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On January 08 2012 03:11 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:10 Vadrigar wrote:On January 08 2012 03:07 Fragile51 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:05 Qaatar wrote:On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:On January 08 2012 02:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Just tuned in to stream 2, battlecruisers in TvP? Can someone explain wtf is going on? The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around.  Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble? Like others are saying, there's a difference between petulantly a-moving probes and taking his hands off the keyboard, and MKP/MC putting on a fun showmatch. Sure, both are "throwing" the match, but there are different degrees, and one is a much more acceptable form of behavior than the other. Think of it in real sports terms. Two football teams are forced to play meaningless matches (not against each other). One football team decides to "throw" its last meaningless match by sitting out and pouting. The other team decides to take 30 meter shots on the goal every chance it gets, and tries to do a lot of fancy footwork and tricks. Which team do you think will be lambasted by the media? There's also something to be said for NaNi's method of not wasting the audiences time. Most people want to see players try their absolute best or just not play at all. I agree. I don't want to see players just fucking around (ingame) for 30 minutes. I actually turned off this MC vs. MKP travesty. Korean are always professional... hypocrites. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed that game
Yeah I'd prefer watching a crazy showmatch-style game over nothing anyday. If you don't want to watch it, you can always tune out - but probe-rushing at the beginning of a game denies viewers any sort of game at all. I didn't think what Naniwa did was that bad but it is pretty obvious that it is less acceptable than goofing around with fun builds.
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On January 08 2012 03:15 krews wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:12 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:08 Canucklehead wrote:On January 08 2012 03:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:[quote] The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around. Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble? I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup Prize 1st $7500 2nd $3500 3rd $2000 4th $1000 5-6th $300 7-8th $200 Still pretty damn serious. Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one. That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent. Sorry, not true. If naniwa 4 gated nestea in his thrown game, there would have been no controversy. It's how you do it that matters. The basis of the controversy is bullshit though. That's the point. People who complain about Naniwa pulling probes should be complaing to GOM for allowing stupid games like that to be played. No one wants to waste their time seeing pro's not play their best. Seeing MKP and MC screw around with stupid builds isn't entertaining because you know they're not playing their best. It's a waste of time, yet no one complains. It's inconsistent. a lot of people were entertained by the mkp vs mc games.. just because you weren't doesnt mean everyone wasn't
But thye're job isn't to entertain you...>_> Players shouldn't be punished because they don't entertain the crowd.
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On January 08 2012 03:15 Barkziee wrote:
WHo is the korean who casts with MKP and MC? is it Thewind?
TheWind is in korea...
The other korean guy with MKP and MC was SK.Reis
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NAAMA FIGHTING!!!!
Off-topic: Gotta love the double standards in this community.
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I believe the 3rd korean is MCs manager
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On January 08 2012 03:16 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:15 krews wrote:On January 08 2012 03:12 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:08 Canucklehead wrote:On January 08 2012 03:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
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Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble? I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup Prize 1st $7500 2nd $3500 3rd $2000 4th $1000 5-6th $300 7-8th $200 Still pretty damn serious. Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one. That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent. Sorry, not true. If naniwa 4 gated nestea in his thrown game, there would have been no controversy. It's how you do it that matters. The basis of the controversy is bullshit though. That's the point. People who complain about Naniwa pulling probes should be complaing to GOM for allowing stupid games like that to be played. No one wants to waste their time seeing pro's not play their best. Seeing MKP and MC screw around with stupid builds isn't entertaining because you know they're not playing their best. It's a waste of time, yet no one complains. It's inconsistent. a lot of people were entertained by the mkp vs mc games.. just because you weren't doesnt mean everyone wasn't But thye're job isn't to entertain you...>_> Players shouldn't be punished because they don't entertain the crowd.
can someone ban him already?
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It's gonna be so hard for grubby to advance he got to beat sound and dimaga got to lose to Darkforce.
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As someone who is learning a language it always amazes me how good these guys are at speaking fluently.
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I think TL needs a new rule where if you bring up Nani when he's not playing it's a warning. It'd make these threads so much better.
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On January 08 2012 03:15 brainox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:14 vthree wrote:I agree. I don't want to see players just fucking around (ingame) for 30 minutes. I actually turned off this MC vs. MKP travesty. Korean are always professional... hypocrites. The tournament is also in a different setting.. Do you think GSL casters would be drinking and swearing and having players cast and saying imba five million times? Just let it go. This is HSC and GSL is GSL. Khaldor will be casting later on so lets see^^
Oh wow people will get up in arms about anything LOL
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On January 08 2012 03:17 Roxor9999 wrote:
It's gonna be so hard for grubby to advance he got to beat sound and dimaga got to lose to Nightend.
yea  I had a feeling the winner of Dimaga vs Grubby would be the second spot. It's also darkforce dimaga has to lose to, not nightend
dimaga also has the better mapscore because he went 1-2 vs sound while grubby's loss is 0-2
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On January 08 2012 03:13 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:09 ninjamyst wrote:On January 08 2012 03:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:On January 08 2012 02:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Just tuned in to stream 2, battlecruisers in TvP? Can someone explain wtf is going on? The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around. Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble? I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup Prize 1st $7500 2nd $3500 3rd $2000 4th $1000 5-6th $300 7-8th $200 Still pretty damn serious. Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one. That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent. wow. you sound like a whining little kid trying to justify all the wrongs in the world. stop trying to defend Naniwa. he admitted himself that he was wrong and disrespectful. let it go. I really hate bringing it back up again, but how is he wrong exactly? There's just the fact that more people hated to see the probe rush, but there are definitely some guys who hate to see a fake game between MC & MKP as well, so it's the same boat in some people's eyes.
