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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 20 2012 01:46 GMT
#81
On January 20 2012 08:22 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 04:40 BroboCop wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.

rofl if a terran can't win tvz on shattered temple they should uninstal the game because they are fucking terrible. the same can be said for t/p on XNC vs zerg. if you are really questioning the balance about maps which are inherently broken idk what to say.


Your point isn't even remotely relevant. What is the purpose of your post?

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 04:43 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.


Individual tournaments are different, because you know your opponent's race ahead of time. MLG also lets you change races in between games. That's fine in that setting. In a clanwar setting, it makes less sense, especially with our format.


How does it make less sense in a clanwar setting? Also, how does knowing your opponent's race ahead of time matter? Also, to continue, what's "that's fine in that setting" even mean? I've never competed in any major clanwars, but the minor leagues I've participated in ESEA and some other small one about the same size I can't remember the name also allowed race picking. In fact, CSL is the only league I've encountered so far that doesn't allow race picking.

So "not knowing your opponent's race ahead of time" suddenly makes race picking not viable? What? I simply don't understand why CSL insists that you lock your race in. Especially since you don't know your opponent's race ahead of time, you haven't prepared vs that particular race, so what does it matter what your opponent picks? Not like anyone actually prepares ahead of time in CSL anyways.


People actually DO prepare ahead of time for CSL. Maybe you don't, but just because you don't doesn't mean the rules should be less fair for someone else.

If for example, someone thinks : "ok Player X is Terran and usually plays on Metal. I'm gonna put my Terran sniper on Metal." Then, the draw is released and they guessed the player right and all of a sudden you switch ur race from Terran to Protoss and the guy spent all week practicing against Terran. Believe it or not, people take CSL seriously and practice for it.

This gives an unfair advantage to you.

And, it could lead to a really annoying situation in which both players want to matchup pick. What if both players don't play TvT, but prefer ZvT. "If you play T I'll play Z," "If you're Z I'll go T" - you could get into a big annoying argument because of it.

Is this scenario unlikely? Yes. Is it possible? Yes.

Overall, pick your race beforehand.
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shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
January 20 2012 01:49 GMT
#82
yeah...not gonna let you race pick after seeing your opponents race O_O
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FinalForm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
January 20 2012 01:54 GMT
#83
Always been a fan of the CSL format, awesome element of mind-games that goes into a carefully submitted lineup!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
January 20 2012 02:05 GMT
#84
On January 20 2012 10:46 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 08:22 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:40 BroboCop wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.

rofl if a terran can't win tvz on shattered temple they should uninstal the game because they are fucking terrible. the same can be said for t/p on XNC vs zerg. if you are really questioning the balance about maps which are inherently broken idk what to say.


Your point isn't even remotely relevant. What is the purpose of your post?

On January 20 2012 04:43 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.


Individual tournaments are different, because you know your opponent's race ahead of time. MLG also lets you change races in between games. That's fine in that setting. In a clanwar setting, it makes less sense, especially with our format.


How does it make less sense in a clanwar setting? Also, how does knowing your opponent's race ahead of time matter? Also, to continue, what's "that's fine in that setting" even mean? I've never competed in any major clanwars, but the minor leagues I've participated in ESEA and some other small one about the same size I can't remember the name also allowed race picking. In fact, CSL is the only league I've encountered so far that doesn't allow race picking.

So "not knowing your opponent's race ahead of time" suddenly makes race picking not viable? What? I simply don't understand why CSL insists that you lock your race in. Especially since you don't know your opponent's race ahead of time, you haven't prepared vs that particular race, so what does it matter what your opponent picks? Not like anyone actually prepares ahead of time in CSL anyways.


People actually DO prepare ahead of time for CSL. Maybe you don't, but just because you don't doesn't mean the rules should be less fair for someone else.

If for example, someone thinks : "ok Player X is Terran and usually plays on Metal. I'm gonna put my Terran sniper on Metal." Then, the draw is released and they guessed the player right and all of a sudden you switch ur race from Terran to Protoss and the guy spent all week practicing against Terran. Believe it or not, people take CSL seriously and practice for it.

