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On February 08 2012 20:11 Typhon wrote:
man, Jjakji makes TvT look so imba.
Terran imba in TvT!?!
 keke
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On February 08 2012 20:11 -UMADIMSTYLIN- wrote:
lol, this is just a standard marine,helion,medivac opening in tvt, what are they talking about
Yeah lol. For some reason they don't sometimes pick up on standard builds...it was a common marine hellion elevator -_-
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Wow, considering GanZi always practices with MMA, thats quite a surprise...
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On February 08 2012 20:09 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:02 Xarles wrote:On February 08 2012 19:45 Mr_Wo_Ot wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. Remember the people who are responding to you are the 2% of the people reading and the other 98% enjoy reading your posts. So please dont let the haters get to you! Morrow hwaiting! Agreed. Not to mention that he gives proper reasoning towards his opinions as opposed to someone like IdrA. I'll take that over an attention seeking no-name whiner any day. The problem is that pros play their game twelve hours a day, but communicate very little about it with people who are not on their par. They walk in a forum, scribble two sentences without any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and complain when users disrespect their opinion, expecting everyone to merely bow to their experience out of sheer faith. I respect their opinion, and I agree that the TL forums can be a dangerous place for their peace of mind, but even if they don't feel like taking their time to explain they could avoid bashing just by being more subtle with their balance whine. (Nothing exotic. Just add "in the current metagame" to every complaint and no one will be able to tell it off as easily.)
I think MorroW very obviously put forward his case as to why a build shouldn't allow you to get ahead both economically and in army.
Back on topic that was some sick TvT from Jjakji, I honestly thought if he lost the game against Parting he'd get dumped out by Ganzi. My liquibet is already far from perfect with Jjakji losing but it can almost be salvaged if he edges out Ganzi then beats Parting in a rematch.
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Poor GanZi. Just dying to every small early or mid-game timing in this group...
On February 08 2012 20:12 mvtaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:09 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 08 2012 20:02 Xarles wrote:On February 08 2012 19:45 Mr_Wo_Ot wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. Remember the people who are responding to you are the 2% of the people reading and the other 98% enjoy reading your posts. So please dont let the haters get to you! Morrow hwaiting! Agreed. Not to mention that he gives proper reasoning towards his opinions as opposed to someone like IdrA. I'll take that over an attention seeking no-name whiner any day. The problem is that pros play their game twelve hours a day, but communicate very little about it with people who are not on their par. They walk in a forum, scribble two sentences without any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and complain when users disrespect their opinion, expecting everyone to merely bow to their experience out of sheer faith. I respect their opinion, and I agree that the TL forums can be a dangerous place for their peace of mind, but even if they don't feel like taking their time to explain they could avoid bashing just by being more subtle with their balance whine. (Nothing exotic. Just add "in the current metagame" to every complaint and no one will be able to tell it off as easily.) I think MorroW very obviously put forward his case as to why a build shouldn't allow you to get ahead both economically and in army.
Yes, but he did so after his first post; anyway, I was not talking about MorroW specifically, but of the pros' general attitude.
I will take their opinion as almost granted in most cases, but if they go to the length of being arrogant I will be much less adamant about defending them.
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That was frikin funny to watch lol. Reminds me of the boxer speed reaper and helion drop build
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On February 08 2012 20:10 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:09 ThatGuy89 wrote:
wow were MCs game just cheesey or something? surprised to see so many bad votes as usual pvt 6gate pvp 4gate 1base, then dt 1base
Wrong.
It was 8 gate, then a 5gate against Ganzi.
