[GSL] 2012 Jan Code S RO32 D8 - Page 88

On January 20 2012 03:46 bigbeau wrote:


Honestly, although most people may see your post as a QQ whine post, I play protoss and I actually agree. I still play protoss because it's the race I got to masters from silver with and I have spent so much time learning it that it's just frustrating to try and learn a new race. I hate trying to play a new race and losing to people that I know I could beat with my Protoss. So that's why me (and a lot of other people) still play Protoss. But, seriously, it is a boring race. It looks cool, graphically, and has cool units and story-lines, but the matchups are freaking boring as hell.

PvP: Worst matchup in the game imo. To me, the 4 gate nerf made it even worse, because at least with 4 gate battles, the person with superior micro won the game and it was intense, quick action. Now, it's just who wants to take their natural first and be more greedy, then kind of make stuff, blink around, try to harass (which shouldn't happen if your opponent is not retarded), and then kind of stay alive until you transition into colossus.

PvZ: Probably the most entertaining of the protoss matchups. It's really predictable and progresses linearly, but at least there are different branches that can happen from the beginning. The problem is that it goes something like FFE --> either gateway aggression or stargate harass. Zerg goes quick 3rd into droning. They should scout either the stargate or gates going up. If stargate, make spores and queens and maybe hydras depending on how many stargate units. If gates, make roaches and lings and maybe some hydras. When hydras are made, protoss makes colossus. Zerg tries to deny 3rd, protoss tries to take 3rd. Then zerg gets corruptors for colossus. Then broodlords. Then protoss gets blink stalkers and mothership. Zerg gets infestors. Protoss gets HTs and archons and immortals.

While that may seem like a lot of stuff happening, it's so predictable and linear. This happens, then protoss must do THIS. Then zerg must do THIS. etc. etc. Mutas are a different strategy too, as well as infestors, but they each force the protoss to respond a specific way (blink stalker, HT tech for mutas and HTs, archons, chargelots and immortals for infestor/ling/roach)

Then PvT: Early expand, hold off early Terran aggression, tech to colossus, terran gets vikings, get upgrades, take 3rd, get templar tech, terran gets ghosts, expand and max, attack and whoever gets better emps or storms off usually wins. Yay. Exciting. Honestly I think Protoss has the advantage PvT right now on these bigger maps and its really just boring to watch. People act like 40 minute game = good game but it doesnt. Constant action = good game. Id rather watch an intensely microd proxy 2 gate over a 40 minute sit and max PvT any day.

Conclusion/TL;DR: Protoss is just really linear in style and must respond to each phase of the game the exact same every time. That's not to say they cant harass with proxy pylons/warp prism or hit timings, but every protoss matchup goes through the exact same order of units being built. It's just really boring, but you need those units to win (colossus, HT). This isn't whether or not Protoss is balanced or not, because it could be the best race in the game and still be boring to play. It's also not whether or not Protoss is hard to play, because it's the concept of the unavoidable tech paths that makes the race (and the matchups it plays in) boring.