This gives an unfair advantage to you.

And, it could lead to a really annoying situation in which both players want to matchup pick. What if both players don't play TvT, but prefer ZvT. "If you play T I'll play Z," "If you're Z I'll go T" - you could get into a big annoying argument because of it.

Is this scenario unlikely? Yes. Is it possible? Yes.

Overall, pick your race beforehand.

No, you have still failed to show how that grants any advantage. If I've said ahead of time "I don't tvt. I zvt." And they
expect me to be sent out then they expect 3 possible match ups and will have accounted for that the entire week before.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 03:05:37
January 20 2012 02:12 GMT
#85
On January 20 2012 10:37 BroboCop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 08:22 FabledIntegral wrote:
I've participated in ESEA and some other small one about the same size I can't remember the name also allowed race picking.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
quoting ESEA as a tournament league with rules that are even remotely close to logical LOL not sure if serious or what.
and we all know how credible small tournaments are.


Since when has CSL had any more prestige than other small leagues? If anything, its just been a fun school tourney with plenty of mediocre players with a few semipros sprinkled in here or there. I've played in it since BW, where if you had a lineup of solid C players in your school you'd be considered one of the better schools.

Only school with a "pro" player had NoNy if I recall.
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
January 20 2012 02:16 GMT
#86
On January 20 2012 11:12 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 10:37 BroboCop wrote:
On January 20 2012 08:22 FabledIntegral wrote:
I've participated in ESEA and some other small one about the same size I can't remember the name also allowed race picking.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
quoting ESEA as a tournament league with rules that are even remotely close to logical LOL not sure if serious or what.
and we all know how credible small tournaments are.

Since when has CSL. had any more prestige than other small leagues? If anything, its just been a fun school tourney with plenty of mediocre players with a few semipros sprinkled in here or there.

anyways, the rules have been set. sadly, you cannot racepick T_T
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T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
January 20 2012 02:29 GMT
#87
On January 20 2012 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 10:46 Xeris wrote:
On January 20 2012 08:22 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:40 BroboCop wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.

rofl if a terran can't win tvz on shattered temple they should uninstal the game because they are fucking terrible. the same can be said for t/p on XNC vs zerg. if you are really questioning the balance about maps which are inherently broken idk what to say.


Your point isn't even remotely relevant. What is the purpose of your post?

On January 20 2012 04:43 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.


Individual tournaments are different, because you know your opponent's race ahead of time. MLG also lets you change races in between games. That's fine in that setting. In a clanwar setting, it makes less sense, especially with our format.


How does it make less sense in a clanwar setting? Also, how does knowing your opponent's race ahead of time matter? Also, to continue, what's "that's fine in that setting" even mean? I've never competed in any major clanwars, but the minor leagues I've participated in ESEA and some other small one about the same size I can't remember the name also allowed race picking. In fact, CSL is the only league I've encountered so far that doesn't allow race picking.

So "not knowing your opponent's race ahead of time" suddenly makes race picking not viable? What? I simply don't understand why CSL insists that you lock your race in. Especially since you don't know your opponent's race ahead of time, you haven't prepared vs that particular race, so what does it matter what your opponent picks? Not like anyone actually prepares ahead of time in CSL anyways.


People actually DO prepare ahead of time for CSL. Maybe you don't, but just because you don't doesn't mean the rules should be less fair for someone else.

If for example, someone thinks : "ok Player X is Terran and usually plays on Metal. I'm gonna put my Terran sniper on Metal." Then, the draw is released and they guessed the player right and all of a sudden you switch ur race from Terran to Protoss and the guy spent all week practicing against Terran. Believe it or not, people take CSL seriously and practice for it.

This gives an unfair advantage to you.

And, it could lead to a really annoying situation in which both players want to matchup pick. What if both players don't play TvT, but prefer ZvT. "If you play T I'll play Z," "If you're Z I'll go T" - you could get into a big annoying argument because of it.

Is this scenario unlikely? Yes. Is it possible? Yes.

Overall, pick your race beforehand.

