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On December 09 2011 12:51 MuK_x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:34 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site. Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close. They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism. To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too. Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing: SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1 and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament.
o.O ...but sase...didnt lose?
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On December 09 2011 12:36 GreyKnight wrote:
as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run.
Yeah man, pro players tend to take $10000 worth of prize money games like practice runs. Don't let Hero's teammates know about it though, coz I am telling you, they would be pissed at him, they would def. think less of him... heck I know I would.
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On December 09 2011 12:54 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 12:34 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site. Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close. They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism. To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too. Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing: SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1 and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament. o.O ...but sase...didnt lose?
can you stop trolling?
you must read Icebox post for understanding me.
read it,then read it again.
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On December 09 2011 12:55 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:36 GreyKnight wrote:
as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run. Yeah man, pro players tend to take $10000 worth of prize money games like practice runs. Don't let Hero's teammates know about it though, coz I am telling you, they would be pissed at him, they would def. think less of him... heck I know I would.
this isnt the first time HerO try to go something else than 4 gte on tda just because he dont feel like it (aka dreamhack)
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On December 09 2011 12:55 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:36 GreyKnight wrote:
as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run. Yeah man, pro players tend to take $10000 worth of prize money games like practice runs. Don't let Hero's teammates know about it though, coz I am telling you, they would be pissed at him, they would def. think less of him... heck I know I would.
hero's lost games because he didn't 4gate fyi. it's his own strange decisionmaking at work sometimes. i'm a hero fan too
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On December 09 2011 12:56 MuK_x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:54 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 12:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 12:34 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:
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LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
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forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site. Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close. They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism. To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too. Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing: SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1 and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament. o.O ...but sase...didnt lose? can you stop trolling? you must read Icebox post for understanding me. read it,then read it again.
but youre the one whos dropping the overly biased fanboyism and acting like TLs the best team in SC2 or something. im just saying that claiming that TL is somehow better than QIM is, as of right now, very biased. also, you say 'well, IF SASE LOST, we would have an easier lineup to work with cuz of blah blah blah' but the thing is HE DIDNT LOSE, so basically all that theorycrafting is wasted. i do laud you for your obvious loyalty to liquid, but its getting sketchy
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On December 09 2011 12:57 KhAlleB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:55 s4life wrote:On December 09 2011 12:36 GreyKnight wrote:
as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run. Yeah man, pro players tend to take $10000 worth of prize money games like practice runs. Don't let Hero's teammates know about it though, coz I am telling you, they would be pissed at him, they would def. think less of him... heck I know I would. this isnt the first time HerO try to go something else than 4 gte on tda just because he dont feel like it (aka dreamhack)
I am not arguing the facts, he tried something different alright and got rolled over, that much is clear. My point is it would have been dumb, arrogant and borderline douche to use this build in an important game without having practiced it. He did practice it, it just wasn't enough to beat Sase... to see this the way OP intended is to be fucking disrespectful to Hero, Sase and TL itself.
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Sase just ripped apart TL.Jinro,Sheth,Tyler,Ret and Hero are basically the main roster and he took them out convincely.
Well played by Sase.TL played poorly.
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On December 09 2011 13:01 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:56 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 12:54 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 12:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 12:34 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:
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LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site. Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close. They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism. To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too. Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing: SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1 and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament. o.O ...but sase...didnt lose? can you stop trolling? you must read Icebox post for understanding me. read it,then read it again. but youre the one whos dropping the overly biased fanboyism and acting like TLs the best team in SC2 or something. im just saying that claiming that TL is somehow better than QIM is, as of right now, very biased. also, you say 'well, IF SASE LOST, we would have an easier lineup to work with cuz of blah blah blah' but the thing is HE DIDNT LOSE, so basically all that theorycrafting is wasted. i do laud you for your obvious loyalty to liquid, but its getting sketchy
And i already said you TL lose because their poor condition from 1.5 month ago.
TL players accomplished good things in this 1.5 month:
HerO :winned a dreamhack,played grand final at NASL,up&down matches at GSL.
HayprO :got 7th spot at MLG providence,beat NesTea and almost beat MVP.
Sheth: played round 16 at dreamhack and lose to dh champion.Played at NASL grand finals,lose to 3-2 PuMa(NASL champion).
Jinro: Nonstop practicing in oGs house,his TvT and TvZ already becomed pretty sick.
Zenio: new TL player,being in code S for so long.
TLO: back to zerg:
Tyler: incresing his practice times.
SaSe is strong player,im agreeing with this but not strong as all-killing TeamLiquid.
I mean TL is so much better than this,they has a chance against ANY korean team.Like i said,they lose today because their poor condition and being without Zenio.
If this match played like at 6-7 december,i can easly say TL will destroy QIM no matter what.
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On December 08 2011 03:46 MuK_x wrote:
QIM? who?
TL 5-0 ezpz.
banjo all kill QIM's like in MLG.
best first post ever
congrats to sase!
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On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
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On December 09 2011 13:15 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
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I almost thought the results was some joke till I skimmed through this thread. My mind still can't grasp how Liquid was all killed by SaSe. Perhaps by MVP, Losira but SaSe. Anyways, props to him. I guess Korea is really benefiting him.
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On December 09 2011 13:16 MuK_x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:15 Olinimm wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match. NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt? hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
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On December 09 2011 13:17 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:16 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 13:15 Olinimm wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match. NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt? hehehehehe. Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
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On December 09 2011 13:24 MuK_x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:17 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 09 2011 13:16 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 13:15 Olinimm wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:
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LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
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forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match. NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt? hehehehehe. Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp. HerO is so much better than NaNiWa. The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
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On December 09 2011 13:26 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:24 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 13:17 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 09 2011 13:16 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 13:15 Olinimm wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:
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LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match. NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt? hehehehehe. Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp. HerO is so much better than NaNiWa. The End. MVP is so much better than HerO. The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm
If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
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On December 08 2011 05:39 Joshy.IGN wrote:
I am thoroughly enjoying all of these predictions, as are the rest of the guys in the eSports office. Keep them coming! Surely if we make enough predictions, someone will get it exactly right and look like a GENIUS!
On December 08 2011 06:05 Choboo wrote:
SaSe will all-kill it won't even be close ^______^
Choboo the genius, who would've thought? :D
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