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On December 09 2011 12:15 MuK_x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:14 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 09 2011 12:13 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 12:09 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 09 2011 12:06 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 12:03 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 09 2011 12:02 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:53 1Eris1 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:
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just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................? You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly. Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days. Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea) and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule. and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot. I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously? HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style. Sick. Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works. Trolling? Are you serious? im a big teamliquid fan and proud with it. See you at GSL 2012,HerO will shut your mouth. Just like he did tonight amirite?  Losing one game(not even BoX) against SaSe make him a bad player? you are such a bad troll.
Haha I'm just teasing bro! I sure hope hero does well in the gsl. I'm a huge fan of his! That doesn't mean I ignore reality.
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On December 09 2011 12:09 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:06 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 12:03 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 09 2011 12:02 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:53 1Eris1 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:
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LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
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forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................? You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly. Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days. Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea) and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule. and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot. I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously? HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style. Sick. Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
It is really easy to be blinded by how fantastic Hero looks in a lot of games and believe that he is a semi-invincible monster that cannot be defeated. He absolutely lacks consistency and even his PvZ, which looks so awesome, can and will fall to both cheese and well executed mid-game pressure. He has attained somewhat consistent place in Code A, and obviously has a chance of even getting to Code S this season, but by no means would I be counting on it. Furthermore, he obviously has nerve issues, which it would be reasonable to expect being exaggerated by playing televised in Korea, which while not as big as far as live audience goes as Dreamhack or MLG, must feel like a more prestigious event.
So yeah, Hero can be sniped, Hero absolutely makes bad decisions and will lose because of these things. His choice of map as well as build order on TDA was very strange for example. But his potential should not be denied just based on his GSL results. Of course, whether he is a true Korean great will depend on those results, but time will tell. Making snap judgments because of this result? That is almost as non-sensical as believing that Liquid would be favoured to win against QIM.
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On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Spoiler of Games tonight
+ Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Fast forward a 1.5 Months
+ Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive
They have a new player able to be played
Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game
Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better
Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
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Icebox,thanks for understanding me...
also they got Zenio too for 1.5 month.
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On December 09 2011 12:17 Porcelina wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:09 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 09 2011 12:06 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 12:03 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 09 2011 12:02 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:53 1Eris1 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:
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LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................? You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly. Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days. Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea) and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule. and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot. I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously? HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style. Sick. Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works. It is really easy to be blinded by how fantastic Hero looks in a lot of games and believe that he is a semi-invincible monster that cannot be defeated. He absolutely lacks consistency and even his PvZ, which looks so awesome, can and will fall to both cheese and well executed mid-game pressure. He has attained somewhat consistent place in Code A, and obviously has a chance of even getting to Code S this season, but by no means would I be counting on it. Furthermore, he obviously has nerve issues, which it would be reasonable to expect being exaggerated by playing televised in Korea, which while not as big as far as live audience goes as Dreamhack or MLG, must feel like a more prestigious event. So yeah, Hero can be sniped, Hero absolutely makes bad decisions and will lose because of these things. His choice of map as well as build order on TDA was very strange for example. But his potential should not be denied just based on his GSL results. Of course, whether he is a true Korean great will depend on those results, but time will tell. Making snap judgments because of this result? That is almost as non-sensical as believing that Liquid would be favoured to win against QIM.
Who the hell is making snap judgments of hero because of this? Koreans should be judged by multiple gsl results.
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that's fucking impressive sase. fuck yes. huge fan right now.
you and naniwa will be the new toss in korea.
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On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
yeah you and muk should totally hook up
god, i don't even know why im arguing, hero's the only one worth watching right now from TL, cuz hes so fucking good, but him against a FOCUSED polt, mvp, or hell even puma?
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On December 09 2011 12:23 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- yeah you and muk should totally hook up god, i don't even know why im arguing, hero's the only one worth watching right now from TL, cuz hes so fucking good, but him against a FOCUSED polt, mvp, or hell even puma? ...
I would love Hero to play like 200 practice games against a focused Mvp or perhaps even more so ForGG. Would be very good for his PvT. :D
Would also like the same for Sase.
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On December 09 2011 12:04 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:58 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. ...i see the two strongest zergs on TL losing to vastly different gamestyles. i see their ONLY terran getting rolled. i see hero, the best hope of TL, and tyler losing to another protoss in what is said to be the most dangerous matchup. what truth am i not seeing in these results? that TL was holding back? that 5 separate members of TL failed to win one game? To put things in perspective, they played like shit, way below their ability, and they lost one series in an online team league. It hurts as fuck for a fan to see this kind of loss, but it's hardly a big deal in the big picture. It's just like when IM got all killed by qxc to be honest.