They are both advancing already so it would be stupid to show serious builds when they might have to play again later on? Anybody complaining should do so on reddit.
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On January 08 2012 03:14 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:12 JinDesu wrote:On January 08 2012 03:12 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:08 Canucklehead wrote:On January 08 2012 03:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
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Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble? I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup Prize 1st $7500 2nd $3500 3rd $2000 4th $1000 5-6th $300 7-8th $200 Still pretty damn serious. Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one. That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent. Sorry, not true. If naniwa 4 gated nestea in his thrown game, there would have been no controversy. It's how you do it that matters. The basis of the controversy is bullshit though. That's the point. People who complain about Naniwa pulling probes should be complaing to GOM for allowing stupid games like that to be played. No one wants to waste their time seeing pro's not play their best. Seeing MKP and MC screw around with stupid builds isn't entertaining because you know they're not playing their best. It's a waste of time, yet no one complains. It's inconsistent. I was entertained. Those two worked for the money. They're job isn't to entertain you. They're competing in a tournament to win money. They're job is to win. Once that objective is achieve or unreachable, they gain nothing from playing additional games.
They got fun and i got fun too. What's wrong with it?
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On January 08 2012 03:16 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:14 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:12 JinDesu wrote:On January 08 2012 03:12 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:08 Canucklehead wrote:On January 08 2012 03:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup Prize 1st $7500 2nd $3500 3rd $2000 4th $1000 5-6th $300 7-8th $200 Still pretty damn serious. Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one. That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent. Sorry, not true. If naniwa 4 gated nestea in his thrown game, there would have been no controversy. It's how you do it that matters. The basis of the controversy is bullshit though. That's the point. People who complain about Naniwa pulling probes should be complaing to GOM for allowing stupid games like that to be played. No one wants to waste their time seeing pro's not play their best. Seeing MKP and MC screw around with stupid builds isn't entertaining because you know they're not playing their best. It's a waste of time, yet no one complains. It's inconsistent. I was entertained. Those two worked for the money. They're job isn't to entertain you. They're competing in a tournament to win money. They're job is to win. Once that objective is achieve or unreachable, they gain nothing from playing additional games. Sorry, but without viewers being entertained, then there is no money.
If there's high level play, there'll be viewers. Empty tournament games like this are worse than ladder, there's no value in them.
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On January 08 2012 03:17 Roxor9999 wrote:
It's gonna be so hard for grubby to advance he got to beat sound and dimaga got to lose to Nightend.
No?
If Grubby beats sound 2-0, he will have 4-2 in maps, while Sound will have 4-4.
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On January 08 2012 03:15 Fyzar wrote:
@Khaldor
Thomas Kilian
Going to cast Nerchio vs. Hero together with HasuObs later on. Not sure about the exact time and stream though...
Khaldor is there xd? What the fuck ;p.
Yeah lol wtf?! Isnt he supposed to be in Korea??
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On January 08 2012 03:15 Shox85 wrote:
Who complains about MC vs. MKP just don't understand the Home Story Cup^^
indeed
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On January 08 2012 03:16 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:14 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:12 JinDesu wrote:On January 08 2012 03:12 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:08 Canucklehead wrote:On January 08 2012 03:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup Prize 1st $7500 2nd $3500 3rd $2000 4th $1000 5-6th $300 7-8th $200 Still pretty damn serious. Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one. That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent. Sorry, not true. If naniwa 4 gated nestea in his thrown game, there would have been no controversy. It's how you do it that matters. The basis of the controversy is bullshit though. That's the point. People who complain about Naniwa pulling probes should be complaing to GOM for allowing stupid games like that to be played. No one wants to waste their time seeing pro's not play their best. Seeing MKP and MC screw around with stupid builds isn't entertaining because you know they're not playing their best. It's a waste of time, yet no one complains. It's inconsistent. I was entertained. Those two worked for the money. They're job isn't to entertain you. They're competing in a tournament to win money. They're job is to win. Once that objective is achieve or unreachable, they gain nothing from playing additional games. Sorry, but without viewers being entertained, then there is no money.
really? youre saying that money means everything...remember that this started off as a VIDEO GAME...
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On January 08 2012 03:16 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:15 krews wrote:On January 08 2012 03:12 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:08 Canucklehead wrote:On January 08 2012 03:06 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
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Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble? I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup Prize 1st $7500 2nd $3500 3rd $2000 4th $1000 5-6th $300 7-8th $200 Still pretty damn serious. Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one. That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent. Sorry, not true. If naniwa 4 gated nestea in his thrown game, there would have been no controversy. It's how you do it that matters. The basis of the controversy is bullshit though. That's the point. People who complain about Naniwa pulling probes should be complaing to GOM for allowing stupid games like that to be played. No one wants to waste their time seeing pro's not play their best. Seeing MKP and MC screw around with stupid builds isn't entertaining because you know they're not playing their best. It's a waste of time, yet no one complains. It's inconsistent. a lot of people were entertained by the mkp vs mc games.. just because you weren't doesnt mean everyone wasn't But thye're job isn't to entertain you...>_> Players shouldn't be punished because they don't entertain the crowd.
That's just naive of you, if the viewers aren't entertained then there's no esports, we go back to playing by ourselves in a dark room scratching our butts.
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On January 08 2012 03:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 03:17 Roxor9999 wrote:
It's gonna be so hard for grubby to advance he got to beat sound and dimaga got to lose to Nightend. yea I had a feeling the winner of Dimaga vs Grubby would be the second spot. It's also darkforce dimaga has to lose to, not nightend
Woops you're right, but here's hoping.
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