weird builds and the like, which is why I think foreigners do terribly in GSL generally. I mean especially in Code A the foreigner will tend to have had a lot more exposure than his opponent Last two IEMs haven't been massively Korea dominated, they've been pretty close at times. Dimaga in the final at Kiev, Kas taking out Zenio and Hero didn't even make it out of pools. Idra won Ghangzhou as well right? In this one we've seen close games, and Supernova making the (expected) final.
Well Dimaga made the finals because he was in an all foreigner side of the bracket... Of course Dimaga is good and could have potentially made it through Koreans too. My point isn't that Koreans are on some other plane. My point is they are dominant, though close games and foreigners can win. The Koreans are almost always favoured and almost always win!
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People are honestly still arguing about foreigners vs koreans?? really??
Stop being oblivious. Koreans are still way ahead of Foreigners. Get over it and enjoy the games
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On February 12 2012 04:41 Grampz wrote:
is this old version of terminus? why do they still even use this map? zzzz
No, it's the newest version.
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On February 12 2012 04:40 MWY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 04:37 Eee wrote:On February 12 2012 04:36 MWY wrote:
pvz matchup is so dumb.. unbelievable care to elaborate? :S for toss: 2 base allin or you lose for zerg: hold the 2 base allin (and your 3.) or you lose ive seen nothing else in a month...
I guess I must have been imagining all those ridiculously long games with broodlords and motherships.
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Northern Ireland24402 Posts
On February 12 2012 04:42 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 04:40 MWY wrote:On February 12 2012 04:37 Eee wrote:On February 12 2012 04:36 MWY wrote:
pvz matchup is so dumb.. unbelievable care to elaborate? :S for toss: 2 base allin or you lose for zerg: hold the 2 base allin (and your 3.) or you lose ive seen nothing else in a month... Heavy muta play into massive broodlord infestor armies vs blink,storm, archons and mothership? Seen that a lot too.
Muta play is even worse to watch, mass spines into the Zerg deathball. Lol and Protoss get whined at for turtling?
I await the return of Code A anyway, Hero/JYP/Sage can hopefully show some PvZ chops, only players I have seen that make the matchup consistently entertaining.
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Should have Nydused here. 
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On February 12 2012 04:43 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 04:40 MWY wrote:On February 12 2012 04:37 Eee wrote:On February 12 2012 04:36 MWY wrote:
pvz matchup is so dumb.. unbelievable care to elaborate? :S for toss: 2 base allin or you lose for zerg: hold the 2 base allin (and your 3.) or you lose ive seen nothing else in a month... I guess I must have been imagining all those ridiculously long games with broodlords and motherships.
perhaps ive just watched the wrong games ^_^, wanna name some good ones so i can watch? 
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Lol I thought the 4/3 place are played tomorrow.
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Rotterdam: "Ret is just kinda freeballing right now" LOL I approve.
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is this ( ret vs real ) the grand final or the small final (for place 3) ???
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On February 12 2012 04:43 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 04:42 Kevan wrote:On February 12 2012 04:40 MWY wrote:On February 12 2012 04:37 Eee wrote:On February 12 2012 04:36 MWY wrote:
pvz matchup is so dumb.. unbelievable care to elaborate? :S for toss: 2 base allin or you lose for zerg: hold the 2 base allin (and your 3.) or you lose ive seen nothing else in a month... Heavy muta play into massive broodlord infestor armies vs blink,storm, archons and mothership? Seen that a lot too. Muta play is even worse to watch, mass spines into the Zerg deathball. Lol and Protoss get whined at for turtling? I await the return of Code A anyway, Hero/JYP/Sage can hopefully show some PvZ chops, only players I have seen that make the matchup consistently entertaining.
Agree .I hate muta play in PvZ in every way. Archon toilet vs broodlords is stupid too. Spread and you win.
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lol bitter is like "THAT'S MY PREDICTION" after ret starts infestor energy and burrow..
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Mr.Bitter make me want Foreigner to lose in every tournament that him cast -"-
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Can I get replays for this tournament? I think they released them for Ukraine.
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United States97276 Posts
Real is getting destroyed by ret
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On February 12 2012 04:44 MWY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 04:43 Jyvblamo wrote:On February 12 2012 04:40 MWY wrote:On February 12 2012 04:37 Eee wrote:On February 12 2012 04:36 MWY wrote:
pvz matchup is so dumb.. unbelievable care to elaborate? :S for toss: 2 base allin or you lose for zerg: hold the 2 base allin (and your 3.) or you lose ive seen nothing else in a month... I guess I must have been imagining all those ridiculously long games with broodlords and motherships. perhaps ive just watched the wrong games ^_^, wanna name some good ones so i can watch?
Most of 'em aren't good :p only some hero ones where he harasses a lot, but usually it's just one big battle at 30min, vortex hits broods -> P wins, vortex doesn't hit enough broods -> Z wins.
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Top 1a control, how can people not have moved into several control groups yet :/
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EPT
