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Losira is 2-3 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 5-2
Not a great map for Losira. He's yet to record a ZvZ win on this map, losing to July and Nestea. Speaking of July, he's the only person DRG has played in a ZvZ on this map. DRG won both games. CLOUD KINGDOM
Losira is 1-0 on this map in the GSL, while DRG has yet to play (wait, what?)
Seems like a good time to talk about our players' ZvZ win rates, since there isn't exactly much to go on right now map-wise.
Losira's win-rate in ZvZs is pretty impressive, with a 64% overall. Don't forget, 5 of those losses were to Nestea as well. On the flip side, DRG's record is even more impressive, with a 69% win-rate. On top of that, the only person to beat DRG in a ELO-ranked ZvZ in Korea is Stephano! DAYBREAK
Losira is 4-2 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 7-2
I half feel like July palyed the most ZvZs ever, because i've mentioned him about as much as our actual players! And he's here again, beating and losing to DRG on Daybreak. That with a win over Sen puts DRG at 2-1. Losira is 1-1, losing to Nestea but beating Check DUAL SIGHT
Losira is 5-4 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 12-3 (holy crap!)
DRG's sitting on a nice unbeaten record in Dual Sight in ZvZs, with a 5-0 record overall (wins include FD and Leenock). Losira's isn't as hot, only going 2-2. And one of those wins was against MC as Zerg, so METROPOLIS
Losira is 1-0 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 1-1
Losira holds the honour of being the only Zerg to win a ZvZ on Metrolopolis, beating July (God July's come up a lot today!) DRG is 1-1, beating rainbow, and losing to MKP.
Speaking of which, with have yet to talk about their head-to-head count. Their only game so far has been on Metalopolis, with DRG taking the win
Only now do I realize how little I got for my $5. It's already the finals! I'd love a long, epic finals. Sadly, ZvZ probably won't deliver this. Still, good players. Who is casting?
It doesn't matter who will win, the true king of kongs will be MKP. Look on Liquidpedia on his results: 3 second places in major GSL editions. He even took second in Code A (LosirA actually won Code A btw...). Oh well, MKP will become second to ThorZaIN in the HSC IV so he will prove it soon enough again =)
ZvZ finals......well,
first scenario (not likely): series will play out like NesTea vs. IdrA in the MLG Global Invitational in longer = total awesomeness second scenario (very likely): series will play out like July vs. LosirA in (a tiny bit) longer = total suckage
Let's hope the first scenario will happen, but I fear it is almost inevitable that the finals will suck x.O
Prediction: DRG destroys all of Losira's army, but, just as his mutas close in on Losira's base, he realises what winning would mean and GGs. DRG wins the next GSL. Losira wins nothing.
On January 05 2012 07:38 Hassybaby wrote: In all honesty. If anyone would give us an epic ZvZ, it would be these two. Nestea's.....boring! And Leenock's pretty standard.
LongDongRaeGu will take this one for sure. The only chance for Losira is to take a sip from Nesteas fountain of wisdom but I don't think Nestea will let him do that...
On January 05 2012 07:38 Hassybaby wrote: In all honesty. If anyone would give us an epic ZvZ, it would be these two. Nestea's.....boring! And Leenock's pretty standard.
EDIT: AND WHERE'S MY MAP POOL!
Nestea is boring in zvz? Wut? I give Nestea the most credit in changing my opinion on this matchup from hated to enjoyable. His zvz is art.....although admittedly that might not be true with his recent play :p.
Anyway, DRG should take it. Hoping for the Losiracat to win though.
The games will probably suck, but only because it's AOL, not because it's zvz. I really feel like this matchup can be quite good at times, maybe not as good as tvt but still leagues above pvp and if it's played by top level zergs like these two it can be better than pvt/pvz. Maybe I'm just weird >.>...
On January 05 2012 08:41 Chunhyang wrote: Either of these guys winning feels like a sham kong at the moment. I can totally see both of them winning GSL's in their own right soon.
On January 05 2012 07:38 Hassybaby wrote: In all honesty. If anyone would give us an epic ZvZ, it would be these two. Nestea's.....boring! And Leenock's pretty standard.
EDIT: AND WHERE'S MY MAP POOL!
Nestea is boring in zvz? Wut? I give Nestea the most credit in changing my opinion on this matchup from hated to enjoyable. His zvz is art.....although admittedly that might not be true with his recent play :p.