No, you have still failed to show how that grants any advantage. If I've said ahead of time "I don't tvt. I zvt." And they
expect me to be sent out then they expect 3 possible match ups and will have accounted for that the entire week before.

It grants you an advantage because you get to choose after your opponent has chosen.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 03:11:29
January 20 2012 03:04 GMT
#88
On January 20 2012 10:46 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 08:22 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:40 BroboCop wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.

rofl if a terran can't win tvz on shattered temple they should uninstal the game because they are fucking terrible. the same can be said for t/p on XNC vs zerg. if you are really questioning the balance about maps which are inherently broken idk what to say.


Your point isn't even remotely relevant. What is the purpose of your post?

On January 20 2012 04:43 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.


Individual tournaments are different, because you know your opponent's race ahead of time. MLG also lets you change races in between games. That's fine in that setting. In a clanwar setting, it makes less sense, especially with our format.


How does it make less sense in a clanwar setting? Also, how does knowing your opponent's race ahead of time matter? Also, to continue, what's "that's fine in that setting" even mean? I've never competed in any major clanwars, but the minor leagues I've participated in ESEA and some other small one about the same size I can't remember the name also allowed race picking. In fact, CSL is the only league I've encountered so far that doesn't allow race picking.

So "not knowing your opponent's race ahead of time" suddenly makes race picking not viable? What? I simply don't understand why CSL insists that you lock your race in. Especially since you don't know your opponent's race ahead of time, you haven't prepared vs that particular race, so what does it matter what your opponent picks? Not like anyone actually prepares ahead of time in CSL anyways.


People actually DO prepare ahead of time for CSL. Maybe you don't, but just because you don't doesn't mean the rules should be less fair for someone else.

If for example, someone thinks : "ok Player X is Terran and usually plays on Metal. I'm gonna put my Terran sniper on Metal." Then, the draw is released and they guessed the player right and all of a sudden you switch ur race from Terran to Protoss and the guy spent all week practicing against Terran. Believe it or not, people take CSL seriously and practice for it.

This gives an unfair advantage to you.

And, it could lead to a really annoying situation in which both players want to matchup pick. What if both players don't play TvT, but prefer ZvT. "If you play T I'll play Z," "If you're Z I'll go T" - you could get into a big annoying argument because of it.

Is this scenario unlikely? Yes. Is it possible? Yes.

Overall, pick your race beforehand.


Well isn't practice completely irrelevant since we have no idea who our opponent's are going to be at this point?

On January 20 2012 11:29 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 20 2012 10:46 Xeris wrote:
On January 20 2012 08:22 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:40 BroboCop wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.

rofl if a terran can't win tvz on shattered temple they should uninstal the game because they are fucking terrible. the same can be said for t/p on XNC vs zerg. if you are really questioning the balance about maps which are inherently broken idk what to say.


Your point isn't even remotely relevant. What is the purpose of your post?

On January 20 2012 04:43 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.


Individual tournaments are different, because you know your opponent's race ahead of time. MLG also lets you change races in between games. That's fine in that setting. In a clanwar setting, it makes less sense, especially with our format.


How does it make less sense in a clanwar setting? Also, how does knowing your opponent's race ahead of time matter? Also, to continue, what's "that's fine in that setting" even mean? I've never competed in any major clanwars, but the minor leagues I've participated in ESEA and some other small one about the same size I can't remember the name also allowed race picking. In fact, CSL is the only league I've encountered so far that doesn't allow race picking.

So "not knowing your opponent's race ahead of time" suddenly makes race picking not viable? What? I simply don't understand why CSL insists that you lock your race in. Especially since you don't know your opponent's race ahead of time, you haven't prepared vs that particular race, so what does it matter what your opponent picks? Not like anyone actually prepares ahead of time in CSL anyways.


People actually DO prepare ahead of time for CSL. Maybe you don't, but just because you don't doesn't mean the rules should be less fair for someone else.

If for example, someone thinks : "ok Player X is Terran and usually plays on Metal. I'm gonna put my Terran sniper on Metal." Then, the draw is released and they guessed the player right and all of a sudden you switch ur race from Terran to Protoss and the guy spent all week practicing against Terran. Believe it or not, people take CSL seriously and practice for it.

