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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 20 2012 04:23 GMT
#141
On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:
When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are )


He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.


You do know he demolished MKP at WCG?

Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back.

Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 20 2012 04:24 GMT
#142
On January 20 2012 13:23 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:
When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are )


He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.


You do know he demolished MKP at WCG?

Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back.

Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me.


KR-EU lag. :D
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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 19:02:59
January 20 2012 04:26 GMT
#143
Also, why did IdrA and HuK not play? At first I figured that it probably had to do with the fact that they were in Korea, but JYP and PuMa managed to play, so I'm confused. If EG fields JYP, PuMa, IdrA, and HuK they'll be one of the scariest teams, but after those four the skill on their team really drops off. Demu is a fantastic player, but he still isn't at the caliber of the other EG players and I don't think that he would be nearly as consistent against the all-star line-ups that he'd have to face in this league.

EDIT: 1000th post Vulture hwaiting ^^
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
January 20 2012 04:35 GMT
#144
On January 20 2012 13:13 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:
When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are )


He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.


You do know he demolished MKP at WCG?


Yes. Your teammate is good, top-tier foreign Terran, but honestly not Code S level. His win over MKP was a huge achievement, but still an upset. For the sake of the foreign scene, it would be nice if he could be playing evenly against players like MVP or MMA, but reality argues otherwise (at least for now). Still, Kas might face MMA at IEM this weekend, and Empire will face many Korean teams in the IPL TAC2.

Congrats on your win today and best of luck to you and your teammates in upcoming events. I stand by my belief that Kas is not (yet) GSL level, however, unless he can show he can consistently beat top-tier Koreans.


Im not saying he would win GSL and IPL wont show anything because Empire has more delay on NA server than any KR team playing on it, at LAN's Kas won Koreans lately and thats being discussed.
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Icekommander
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada483 Posts
January 20 2012 04:36 GMT
#145
On January 20 2012 13:26 The Final Boss wrote:
Also, why did IdrA and HuK not play? At first I figured that it probably had to do with the fact that they were in Korea, but JYP and PuMa managed to play, so I'm confused. If EG fields JYP, PuMa, IdrA, and HuK they'll be one of the scariest teams, but after those four the skill on their team really drops off. Demu is a fantastic player, but he still isn't at the caliber of the other EG players and I don't think that he would be nearly as consistent against the all-star line-ups that he'd have to face in this league.


I dunno, Demu has consistently destroyed good opposition before - I would definitely consider him more consistent than IdrA. I'm thinking last season of NASL where his only loss in season play was the walk over against hero. And that was over Sheth, White-Ra, Lowely, ect. A bit longer ago was his MLG Raleigh run over Trickster and Ret. I think he is up there with IdrA and HuK in the top foreign tier of EG.
Time Flies like an arrow. Fruit Flies like a banana.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 20 2012 04:58 GMT
#146
On January 20 2012 13:35 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 13:13 Bagration wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:
When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are )


He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.


You do know he demolished MKP at WCG?


Yes. Your teammate is good, top-tier foreign Terran, but honestly not Code S level. His win over MKP was a huge achievement, but still an upset. For the sake of the foreign scene, it would be nice if he could be playing evenly against players like MVP or MMA, but reality argues otherwise (at least for now). Still, Kas might face MMA at IEM this weekend, and Empire will face many Korean teams in the IPL TAC2.

Congrats on your win today and best of luck to you and your teammates in upcoming events. I stand by my belief that Kas is not (yet) GSL level, however, unless he can show he can consistently beat top-tier Koreans.


Im not saying he would win GSL and IPL wont show anything because Empire has more delay on NA server than any KR team playing on it, at LAN's Kas won Koreans lately and thats being discussed.


Yes, Kas has beaten top Koreans, both online and at LANs. I agree with you there and I believe that Kas is one of the foreign scene's best Terrans. Where I believe that you and I differ is whether or not Kas can beat Koreans consistently. Maybe he can, but there has not been enough games for us to know for certain.

After reading this thread and seeing him perform at IEM and tonight, however, I am curious about how well Kas would play in a tournament like the GSL. I do not think that he will be very successful, but I hope to be proven wrong. I would personally love to see Kas receive a GSL seed for the next season and play in the GSL.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
January 20 2012 05:02 GMT
#147
On January 20 2012 12:38 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh


I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance.

Don't know about #2 best terran, but definitely the best FOREIGNER terran atm in my book! His macro is amazingly good.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:21:29
January 20 2012 05:15 GMT
#148
On January 20 2012 14:02 gullberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:38 Bagration wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh


I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance.