Anyway, DRG should take it. Hoping for the Losiracat to win though.
The games will probably suck, but only because it's AOL, not because it's zvz. I really feel like this matchup can be quite good at times, maybe not as good as tvt but still leagues above pvp and if it's played by top level zergs like these two it can be better than pvt/pvz. Maybe I'm just weird >.>...
Now, you see...I find that boring. Its the Artosis/InControl thing. I wanna see banelings barely missing a group of lings, muta battles galore, a critical fungal on a group of units, fires, explosions, everything. Screw figuring out anything, lemme see a gory death on both sides, and one person coming out the victor, bloody and tired.
On January 05 2012 07:38 Hassybaby wrote: In all honesty. If anyone would give us an epic ZvZ, it would be these two. Nestea's.....boring! And Leenock's pretty standard.
EDIT: AND WHERE'S MY MAP POOL!
IT'S COMING! IT'S COMING!!!
Just not here yet :/
Bud I need to go to bed soon....may just do the same thing I did today....
I think that IdrA vs Nestea was some of the best, most watchable ZvZ I've ever seen. You could see the genius in their play. Having seen that, I would say that Nestea's ZvZ is only boring because he's so much better - just like for a long period of time everyone thought MVP was boring, because he always won easily. Now that he's played closer, tenser games, he's much more fun to watch (MVP vs Leenock, anyone?).
If other Zergs improved to Nestea's ZvZ level consistently, ZvZ would IMO be consistently really fun to watch. I would imagine that DRG vs Nestea would be pretty good.
On January 05 2012 08:45 Kurr wrote: Who is the true king of kongs... the one who wins, or the one who loses? I think that is a more important question than the actual result.
The winner since Yellow won a lot of special events
On January 05 2012 08:56 babylon wrote: Doesn't LosirA have a much better ZvZ than DRG (whose ZvZ seems to be sporadic at best)?
hmm, DRGs ZvZ is pretty good and I`ld bet on him in this match.
Really? Hmmm. I've always thought it looked really unimpressive, especially with him almost getting defeated by FD at IEM, then getting killed by Leenock even though he was up a series. It's not bad ... situationally. But it just seems unstable.
LosirA was known to have the second-best ZvZ just a few months ago; I don't see why he should suddenly be considered a walk-over for DRG (the poll from the first page is really one-sided). The TLPD looks one-sided but DRG has so few games that it's hard to draw a conclusion, and most of his games are played against pretty low-caliber ZvZ players anyways. Meanwhile, LosirA has more games and often plays against higher-caliber opponents in multiple Bo3+'s (and has five losses from NesTea).
Well Seeker, you've done it again. Excellent job with the Threads you put up every Tourney. I think Losira will take this one out, however I hope performs better this time than he did against Nestea in the GSL final last year...
On January 05 2012 10:24 jinixxx123 wrote: the true king of the kongs will be the person who gets 2nd place in this tournament and not the winner.
Nice try but not quite. This tourny is about who is the KING of the kongs and therefore the second place would be the queen (or whatever is second to a king) of the kongs.
On January 05 2012 10:24 jinixxx123 wrote: the true king of the kongs will be the person who gets 2nd place in this tournament and not the winner.
Nice try but not quite. This tourny is about who is the KING of the kongs and therefore the second place would be the queen (or whatever is second to a king) of the kongs.
Nice try but not quite. The king is and will always be MarineKingPrime. No matter what
Did marine king lose his last match because he knew that 1st place or 2nd place would = 1st place in this tournament so by getting 3/4th place he effectively gets 2nd place???
Losira vs DRG ZvZ is the best ZvZ we could ever hope for. If you watch GSTL these two had a ZvZ that passed the 25 minutes mark, absolutely amazing games to be had tonight.
On January 05 2012 14:22 RPR_Tempest wrote: LoSirA's ZvZ is a lot better than DongRaeGu's based off what we've seen.
Considering that Losira is trained by nestea...that's hard to argue. Though DRG's ZvZ is no slouch either, it has some ridiculous winrates and he won the last game that they had together.
On January 05 2012 14:22 RPR_Tempest wrote: LoSirA's ZvZ is a lot better than DongRaeGu's based off what we've seen.
