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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 07 2012 18:06 GMT
#2661
On January 08 2012 03:05 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Just tuned in to stream 2, battlecruisers in TvP? Can someone explain wtf is going on?


The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around.


Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble?


Like others are saying, there's a difference between petulantly a-moving probes and taking his hands off the keyboard, and MKP/MC putting on a fun showmatch.

Sure, both are "throwing" the match, but there are different degrees, and one is a much more acceptable form of behavior than the other.

Think of it in real sports terms. Two football teams are forced to play meaningless matches (not against each other). One football team decides to "throw" its last meaningless match by sitting out and pouting. The other team decides to take 30 meter shots on the goal every chance it gets, and tries to do a lot of fancy footwork and tricks. Which team do you think will be lambasted by the media?

Both.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
January 07 2012 18:06 GMT
#2662
TvP mech. This isn't a serious game either.
Liquid`Bunny
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark145 Posts
January 07 2012 18:06 GMT
#2663
MECH VS PROTOSS YESSSHH!!!
Team Liquid
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 07 2012 18:06 GMT
#2664
wait why are the starting the next group when group A isnt finished?
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
January 07 2012 18:06 GMT
#2665
On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:
On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Just tuned in to stream 2, battlecruisers in TvP? Can someone explain wtf is going on?


The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around.


Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble?

I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup

Prize

1st $7500
2nd $3500
3rd $2000
4th $1000
5-6th $300
7-8th $200

Still pretty damn serious.


Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not

There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one.

That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
January 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#2666
On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Just tuned in to stream 2, battlecruisers in TvP? Can someone explain wtf is going on?


The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around.


Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble?

I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup

Prize

1st $7500
2nd $3500
3rd $2000
4th $1000
5-6th $300
7-8th $200

Still pretty damn serious.


Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not


No but HSC does. Never has been serious. Also, MC/MKP did'nt just probe rush but provided entertainment. Apples to oranges.
MC for president
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
January 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#2667
On January 08 2012 03:02 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 03:01 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two on Terminus RE

In the left position is MC

While in the right is MKP

2:10


Barracks and gateway in production

3:00


Gas for MKP

4:00


Warp tech for MC

Expansion for MKP

6:00


Expansion and two gates for MC


7:00


Siege tech for MKP

MC getting the gas at his natural


8:00

Robo for MC

Double factory for MKP


9:00


Engineering bay for Marineking while building a lot of reactors

MC making a twilight council while pushing the front of MKP
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
January 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#2668
On January 08 2012 03:05 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Just tuned in to stream 2, battlecruisers in TvP? Can someone explain wtf is going on?


The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around.


Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble?


Like others are saying, there's a difference between petulantly a-moving probes and taking his hands off the keyboard, and MKP/MC putting on a fun showmatch.

Sure, both are "throwing" the match, but there are different degrees, and one is a much more acceptable form of behavior than the other.

Think of it in real sports terms. Two football teams are forced to play meaningless matches (not against each other). One football team decides to "throw" its last meaningless match by sitting out and pouting. The other team decides to take 30 meter shots on the goal every chance it gets, and tries to do a lot of fancy footwork and tricks. Which team do you think will be lambasted by the media?


There's also something to be said for NaNi's method of not wasting the audiences time. Most people want to see players try their absolute best or just not play at all.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#2669
Mech on terminus g2 of MC MKP on take2 lol
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
zYwi3c
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland1811 Posts
January 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#2670
MKP playing mech vs Protoss.

Artosis dreams came true.
I'm getting the derection.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
January 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#2671
Lol. 3 factory reactor hellion? Seriously?
stipe145
Profile Joined December 2010
764 Posts
January 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#2672
3 reactors? Mass Hellions?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
January 07 2012 18:07 GMT
#2673
On January 08 2012 03:02 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 03:01 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two on Terminus RE

In the left position is MC

While in the right is MKP

2:10


Barracks and gateway in production

3:00


Gas for MKP

4:00


Warp tech for MC

Expansion for MKP

6:00


Expansion and two gates for MC


7:00


Siege tech for MKP

MC getting the gas at his natural

8:00

Robo for MC

Double factory for MKP


9:00


Engineering bay for Marineking while building a lot of reactors

MC making a twilight council while pushing the front of MKP


10:00


Blue flame for MKP

Immortal and blink for MC along with more gates
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-07 18:08:26
January 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#2674
On January 08 2012 03:06 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 03:04 discobaas wrote:
On January 08 2012 03:03 Linwelin wrote:
On January 08 2012 03:01 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Just tuned in to stream 2, battlecruisers in TvP? Can someone explain wtf is going on?