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On February 08 2012 20:11 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:53 Noktix wrote:On February 08 2012 19:50 Notfragile wrote:On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this... Don't you even feel the least bit of shame saying this? I am not going to discuss why your comment is plain dumb (more work =/ results if there is a racial imbalance, gimmicky strat. Think of the early 1-1-1 days and all the protoss pro gamer JUSTIFIED tears) I am just saying that comments like this should be flamed by the rest of the community. A pro does not have "immunity" to comments from us, it's just... you are flaming someone in codeA level for not being good enough. Who the fuck are you to do that, sir? The fuck? When did i say anything about Morrow specifically? He is a great player who i completely respect. When did i say he wasn't good enough? If you have trouble with a race, a strategy, ANYTHING, practice and innovate. Don't bitch about imbalance. That is the point i'm making. That's a bullshit argument.So if something is obviously imbalanced you are not allowed to complain so it does get nerfed..... THE FUCK?
Watching two series does not make something "obviously imbalanced". Now shush, and take your complaints out of the LR thread. You're ruining the thread for the rest of us >_>
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very well played from Jjakji
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On February 08 2012 20:09 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 20:05 HolyArrow wrote:
Sure, MorroW plays the game and knows a ton more than any other poster in this thread, but I hiiiiighly doubt that every pro (who practices as much as MorroW, and likely knows the game as well as him) agrees with him. We see professional players balancing whining in favor of their race all the time, and to me, that tells me that despite how much they know about the game, pros are only human and are thus subject to the same pitfalls of bias as any other person is. Honestly, I'd love to see perhaps a section of TL forums that only allows pros to post so we can actually see them debate balance instead of just having random pros wander into LR threads and balance whine under the justification that they play and understand the game a ton more than other posters in the thread. It just causes a dumb shitstorm, every time. Doesn't SotG already do that though?
Yes and they mostly agree, and being mocked for it at times. I remember when Huk and Naniwa (or maybe one was Tyler) said PvZ was favouring Zerg and they got laughed at in the forums. A month or two after than, few were laughing.
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On February 08 2012 20:11 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:53 Noktix wrote:On February 08 2012 19:50 Notfragile wrote:On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this... Don't you even feel the least bit of shame saying this? I am not going to discuss why your comment is plain dumb (more work =/ results if there is a racial imbalance, gimmicky strat. Think of the early 1-1-1 days and all the protoss pro gamer JUSTIFIED tears) I am just saying that comments like this should be flamed by the rest of the community. A pro does not have "immunity" to comments from us, it's just... you are flaming someone in codeA level for not being good enough. Who the fuck are you to do that, sir? The fuck? When did i say anything about Morrow specifically? He is a great player who i completely respect. When did i say he wasn't good enough? If you have trouble with a race, a strategy, ANYTHING, practice and innovate. Don't bitch about imbalance. That is the point i'm making. That's a bullshit argument.So if something is obviously imbalanced you are not allowed to complain so it does get nerfed..... THE FUCK?
ForGG v MC, ForGG gets a really quick third CC then just overruns MC with mass units.
T so imba, how can they get a third base so fast and just sit behind bunkers
Protoss has to blindly mass gateway all-in to win.
Difference?
How about TvZ reactor expand versus zerg into quick third, unless zerg all-ins it definitely feels like they are behind.
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On February 08 2012 20:12 zhurai wrote:Terran imba in TvT!?! keke
MarinekingPrime on PvP
"IMBA VS IMBA!!!"
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On February 08 2012 20:11 BansheeDK wrote:
Who said that every TvT has to last an hour?
Cool build by Jjakji
That's BW bro. SCII TvT is awesome.
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
Why are people still arguing about balance? In an LR thread? During a TvT series?
Let it go, or take it somewhere appropriate. FFS.
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On February 08 2012 20:12 zhurai wrote:Terran imba in TvT!?! keke
It's all part of a conspiracy by the zergs... they give the Terrans good TvT strats, so that TvT looks Terran favoured, which will result in terran nerfs, thereby making ZvT easier
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Using TLO's 1-1-1 build like a boss.
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On February 08 2012 20:12 WigglingSquid wrote:
Poor GanZi. Just dying to every small early or mid-game timing in this group...
idra effect
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Tasteless with some REAL TALK.
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