Considering that Losira is trained by nestea...that's hard to argue. Though DRG's ZvZ is no slouch either, it has some ridiculous winrates and he won the last game that they had together.
watch DRG vs Losira from GSTL very close game. DRG is on a hot streak right now i would say he is better
On January 05 2012 15:02 trinxified wrote: ZvZ is a guaranteed fail of a finals. Can't be worse than any of the other mirror matchups.
Even PvP is more appealing... Sadly, it's very rare to see PvP finals because of racial imbalance.
ZvZ is really entertaining, PvP has a hard time keeping up in my mind...zvz is a micro war at the beg of the game to see if they don't make any micro mistakes, if they do it gets messy. And macro can be lingblingmuta vs roachhydra into infests for both. It's like TvT biovsmech zerg style.
On January 05 2012 15:02 trinxified wrote: ZvZ is a guaranteed fail of a finals. Can't be worse than any of the other mirror matchups.
Even PvP is more appealing... Sadly, it's very rare to see PvP finals because of racial imbalance.
ZvZ is really entertaining, PvP has a hard time keeping up in my mind...zvz is a micro war at the beg of the game to see if they don't make any micro mistakes, if they do it gets messy. And macro can be lingblingmuta vs roachhydra into infests for both. It's like TvT biovsmech zerg style.
Also I agree P needs to be figured out. T.T
I agree, as a spectator who has never played the game before, I thoroughly enjoy watching high calibre ZvZ
For BoX, ZvZ rewards player skill. If one player is so much better than the other, it will result in a 1sided stomp. If both are equally matched (both mindgames and mechanics), it can be beautiful to watch. Transition from 1 of the most mechanically demanding phase into a dynamic mid-game. Mutas, hydras, infestors are all viable. Both going roach infestors are pretty boring though if the map doesn't allow for multi-pronged attacks. DRG definitely has an edge going into this series. No zergs would ever want to play with him in a low eco baneling game, and it could be helpful for his meta-gaming.
On January 05 2012 15:02 trinxified wrote: ZvZ is a guaranteed fail of a finals. Can't be worse than any of the other mirror matchups.
Even PvP is more appealing... Sadly, it's very rare to see PvP finals because of racial imbalance.
ZvZ is really entertaining, PvP has a hard time keeping up in my mind...zvz is a micro war at the beg of the game to see if they don't make any micro mistakes, if they do it gets messy. And macro can be lingblingmuta vs roachhydra into infests for both. It's like TvT biovsmech zerg style.
Also I agree P needs to be figured out. T.T
I feel like PvP is one of the most technical match ups. Scouting is more important than in any other match up. Miss one pylon and you can lose. Miss a tech switch, you lose. Then there's the fat that up until the 10 minute mark or so losing a single unit can lose you the game. Then you add in the power for micro has a incredibly large impact on every fight and its a really complex, interesting match up.
Sadly, to non-protoss players a lot of this isn't apparent because they just see short stomp games and don't necessarily get the significance of a lot of stuff.
Dunno if someone asked this already but.... Does anyone know what happened to YellOw??? Did he quit SC2 after not making Code A? -_- I hope he's still playing...
On January 05 2012 16:38 Shinta) wrote: Dunno if someone asked this already but.... Does anyone know what happened to YellOw??? Did he quit SC2 after not making Code A? -_- I hope he's still playing...
He quit. He's playing professional poker now, last I read about him.
It's kinda odd to call DRG a kong...seeing how (right now) he has a legitimate chance to break "#2" (in the gsl)...so losira should get the title of kong, since he'll get 2nd place of this tournament? :DDDDD/
Oops, I voted DRG but meant Losira. Eyes too tired. Losira's ZvZ is pretty dang good if I remember right. DRG is just all around great lately, but I think Losira will do it.
On January 05 2012 17:58 Hall0wed wrote: Yeah gonna watch a little of M!Countdown over this at points, though not the best line-up tonight so I'll mostly be watching this series.
I'm baller I guess cause I'm watching both. at least until my head dies and I need to sleep or something.
On January 05 2012 18:02 zhurai wrote: ... I don't know this song~ T.T >>
EDIT: M! Countdown started too~
Well, then you're fired
T_________T
... wait I was hired for this in the first place? ._. lawl
No. I had this job, then u kind of barged your way in
>_> ... t.t
but how can you fire me if you didn't hire me~ and I thought you said you didn't care, and you were just gonna do it anyways - even if someone else was doing it? :s
oh well
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A pink #3 ~~ on M!Countdown oo
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Go ... well I like both of these players so go long epic games!