The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around.


Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble?

I think HSC is less serious than Blizzard cup

Prize

1st $7500
2nd $3500
3rd $2000
4th $1000
5-6th $300
7-8th $200

Still pretty damn serious.


Prize pool doesn't determine whether a tournament is serious or not

There's a big difference between disrespectfully throwing a game and playing an awesome long game, albeit a little unconventional one.

That's such fucking bullshit. You can't control the quality of games, all you can do is create circumstances that will lead to the best games. MC and MKP playing a fake game is the exact same as Naniwa pulling 6 probes and saying fuck it. Just because you like one, doesn't make it better. If you're going to be a stickler, at least be consistent.


Sorry, not true. If naniwa 4 gated nestea in his thrown game, there would have been no controversy. It's how you do it that matters.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#2675
mass hellions are really good. i use it all the time in 3v3 and 4v4
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
January 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#2676
On January 08 2012 03:01 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 02:51 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
wow, darkforce really playing awfully.. again a foreigner choking against a korean. this game it was clearly not about skill, it was about nerves :/


Maybe, but I get the impression that foreigners usually lack the "kill-instinct", the gamesense to know when to just counter attack and kill your opponent. Darkforce crushed several of Sound's pushes, but he sat back and did not press his advantage at all, allowing Sound to recover and continue pushing until he had a good engagement, after which the game snowballed away from Darkforce.

It also reminds me of Haypro vs MVP game 3 at Providence, where Haypro had just crushed MVP's main push, but then sat back and starting droning again (he already had like 60-70 drones), at a time when MVP had very little army, certainly not enough to defend all his bases. Once again, the lack of the "kill-instinct" led to the Korean victory.


darkforce engaged marines with mutas again and again and again.. the same in the game between dimaga and sound (i think?), things i have never seen those players do againt other foreigners.. just a-moving and hoping for the best :S
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
January 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#2677
On January 08 2012 03:06 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 03:05 Qaatar wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:58 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:57 Demonaz wrote:
On January 08 2012 02:56 Exarl25 wrote:
Just tuned in to stream 2, battlecruisers in TvP? Can someone explain wtf is going on?


The result is meaningless, since they both are already through. So they are just messing around.


Didn't that get naniwa into a lot of trouble?


Like others are saying, there's a difference between petulantly a-moving probes and taking his hands off the keyboard, and MKP/MC putting on a fun showmatch.

Sure, both are "throwing" the match, but there are different degrees, and one is a much more acceptable form of behavior than the other.

Think of it in real sports terms. Two football teams are forced to play meaningless matches (not against each other). One football team decides to "throw" its last meaningless match by sitting out and pouting. The other team decides to take 30 meter shots on the goal every chance it gets, and tries to do a lot of fancy footwork and tricks. Which team do you think will be lambasted by the media?

Both.


Uh, pretty sure the first will be receiving a hell of a lot more shit.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
January 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#2678
Lol, if mass helions will actually work it'll break my brain :p
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
January 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#2679
On January 08 2012 03:02 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 03:01 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two on Terminus RE

In the left position is MC

While in the right is MKP

2:10


Barracks and gateway in production

3:00


Gas for MKP

4:00


Warp tech for MC

Expansion for MKP

6:00


Expansion and two gates for MC


7:00


Siege tech for MKP

MC getting the gas at his natural

8:00

Robo for MC

Double factory for MKP


9:00


Engineering bay for Marineking while building a lot of reactors

MC making a twilight council while pushing the front of MKP


10:00


Blue flame for MKP

Immortal and blink for MC along with more gates


11:00


Inca abducted MC and built a Dark shrine

MKP moving to attack Inca
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
January 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#2680
MKP's basically doing a 2 base mech all in.
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