You usually seem to play like shit against a much better player..
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On December 08 2011 04:19 red4ce wrote:
3 wins for Liquid at best if they get good matchups and IM is overconfident the way the were against FXO in the GSTL. Expecting a 5-1 for QIM, with Liquid's only win coming against Sase.
lol, you were close but not close.
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On December 09 2011 12:27 Porcelina wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:23 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- yeah you and muk should totally hook up god, i don't even know why im arguing, hero's the only one worth watching right now from TL, cuz hes so fucking good, but him against a FOCUSED polt, mvp, or hell even puma? ... I would love Hero to play like 200 practice games against a focused Mvp or perhaps even more so ForGG. Would be very good for his PvT. :D Would also like the same for Sase.
haha good point, but i meant in a tournament matchup
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lol this thread delivers.. S4life and Blaze you got me looool
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On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site.
Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close.
They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism.
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Does anyone know when the next broadcast will be? Will if be next Monday?
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On December 09 2011 12:32 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:27 Porcelina wrote:On December 09 2011 12:23 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- yeah you and muk should totally hook up god, i don't even know why im arguing, hero's the only one worth watching right now from TL, cuz hes so fucking good, but him against a FOCUSED polt, mvp, or hell even puma? ... I would love Hero to play like 200 practice games against a focused Mvp or perhaps even more so ForGG. Would be very good for his PvT. :D Would also like the same for Sase. haha good point, but i meant in a tournament matchup
Yeah I know. I would never bet on Hero against Mvp, neither would I against Puma, though to be fair I would be on the losing side of that based on the last three tournaments. Polt though, I don't know, I guess right now I would be betting on Hero. Might get a look at that in Up and Downs. But his PvT is not looking solid, not because he cannot win but mostly because it seems like he has not found a way to play it out without taking major risks in the early game.
But I find it hard to really bet on Hero in high pressure games just because of nerves anyway.
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as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run.
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SaSe just...
![[image loading]](http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo111/carteldelchapo/AK47.gif)
Team Liquid?
+ Show Spoiler +Its a AK-47, which has represented an All Kill in BW LR threads :D
Stay Sassy Sase :D, and stay classy :DD QxG fighting!
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On December 08 2011 03:46 MuK_x wrote:
QIM? who?
TL 5-0 ezpz.
banjo all kill QIM's like in MLG.
Funny joke kid. You realize theres a chance both MVP an NesTea who would WRECK anyone on TL (I love TL but come on lol) have a chance of playing lol. So no that eliminates an all kill for TL though both could all kill TL lol an Nani, Destiny, and SaSe are fucking god monsters an could match up easily against anyone on TL so no you're wrong and as I said funny joke bro tell it again?
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Impressive play by SaSe. Was too bad Tyler didn't hold on though, SaSe was way too overconfident and came out way behind after his warp prism attack attempt. Also, Hero just had a pretty bad build order or misread SaSe's build I guess.
On December 09 2011 12:41 Catatonic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 03:46 MuK_x wrote:
QIM? who?
TL 5-0 ezpz.
banjo all kill QIM's like in MLG. Funny joke kid. You realize theres a chance both MVP an NesTea who would WRECK anyone on TL (I love TL but come on lol) have a chance of playing lol. So no that eliminates an all kill for TL though both could all kill TL lol an Nani, Destiny, and SaSe are fucking god monsters an could match up easily against anyone on TL so no you're wrong and as I said funny joke bro tell it again?
eh, I think Hero is capable of taking down MVP and NesTea though he would be considered an underdog. Also why you are putting Naniwa, Destiny, and SaSe on the same level? I don't think Destiny is quite up there yet.
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On December 09 2011 12:34 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 12:19 Icebox wrote:On December 09 2011 11:59 Orome wrote:On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote:On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote:On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote:On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote:
that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL! LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players. On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right? forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles. LOL at non-believers. In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this. just saying. That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans. Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions. also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look". you just look to results but not seeing truth. Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster. Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing... Spoiler of Games tonight + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games. Fast forward a 1.5 Months + Show Spoiler +Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine... Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_- You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site. Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close. They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism.
To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too.
Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing:
SaSe
Destiny
Horror
Younghwa
Happy/LosirA
what happens when MVP playing?
-TL still has a decent chance since bo1
and NesTea?
-NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament.
also @Catatonic
i lol'd,keep wear your horse glasses.
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