On January 05 2012 18:02 zhurai wrote: ... I don't know this song~ T.T >>
EDIT: M! Countdown started too~
Well, then you're fired
T_________T
... wait I was hired for this in the first place? ._. lawl
No. I had this job, then u kind of barged your way in
>_> ... t.t
but how can you fire me if you didn't hire me~ and I thought you said you didn't care, and you were just gonna do it anyways - even if someone else was doing it? :s
oh well
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A pink #3 ~~ on M!Countdown oo
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Go ... well I like both of these players so go long epic games!
On January 05 2012 18:13 Trauma.Fss wrote: i just fucking LOVE staying up all week/all night and having a non live solo casted semi finals/finals god i love this shit!
How does this being cast from replays effect anything at all? The tournament is online, so it doesn't really matter a jack if it's cast off replays or not. :p
Losira is 2-3 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 5-2
Not a great map for Losira. He's yet to record a ZvZ win on this map, losing to July and Nestea. Speaking of July, he's the only person DRG has played in a ZvZ on this map. DRG won both games.
On January 05 2012 18:14 Severian wrote: DRG's openings are consistently just a liiiiiiiittle bit quicker than the opponent when I watch him ZvZ.
Well DRG is probably the most refined zerg there is, followed by leenock and losira. Nestea is great, and he's far from unrefined, but his gameplay is more decision making based than the zergs I mentioned.
that's the only thing DRG could do and losira fell for it. DRG transferred all his drones to his natural so losira wouldn't know DRG was massing lings. maybe you should pay attention moletrap.
Losira is 2-0 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 1-0
I feel silly doing stats for maps that are only in this tournament so far....oh wait, Entombed Valley was used before! Hooray....oh there were no ZvZs.... Losira holds the honour of being the only Zerg to win a ZvZ on this map, and his massive 2-0 lead is impressive. However, DRG's 1-0 record is also good, just twice as bad as Losira's :D
On January 05 2012 18:22 Seeker wrote: ENTOMBED VALLEY
Losira is 2-0 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 1-0
I feel silly doing stats for maps that are only in this tournament so far....oh wait, Entombed Valley was used before! Hooray....oh there were no ZvZs.... Losira holds the honour of being the only Zerg to win a ZvZ on this map, and his massive 2-0 lead is impressive. However, DRG's 1-0 record is also good, just twice as bad as Losira's :D
On January 05 2012 18:21 Severian wrote: Losira droned up the entire time while DRG just built constant lings from the moment his attack was repulsed.
Yeh, Losira should have been scouting DRG more often. Losira knew he was way ahead.
no ling speed, he couldn't get any lings past DRG's speedlings, and DRG was using queens to keep the overlords out. It's difficult to get information when you go roach like that in ZvZ.
On January 05 2012 18:22 Seeker wrote: ENTOMBED VALLEY
Losira is 2-0 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 1-0
I feel silly doing stats for maps that are only in this tournament so far....oh wait, Entombed Valley was used before! Hooray....oh there were no ZvZs.... Losira holds the honour of being the only Zerg to win a ZvZ on this map, and his massive 2-0 lead is impressive. However, DRG's 1-0 record is also good, just twice as bad as Losira's :D
On January 05 2012 18:21 Severian wrote: Losira droned up the entire time while DRG just built constant lings from the moment his attack was repulsed.
Yeh, Losira should have been scouting DRG more often. Losira knew he was way ahead.
DRG also kept all of his lings/blings inside of his base, and systematically cleared out overlords so that he could remain unscouted. He also attacked as soon as Losira stopped making drones. It couldnt've gone much better, really.
On January 05 2012 18:22 Seeker wrote: ENTOMBED VALLEY
Losira is 2-0 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 1-0
I feel silly doing stats for maps that are only in this tournament so far....oh wait, Entombed Valley was used before! Hooray....oh there were no ZvZs.... Losira holds the honour of being the only Zerg to win a ZvZ on this map, and his massive 2-0 lead is impressive. However, DRG's 1-0 record is also good, just twice as bad as Losira's :D
Something feels so wrong here....damn you work!
QQ much?
Quiet you. Wait till you get a job with a shitty PC and no really time to LR. Then TL Live Report threads would almost die, except for Virgil, who will turn into you!
