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I've been trying to follow the GSL lately, however, I'm afraid I don't quite understand all the "codes"(a-z). If someone could please explain to me, on this thread or on skype, how the "codes" work, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please hit me up on skype at REFLEX_1986 sometime and give me a break from studying for my calculus and accounting finals. (I plan on recording these conversations for my and others' reference unless the people answering my questions do not want to be recorded.)
OR just post here and do your best to CLEARLY explain how it works.
For example: As far as I can tell, I've only ever heard of "Codes A and S." Why do we not hear about "Codes E or Q?"
REFLEX.500
PS- If there is already a post about this...please forgive me. I looked briefly and could not find a thread on this topic.(all of my threads have been closed due to there already being a thread on the topic....which I think is ridiculous...I'm still ignorant of the answers of the topis for which I had questions and have not been referred to another thread[EXCEPT for the threads which POKEBUNNY has referred me to]. I've only been told that I'm stupid for not looking hard enough. Thank you TL.NET, your MODS have provided NO help)
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S-Class, A-Class. That's all it means.
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Not sure if trolling and about to go to bed but here's an overview. From what i know, there's Code B, Code A, and Code S. Code A and Code S are the only codes that have tournaments, Code B doesn't really matters and might? be a way of classifying those that couldn't make it to Code S.
Code S are the best of the best, the cream of the crop. Code A are still amazing, just not as good as Code S or they're in a slump. Code S is where the big money is, Code A/GSTL is where you get recognized.
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Code B is just a nickname for people who aren't in S/A. It means they aren't even playing in the GSL.
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code "b" is out of gsl entirely.
you have to play in a qualifier to get into code a.
when you're in code a, you've got to either win all your matches or win all but one (or two, can't remember), and go to up and down matches in order to get into code s.
now before we see the connection between code s/code a lets look at code s for a moment.
in the code s tournament, if you don't get into the round of 8 (in which case you stay in code s), you're put down into code a. you also have to win all your matches or win all but one (or two) and go to up and down matches to get back into code s for the next season.
so code a is basically a losers bracket for code s that you must first qualify for,
that's basically the format. hope i helped.
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"Code S" and "Code A" are arbitrary names, they could've called them "Code Alpha" and "Code Beta". "Code B" is a term for "not in the GSL" but it has the connotation that the player is possibly GSL standard.
Have a look at this picture, it should explain the tournament format.
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/6/6c/GSL_Sponsorship_League_format_2011_November.jpg)
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Israel2209 Posts
The GSL is an elaborate tournament which is separated into two tiers:
the "Code S" players who are the top tier and are competing against each other to win the GSL,
the "Code A" players who are competing against each other to enter Code S. (I think in USA you call this feeder leagues?)
If you are losing in Code S you drop down to Code A next season. If you are winning in Code A you qualify for Code S next season
"Code B" is the class given to the players not participating in the GSL at all but are eligible to try and get in. These are normally the top ~200 players in Korea who are not already in GSL AND every non-Korean players. These "Code B" players compete against each other in a short 2-3 day tournament and the winners qualify for Code A.
There are no other codes because they are not required.
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On December 18 2011 16:30 pt wrote:
S-Class, A-Class. That's all it means.
Nope. Code S =/= S Class.
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While I understand the GSL format, I would restate one part of the OP's question which I don't believe was sufficiently answered: Why is it Code "S" and Code "A" rather than an alphabetical sequence A,B,C, or any other letters? Is the "S" used as an initial for Starcraft, or does it have origins in other league/tournament systems unrelated to Starcraft?
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"S" is often used as the most superior ranking in a lot of games. "S" = super/superior.
One off the top of my head is the Monster Rancher (Monster Farm) franchise.
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On December 18 2011 16:59 CheezDip wrote:
While I understand the GSL format, I would restate one part of the OP's question which I don't believe was sufficiently answered: Why is it Code "S" and Code "A" rather than an alphabetical sequence A,B,C, or any other letters? Is the "S" used as an initial for Starcraft, or does it have origins in other league/tournament systems unrelated to Starcraft?
Not 100% sure, but I think it stems from BW which uses S-Class (TBLS + some others) and A-Class (majority of other A-teamers), and GOM wanted to emulate that. I'm not sure how it arose in BW though.
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I believe the names of the letters originate from S-class and A-class categories, but the fact you can go from S to A and back again so often it lost it's value. My opinion anyway.
Also, Original Poster, I do not think you should be place off-topic blame into your thread. It is a little unprofessional. As for the Skype record requests, I am not down to be quoted on things I say 
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On December 18 2011 17:04 elt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 16:59 CheezDip wrote:
While I understand the GSL format, I would restate one part of the OP's question which I don't believe was sufficiently answered: Why is it Code "S" and Code "A" rather than an alphabetical sequence A,B,C, or any other letters? Is the "S" used as an initial for Starcraft, or does it have origins in other league/tournament systems unrelated to Starcraft? Not 100% sure, but I think it stems from BW which uses S-Class (TBLS + some others) and A-Class (majority of other A-teamers), and GOM wanted to emulate that. I'm not sure how it arose in BW though.