Don't know about #2 best terran, but definitely the best FOREIGNER terran atm in my book! His macro is amazingly good.


Now that's a statement that I can get behind. Kas and Thorzain are the two Terran powerhouses of the foreign scene. If only Kas could get an opportunity to compete in the GSL to show everyone how good he really is...
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Regorr
Profile Joined February 2011
306 Posts
January 20 2012 05:23 GMT
#149
gg baby
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
January 20 2012 05:34 GMT
#150
On January 20 2012 13:02 Za7oX wrote:
Why no IdrA vs Kas ? lol


Idra's busy training for code A matches, he wants to stay in code A!!
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
January 20 2012 06:43 GMT
#151
On January 20 2012 13:26 The Final Boss wrote:
Also, why did IdrA and HuK not play? At first I figured that it probably had to do with the fact that they were in Korea, but JYP and PuMa managed to play, so I'm confused. If EG fields JYP, PuMa, IdrA, and HuK they'll be one of the scariest teams, but after those four the skill on their team really drops off. Demu is a fantastic player, but he still isn't at the caliber of the other EG players and I don't think that he would be nearly as consistent against the all-star line-ups that he'd have to face in this league.


Agreed, there was really no reason for HuK and Idra not to play. What's the point of having them if you're never going to use them? GSL is nice but if other players can manage multiple tournaments/slash leagues why can't they?
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 20 2012 07:18 GMT
#152
On January 20 2012 15:43 GunPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 13:26 The Final Boss wrote:
Also, why did IdrA and HuK not play? At first I figured that it probably had to do with the fact that they were in Korea, but JYP and PuMa managed to play, so I'm confused. If EG fields JYP, PuMa, IdrA, and HuK they'll be one of the scariest teams, but after those four the skill on their team really drops off. Demu is a fantastic player, but he still isn't at the caliber of the other EG players and I don't think that he would be nearly as consistent against the all-star line-ups that he'd have to face in this league.


Agreed, there was really no reason for HuK and Idra not to play. What's the point of having them if you're never going to use them? GSL is nice but if other players can manage multiple tournaments/slash leagues why can't they?


Its not that they can't manage it its both of them HATE latency with a passion. Both of them have expressed no interest in playing when there is latency.
When I think of something else, something will go here
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
January 20 2012 07:19 GMT
#153
Wow that was unexpected. GJ Empire. <3
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 07:48:36
January 20 2012 07:46 GMT
#154
On January 20 2012 14:02 gullberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:38 Bagration wrote:
On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh


I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance.

Don't know about #2 best terran, but definitely the best FOREIGNER terran atm in my book! His macro is amazingly good.


I think this is a statement we can all stand behind, i will not go into code S caliber nonsense for we can only speculate.
Kas is a monster, i only hope he considers of going to korea for a while just to see if he can improve his game even more.

Totally forgot to congratulate Empire ! Grats guys well deserved win, i will look at the games later.
It does my heart good to see a all foreign team beat a foreign/korean team. You can buy talent, or you can train your own.
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
January 20 2012 07:54 GMT
#155
Nice! GJ Empire!
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 20 2012 10:41 GMT
#156
Oh noes, I missed it. Well done Empire. Now for the next time you put Aristeo on the bench and let Welmu take care of business.
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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 20 2012 10:57 GMT
#157
Well done by Empire. Empire l8tly has really showed they got one of the best teams in the foreign scene. And Kas is leading the herde.

HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 20 2012 11:04 GMT
#158
On January 20 2012 12:38 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh


I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance.


Ofcourse is not true but his perfomance l8tly is so impressive 2-0 MKP at wcg and hammering everyone at IEM including Zenio that he made look like a silver player.

Kas is on beastmode atm and how fare he can take it is the quistion he has a practise monster so we will see
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 20 2012 11:07 GMT
#159
On January 20 2012 13:07 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 13:05 ForlornHope wrote:
On January 20 2012 13:02 Za7oX wrote:
Why no IdrA vs Kas ? lol

cause Kas would have demolished him anyway



kas is good, but typical of ppl on TL to hype up a player so hard after a game.

Your hero kas would get demolished in code A.


Actually last 2 times Kas and Idra has meet Idra has been destroyed. Kas is outmacroing Idra everytime tbh
Toshirotl
Profile Joined January 2012
Portugal128 Posts
January 20 2012 11:10 GMT
#160
Kas and Empire keep proving themselves, nice job
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