And Draz and I will be facepalming at work, wondering what the hell we just did....
On January 05 2012 18:22 Linz wrote: And that's why 99% of Z don't go roaches after FE >>
Its fine, just have to scout for the allin
But with that late of a ling speed, scouting is near impossible on that map with OL's against a good Z, such as DRG. At least, that's what I would think ;-)
On January 05 2012 18:22 Linz wrote: And that's why 99% of Z don't go roaches after FE >>
Its fine, just have to scout for the allin
But with that late of a ling speed, scouting is near impossible on that map with OL's against a good Z, such as DRG. At least, that's what I would think ;-)
I thought Losira got ling speed with his first 100 gas? That would have been in time.
Did he skip it for roaches? If so the first game makes way more sense.
On January 05 2012 18:22 Linz wrote: And that's why 99% of Z don't go roaches after FE >>
Its fine, just have to scout for the allin
But with that late of a ling speed, scouting is near impossible on that map with OL's against a good Z, such as DRG. At least, that's what I would think ;-)
I thought Losira got ling speed with his first 100 gas? That would have been in time.
Did he skip it for roaches? If so the first game makes way more sense.
Yeah, he did. His ling speed was about 30 seconds complete when DRG attacked, I think.
On January 05 2012 18:30 DKaidon wrote: I must say i like Moletrap a lot, but this final deserves a lot more hype imo, 2 bad the casting archon is away
They're taking a vacation or break or whatever again. It's so rough to work like two days a week, so no wonder they're not casting this.
On January 05 2012 18:30 DKaidon wrote: I must say i like Moletrap a lot, but this final deserves a lot more hype imo, 2 bad the casting archon is away
They're taking a vacation or break or whatever again. It's so rough to work like two days a week, so no wonder they're not casting this.
...Overseer flies over Infestation Pit... Moletrap says that DRG knows that there is no fear of Spire or Infestation Pit... It was clear on screen... We all saw it...
On January 05 2012 18:22 Linz wrote: And that's why 99% of Z don't go roaches after FE >>
Its fine, just have to scout for the allin
But with that late of a ling speed, scouting is near impossible on that map with OL's against a good Z, such as DRG. At least, that's what I would think ;-)
I thought Losira got ling speed with his first 100 gas? That would have been in time.
Did he skip it for roaches? If so the first game makes way more sense.
Yeah, he did. His ling speed was about 30 seconds complete when DRG attacked, I think.
On January 05 2012 18:32 Diamond wrote: Dat Shark :D
Gotta say really like the map from the games that have been shown on it ^^. Lots of rocks to please Dustin too, so with any luck it will be picked to go in the ladderpool.
<3
On January 05 2012 18:34 artrea wrote: How well does the changeling work in ZvZ ? That is, how hard is it to spot as Zerg ?
It works kind of well, the only way you can spot it is from the slower movement speed and they are so small they often make you snipe your own stuff I.E. Roaches or Infestors even if you misclick.
On January 05 2012 18:30 DKaidon wrote: I must say i like Moletrap a lot, but this final deserves a lot more hype imo, 2 bad the casting archon is away
They're taking a vacation or break or whatever again. It's so rough to work like two days a week, so no wonder they're not casting this.
Lol...... sarcasm much?
No I just appreciate hard working men like them.. cough cough.
On January 05 2012 18:34 Hall0wed wrote: ...Overseer flies over Infestation Pit... Moletrap says that DRG knows that there is no fear of Spire or Infestation Pit... It was clear on screen... We all saw it...
To be fair, he's the only guy talking for like the last half hour, you're bound to make a mistake or three when having to talk non-stop. Even the best sports casters make obvious mistakes, it happens.
Losira is 4-2 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 7-2
I half feel like July palyed the most ZvZs ever, because i've mentioned him about as much as our actual players! And he's here again, beating and losing to DRG on Daybreak. That with a win over Sen puts DRG at 2-1. Losira is 1-1, losing to Nestea but beating Check
On January 05 2012 18:34 Hall0wed wrote: ...Overseer flies over Infestation Pit... Moletrap says that DRG knows that there is no fear of Spire or Infestation Pit... It was clear on screen... We all saw it...
To be fair, he's the only guy talking for like the last half hour, you're bound to make a mistake or three when having to talk non-stop. Even the best sports casters make obvious mistakes, it happens.