I googled S-Class and came up with a result for Mercedes-Benz S-Class, a series of cars, and Mercedes-Benz also has an A-Class series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_S-Class
The name "S-Class" derives from the German word "Sonderklasse" of which "S-Class" is an abbreviation. Sonderklasse means "special class" (or rather: "In a class of its own"), and in automotive terms thus refers to "a specially outfitted car."
So... possibly based on Mercedes categories? Could anybody who was around when the system was first introduced to BW confirm the origin?
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On December 18 2011 17:33 CheezDip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 17:04 elt wrote:On December 18 2011 16:59 CheezDip wrote:
While I understand the GSL format, I would restate one part of the OP's question which I don't believe was sufficiently answered: Why is it Code "S" and Code "A" rather than an alphabetical sequence A,B,C, or any other letters? Is the "S" used as an initial for Starcraft, or does it have origins in other league/tournament systems unrelated to Starcraft? Not 100% sure, but I think it stems from BW which uses S-Class (TBLS + some others) and A-Class (majority of other A-teamers), and GOM wanted to emulate that. I'm not sure how it arose in BW though. I googled S-Class and came up with a result for Mercedes-Benz S-Class, a series of cars, and Mercedes-Benz also has an A-Class series. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_S-ClassShow nested quote +The name "S-Class" derives from the German word "Sonderklasse" of which "S-Class" is an abbreviation. Sonderklasse means "special class" (or rather: "In a class of its own"), and in automotive terms thus refers to "a specially outfitted car." So... possibly based on Mercedes categories? Could anybody who was around when the system was first introduced to BW confirm the origin?
It's an auto racing thing in general, not just categories of a certain type of car
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- Code S = The highest payout and supposed skill level in the GSL
- Code A = The second highest and supposed skill level in the GSL.
- "Code B" = The nickname given to players who have participated in the Qualifiers for the GSL or need to re-qualify after falling from Code A. Not an official Code.
The reason I typed "supposed" is players are not yet really consistent enough (except for made a select few) to honestly say they "belong" in that skill level. Players often trend between great showings and not so great showings, so it is difficult to classify them conclusively as truly "belonging" in their respective Code (for better or worse).
- S-Class = The absolute highest caliber play from a skill and tournament performance stance. Not usually an official title, more so a delineation made by the fans.
- A-Class = Mid to High caliber player from a skill and tournament performance stance.
- B-Class = Low to Mid caliber player from a skill and tournament performance stance. Can also be called a "B-Teamer." These players tend to not stand out as much and possible don't even play in major tournaments per in-house ranking.
A lot of these terms being used with respect to Starcraft were developed in the Brood War era, so I am not entirely sure my definitions are wholly exact (especially for the Class ranking). I do not think people are even qualifying current SC2 players into the BW-style class structure yet because of the wild inconsistency the vast majority of the players show as of yet. Making a categorical determination is very difficult and depends on whose opinion is given. For example, an S-Class player in Brood War would be Flash because of his outstanding career record and exceptional skill displayed in-game.
The "S", "A" and "B" ranking system is a common system used across a broad array of competitive games, predominately made by eastern developers. You can see it used officially in games like Street Fighter or most score-based games. It is even used in anime and manga. Do not quote me on this, but I think the "S" may have to do with notion of "Superior" or "Special" while the subsequent A,B,C is the commonly used grading procedure known colloquially. I suspect "S" was introduced after the the "A,B,C.." was being used to identify individual scores or people who are exceptionally elite, beyond those who are already considered to be very good or great at whatever is being judged.
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On December 18 2011 16:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:Nope. Code S =/= S Class.
It has the same meaning.
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On December 18 2011 17:48 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 16:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 18 2011 16:30 pt wrote:
S-Class, A-Class. That's all it means. Nope. Code S =/= S Class. It has the same meaning.
Not quite.
S-Class in BW was described as the best of the best players, in other words: Flash, Jaedong, Stork and Bisu were considered as S-Class. This designation does not simply rotate easily in and out like Code S, where you can be in the finals and then drop out into Code A (see MVP, TOP and Inca). It is a designation by the fans/commentators.
Top tier A-class included people like EffOrt, Hydra and Fantasy. Does not translate well to SC2 terms. Either way, the Code thing has nothing to do with Class ratings.
Though you are free to believe whatever you want.
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Code B players are those who have (iirc) 600 points on the master league (KR server)*, Code A are players who got past the "Code B tournament" more often called code A qualifier and Code S are those who won the Code A tournament or won their matches in what is called the "up&down matches". Those matches determine who'll take a place in code S next season and the one who'll fall into Code A.
In other words: Code S > Code A > Code B.
*Every player who gets 600 points on KR server master League IS a code B player because he fullfils the requirement to be seeded in the Code B tournament.
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On December 18 2011 18:04 Meteora.GB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 17:48 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On December 18 2011 16:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 18 2011 16:30 pt wrote:
S-Class, A-Class. That's all it means. Nope. Code S =/= S Class. It has the same meaning. Not quite. S-Class in BW was described as the best of the best players, in other words: Flash, Jaedong, Stork and Bisu were considered as S-Class. This designation does not simply rotate easily in and out like Code S, where you can be in the finals and then drop out into Code A (see MVP, TOP and Inca). It is a designation by the fans/commentators. Top tier A-class included people like EffOrt, Hydra and Fantasy. Does not translate well to SC2 terms. Either way, the Code thing has nothing to do with Class ratings. Though you are free to believe whatever you want.