He was going on and on about something completely false even though what you could see on the screen completely contrasted that, and that was just the second game.
I don't hate Moletrap, he is a solid caster, but I can't help but get pissed when casters say a LOT of things that are so horribly wrong like that.
I don't know why DRG doesn't go for more economic builds in ZvZ, considering how good he is at holding off early aggression in ZvT and how good is macro is.
On January 05 2012 18:40 Severian wrote: I don't know why DRG doesn't go for more economic builds in ZvZ, considering how good he is at holding off early aggression in ZvT and how good is macro is.
Because DRG knows he's a better mechanical player than losira he's playing to his strength.
On January 05 2012 18:34 Hall0wed wrote: ...Overseer flies over Infestation Pit... Moletrap says that DRG knows that there is no fear of Spire or Infestation Pit... It was clear on screen... We all saw it...
To be fair, he's the only guy talking for like the last half hour, you're bound to make a mistake or three when having to talk non-stop. Even the best sports casters make obvious mistakes, it happens.
He was going on and on about something completely false even though what you could see on the screen completely contrasted that, and that was just the second game.
I don't hate Moletrap, he is a solid caster, but I can't help but get pissed when casters say a LOT of things that are so horribly wrong like that.
Understandable I'm just always in awe of these casters that can talk for like an hour straight by themselves. I know if I tried casting by myself for an hour, I'd be looking like a complete fool by like 15 minutes in :D
On January 05 2012 18:34 Hall0wed wrote: ...Overseer flies over Infestation Pit... Moletrap says that DRG knows that there is no fear of Spire or Infestation Pit... It was clear on screen... We all saw it...
To be fair, he's the only guy talking for like the last half hour, you're bound to make a mistake or three when having to talk non-stop. Even the best sports casters make obvious mistakes, it happens.
He was going on and on about something completely false even though what you could see on the screen completely contrasted that, and that was just the second game.
I don't hate Moletrap, he is a solid caster, but I can't help but get pissed when casters say a LOT of things that are so horribly wrong like that.
Understandable I'm just always in awe of these casters that can talk for like an hour straight by themselves. I know if I tried casting by myself for an hour, I'd be looking like a complete fool by like 15 minutes in :D
Differences are, we don't get pay to cast. They do. They should really try their best to do a better job. As far as I've seen, non of them attempt to improve.
On January 05 2012 18:46 neoghaleon55 wrote: Is it me or does Losira react very poorly to early pressure? ZvT and ZvZ... I dont think he has the steel cool calmness of DRG.
Did you watch him vs July yesterday?
Looked fine then, but I do think DRG outclasses him.
On January 05 2012 18:34 Hall0wed wrote: ...Overseer flies over Infestation Pit... Moletrap says that DRG knows that there is no fear of Spire or Infestation Pit... It was clear on screen... We all saw it...
To be fair, he's the only guy talking for like the last half hour, you're bound to make a mistake or three when having to talk non-stop. Even the best sports casters make obvious mistakes, it happens.
He was going on and on about something completely false even though what you could see on the screen completely contrasted that, and that was just the second game.
I don't hate Moletrap, he is a solid caster, but I can't help but get pissed when casters say a LOT of things that are so horribly wrong like that.
Understandable I'm just always in awe of these casters that can talk for like an hour straight by themselves. I know if I tried casting by myself for an hour, I'd be looking like a complete fool by like 15 minutes in :D
Differences are, we don't get pay to cast. They do. They should really try their best to do a better job. As far as I've seen, non of them attempt to improve.
Tastosis spends tons of time prepping for each individual cast and constantly help eachother improve and work on improving as a unit. Which makes sense since they are above and beyond everyone else out there by far.
On January 05 2012 18:49 Lysanias wrote: Meh losira why overdroning no units at all but a few hydra's. Nice play from DRG.
He was still behind in drones. DRG just had the 3rd base up earlier and hit as soon as the income kicked in. DRG droned straight to 70 as soon as his 3rd completed. Losira's money was going into tech, spores, and replacing overlords.
Why are there so many impersonations of progamers as females? I have nothing against.. you know. But that offends me to see my favorite player as Alice. That's straight up... not straight. Make him Bruce Lee or Schwarzenegger or anything that resembles generally accepted positive qualities of a successful man. Why the hell is he a 12 year old girl?!