S Class (and all other classes as well) isn't something unique to professional Brood War. The ranking can be seen in many anime/manga, sports, etc. In that regard, both GSL's Code S and BW's S Class delineation refer to the same thing: the best of the best.
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On December 18 2011 18:31 stormfoxSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 18:04 Meteora.GB wrote:On December 18 2011 17:48 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On December 18 2011 16:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 18 2011 16:30 pt wrote:
S-Class, A-Class. That's all it means. Nope. Code S =/= S Class. It has the same meaning. Not quite. S-Class in BW was described as the best of the best players, in other words: Flash, Jaedong, Stork and Bisu were considered as S-Class. This designation does not simply rotate easily in and out like Code S, where you can be in the finals and then drop out into Code A (see MVP, TOP and Inca). It is a designation by the fans/commentators. Top tier A-class included people like EffOrt, Hydra and Fantasy. Does not translate well to SC2 terms. Either way, the Code thing has nothing to do with Class ratings. Though you are free to believe whatever you want. S Class (and all other classes as well) isn't something unique to professional Brood War. The ranking can be seen in many anime/manga, sports, etc. In that regard, both GSL's Code S and BW's S Class delineation refer to the same thing: the best of the best.
That is true, S-Class has different definitions spread across everything. In BW I feel it holds much more weight to be S-Class. However if one choose to, they can think that Code S is equal to S-Class, the best of the best. I on the other hand don't feel that way, but we all have our own differing opinions.
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I thought only the top172 from the KR ladder are able to take part in the code a qualifiers,
so those top172 are called "code B".
Though i think with the new format its only top 160 players.
Basically means "being able to participate in code A qualifier"
Anyone got an idea, if this info is correct or is it just an open qualifier for everyone now?
I know 100% that it was top172 when they first introduced Code S and A after the Open seasons.
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On December 18 2011 19:09 MasterReY wrote:
I thought only the top172 from the KR ladder are able to take part in the code a qualifiers,
so those top172 are called "code B".
Though i think with the new format its only top 160 players.
Basically means "being able to participate in code A qualifier"
Anyone got an idea, if this info is correct or is it just an open qualifier for everyone now?
I know 100% that it was top172 when they first introduced Code S and A after the Open seasons.
when yellow tried to qualify it was said that you have to be in master league with a certain amount of points. cant remember the exact number but it was like high master(~1000 points+).
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On December 18 2011 18:04 Meteora.GB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 17:48 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On December 18 2011 16:52 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 18 2011 16:30 pt wrote:
S-Class, A-Class. That's all it means. Nope. Code S =/= S Class. It has the same meaning. Not quite. S-Class in BW was described as the best of the best players, in other words: Flash, Jaedong, Stork and Bisu were considered as S-Class. This designation does not simply rotate easily in and out like Code S, where you can be in the finals and then drop out into Code A (see MVP, TOP and Inca). It is a designation by the fans/commentators. Top tier A-class included people like EffOrt, Hydra and Fantasy. Does not translate well to SC2 terms. Either way, the Code thing has nothing to do with Class ratings. Though you are free to believe whatever you want.
Are you putting MVP on the same level as Top? MVP had one slipup for about a 20 day period and was back to dominating after 2 sets of poor matches. If you want to use the same definition for S class in sc2 as in BW then MVP is the obvious main choice with MMA being the other. Leenock/DRG/Nestea are all questionable one way or the other if you are talking top top tier. Nestea due to his slump, Lennock and DRG simlpy because their success is too recent and not sustained. Would that not fit your idea of the top BW players? Very similar considering the game has only been out a year.
Sadly, even as a Toss player myself I couldn't put any as best of the best atm 
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Gsl only has code-A and code-S which refers to separate tournaments.
code B you can consider to be all those from korean ladder that are masters + as that is the requirement in order to compete in the qualification.
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On December 18 2011 20:03 ShoWTimE94 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 19:09 MasterReY wrote:
I thought only the top172 from the KR ladder are able to take part in the code a qualifiers,
so those top172 are called "code B".
Though i think with the new format its only top 160 players.
Basically means "being able to participate in code A qualifier"
Anyone got an idea, if this info is correct or is it just an open qualifier for everyone now?
I know 100% that it was top172 when they first introduced Code S and A after the Open seasons. when yellow tried to qualify it was said that you have to be in master league with a certain amount of points. cant remember the exact number but it was like high master(~1000 points+).
It was Grandmaster, I believe. And I think it was top X, excluding people who are already qualified.
EDIT: It seems you were right, even though they have GM there aswell, they qualify based on ladder points.
EDIT2: And it seems the number of participants has since increased from 172 to 576.
EDIT3: Finally, it seems that Code B is "kind of" an official name for people trying to qualify, as it appears on the first page.
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Ok.. So from what I've gathered..Codes A and S are all that matter rofl...thanks guys.
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