Losira is 5-4 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 12-3 (holy crap!)
DRG's sitting on a nice unbeaten record in Dual Sight in ZvZs, with a 5-0 record overall (wins include FD and Leenock). Losira's isn't as hot, only going 2-2. And one of those wins was against MC as Zerg, so
On January 05 2012 18:50 Reasonable wrote: Why are there so many impersonations of progamers as females? I have nothing against.. you know. But that offends me to see my favorite player as Alice. That's straight up... not straight. Make him Bruce Lee or Schwarzenegger or anything that resembles generally accepted positive qualities of a successful man. Why the hell is he a 12 year old girl?!
Maybe he's a big fan of Alice Cooper! You never now
Losira is 1-0 on this map in the GSL, while DRG is 1-1
Losira holds the honour of being the only Zerg to win a ZvZ on Metrolopolis, beating July (God July's come up a lot today!) DRG is 1-1, beating rainbow, and losing to MKP.
Speaking of which, with have yet to talk about their head-to-head count. Their only game so far has been on Metalopolis, with DRG taking the win
.....I get the feeling that Nestea is with-holding all his genius ZvZ plays from Losira Poor Losira-cat. DRG is making him look like a nub in these games. It's like the freaking GSL final against nestea all over again. ...poor kid's going to have nightmares for a week.
DRG should play like this every game. Instead of timing attacks, rely on heavy pressure on keep his opponent honest. Nobody can keep up with his unit control and multitasking.
On January 05 2012 19:02 babysimba wrote: DRG should play like this every game. Instead of timing attacks, rely on heavy pressure on keep his opponent honest. Nobody can keep up with his unit control and multitasking.
Its pretty amazing, but I think it only works in ZvZ
On January 05 2012 19:02 babysimba wrote: DRG should play like this every game. Instead of timing attacks, rely on heavy pressure on keep his opponent honest. Nobody can keep up with his unit control and multitasking.
Its pretty amazing, but I think it only works in ZvZ
On January 05 2012 19:02 babysimba wrote: DRG should play like this every game. Instead of timing attacks, rely on heavy pressure on keep his opponent honest. Nobody can keep up with his unit control and multitasking.
Its pretty amazing, but I think it only works in ZvZ
Don't get how people still have missed it. It is even written clearly on the OP. "A true kong is the king of special events." They never wins the main tournaments but wins the special events (like this one).
I have to say that was very poor casting by Moletrap... He couldn't tell many times whether DRG had lair even if +2 was being researched or another lair upgrade. There were many times where he said "I don't know ____" which isn't exactly the best image you want to put as a caster. Like he doesn't know Losira's upgrades even though the production tab is on the entire time and he mentions that they were going down similar upgrade paths.
He doesn't seem to have a very good grasp of ZvZ or zerg in general and this was overall very low quality casting. Why does the average player who watched know that DRG canceled 2 spines (based on the amount of money he got back) but Moletrap thinks its 2 evo chambers even though DRG already had an evo chamber? The whole cast showed that Moletrap doesn't really know what he's talking about (or at least this cast implied that) and overall it made the slaughter by DRG even more boring than it already was....
Moletrap is soooo bad at casting....he's questioning himself all the time and it's over things he should know easily since he is afterall watching the game. For example on the last game he kept questioning whether or not DRG had a lair but he did obviously since he had roach speed and you could see in the production tab that he was upgrading plus 2 attacks. After his 6 minute ramble about whether he had lair or not he came to the conclusion that he wasn't sure and just moved on. Arrrrrg!!!
On January 05 2012 19:16 DrPandaPhD wrote: Don't get how people still have missed it. It is even written clearly on the OP. "A true kong is the king of special events." They never wins the main tournaments but wins the special events (like this one).
Terribad casting, completely un-inspiring. Other than that, we can clearly see that rainbow is a washed up player incapable of even cheesing properly and that MKP is over-hyped and is actually way past his PRIME. LOL.
Leenock had a shitty loss that I can only attribute to either mental retardation or lack of interest in the tournament.
On January 06 2012 00:27 Suvorov wrote: Terribad casting, completely un-inspiring. Other than that, we can clearly see that rainbow is a washed up player incapable of even cheesing properly and that MKP is over-hyped and is actually way past his PRIME. LOL.
Leenock had a shitty loss that I can only attribute to either mental retardation or lack of interest in the tournament.
Not being live didn't help either...
Playing Terran and losing to DongRaeGu means you're overhyped?
On January 06 2012 00:56 Dodgin wrote: You should change the title, there was nothing grand about these finals.
its a gsl final..
That was true until recently, the last GSL final where Jjakji won and the blizzard cup finals were AMAZING, seriously, two of the best finals ever played in sc2 so far.
Can we PLEASE stop trying to mix names every time 2 casters cast? Everyone knows Tastosis, but I look at Soletrap and I don't even know who's casting with Moletrap.
On January 06 2012 05:30 Kurr wrote: Can we PLEASE stop trying to mix names every time 2 casters cast? Everyone knows Tastosis, but I look at Soletrap and I don't even know who's casting with Moletrap.
Not every caster duo needs a mixed name.
Soletrap = Solo + Moletrap = Moletrap casted alone
On January 06 2012 05:30 Kurr wrote: Can we PLEASE stop trying to mix names every time 2 casters cast? Everyone knows Tastosis, but I look at Soletrap and I don't even know who's casting with Moletrap.
Not every caster duo needs a mixed name.
Soletrap = Solo + Moletrap = Moletrap casted alone
On January 06 2012 05:30 Kurr wrote: Can we PLEASE stop trying to mix names every time 2 casters cast? Everyone knows Tastosis, but I look at Soletrap and I don't even know who's casting with Moletrap.
Not every caster duo needs a mixed name.
Soletrap = Solo + Moletrap = Moletrap casted alone
That makes zero sense...
Really? I thought it was pretty damn clever -_-;;
Btw, I didn't come up with that, some guy from the RO4 thread did
On January 06 2012 05:30 Kurr wrote: Can we PLEASE stop trying to mix names every time 2 casters cast? Everyone knows Tastosis, but I look at Soletrap and I don't even know who's casting with Moletrap.
Not every caster duo needs a mixed name.
Soletrap = Solo + Moletrap = Moletrap casted alone
That makes zero sense...
Really? I thought it was pretty damn clever -_-;;
Btw, I didn't come up with that, some guy from the RO4 thread did
So I think we can all I agree DRG wasn't a kong to begin with, ah well still a cute idea. Let's be honest here marine king played from germany and lost , still doesn't change the fact that he was the biggest kong in that competition.
Other than that. Oh my drg, really great games from him, actually thought it would be a lot closer.
On January 06 2012 20:38 Lorch wrote: So I think we can all I agree DRG wasn't a kong to begin with, ah well still a cute idea. Let's be honest here marine king played from germany and lost .
This tournament isn't live. It was most likely played in Korea before MKP left.
On January 06 2012 20:38 Lorch wrote: So I think we can all I agree DRG wasn't a kong to begin with, ah well still a cute idea. Let's be honest here marine king played from germany and lost .
This tournament isn't live. It was most likely played in Korea before MKP left.
The games were played the same day they were broadcasted. MKP woke up at 5 am to play his match against DRG from Germany on the KR server.
Just watched the VoD. I think we had some good games.
I never bash casters, but I must say: I had never, up until today, realized how bad Moletrap is at keeping up with what is going on and assessing the situation. I don't want to say he is a bad caster, but he just sounds dumb too often to be a good one, I guess...
On January 07 2012 08:58 Gaspa wrote: Just watched the VoD. I think we had some good games.
I never bash casters, but I must say: I had never, up until today, realized how bad Moletrap is at keeping up with what is going on and assessing the situation. I don't want to say he is a bad caster, but he just sounds dumb too often to be a good one, I guess...
Moletrap isn't a bad caster. He's actually quite good at being a play-by-play caster. The excitement in his voice during critical events are well worth what he's paid to do. But he has weaknesses, he doesn't understand the game very well. On the flipside of the coin, wolf is a very good analytical caster, but he's awful at play-by-play. Wolf would sound constantly bored, and rant about certain strategies and thereby missing the excitement of the current games.
These two types of casters need each other...they really do. Though everyone likes tastosis, they're arguably of bad without each other. Go watch tasteless cast with kelly milkies...he's so lost as an analyst or artosis cast......... never mind..... artosis is flawless -_-
EPT
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Arena of Legends/The King of Kongs![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aSNDn.png)
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LosirA <> 
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. Everybody knows the winner isn't the real King of Kongs.