This gives an unfair advantage to you.

And, it could lead to a really annoying situation in which both players want to matchup pick. What if both players don't play TvT, but prefer ZvT. "If you play T I'll play Z," "If you're Z I'll go T" - you could get into a big annoying argument because of it.

Is this scenario unlikely? Yes. Is it possible? Yes.

Overall, pick your race beforehand.

No, you have still failed to show how that grants any advantage. If I've said ahead of time "I don't tvt. I zvt." And they
expect me to be sent out then they expect 3 possible match ups and will have accounted for that the entire week before.

It grants you an advantage because you get to choose after your opponent has chosen.


Erm, yes, that would be the case, but I never intended to present it as that. I never said your opponent's race had to be static either. If I choose to play on metal, and say "I play TvZ, TvP, and ZvT" my matchups are locked in. Just as an opponent might enter as Zerg and have his matchups locked at "ZvZ, ZvT, or ZvP" OR he might do the same as me "ZvT, TvZ, or ZvP." How often does this occur? Extremely rare, and when it does, flip a damn coin or something. I mean, it's not like there wren't players all the way back from BW like Ret who said "I don't ZvZ, I TvZ" and was accommodated. Morrow seems to also always be accommodated in those regards.

There isn't any advantage in this regard. Although I don't think there is ANY issue with having non static races either (aka I see what race you are and change my race to Protoss, because clearly you could do the same).

"Issues" that could potentially arise are never actually problematic despite all the stupid "what ifs" that people try to say.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
January 20 2012 05:29 GMT
#89
duran can you bring a ball? i dont have a ball i usually check one out at the gym. TF-1000 please.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:32:15
January 20 2012 05:32 GMT
#90
On January 20 2012 14:29 JiYan wrote:
duran can you bring a ball? i dont have a ball i usually check one out at the gym. TF-1000 please.


a) i don't have a ball

b) definitely won't be any time to play l0l

c) I haven't played since summer T__________T
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JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
January 20 2012 05:41 GMT
#91
might have time on sunday what do you think?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 20 2012 07:15 GMT
#92
On January 20 2012 14:41 JiYan wrote:
might have time on sunday what do you think?


Dude we're running from noon - 10pm both days #_#
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hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2196 Posts
January 20 2012 07:29 GMT
#93
CSLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll


looking forward to the stream!
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 07:32:18
January 20 2012 07:32 GMT
#94
nooooo mona u should be there live!! and bring bear i love bears
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 20 2012 07:41 GMT
#95
On January 20 2012 16:29 hazelynut wrote:
CSLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll


looking forward to the stream!


CSL indeed :D
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nastyyy
Profile Joined December 2009
United States262 Posts
January 20 2012 08:06 GMT
#96
Who's on UCI's team?
one time
Imbu
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United States903 Posts
January 20 2012 09:35 GMT
#97
On January 20 2012 17:06 nastyyy wrote:
Who's on UCI's team?


http://www.cstarleague.com/league/teams/12

Looks like a pretty solid lineup, but not as good as Davis !

UCD Hwaiting!
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LaG.Gaming
Profile Joined April 2011
United States288 Posts
January 20 2012 21:03 GMT
#98
Since when has CSL had any more prestige than other small leagues? If anything, its just been a fun school tourney with plenty of mediocre players with a few semipros sprinkled in here or there. I've played in it since BW, where if you had a lineup of solid C players in your school you'd be considered one of the better schools.

Only school with a "pro" player had NoNy if I recall.



From my perspective
1 . u offending the league u gonna play
2 There is a big prize pool so its not jst for fun .
3 CSL is bigger than any other small league since it actually has big sponsors backing them up.
4 You will be surprise of how many good ppl are around California.
5 You just offended 3/4 of the participant calling them mediocre.
6 Who are you to try to change the rules ?
7 Bw is 1 game Sc2 is another game.
8 There are alot of leagues that dont accept race picking .
9. Stop complaining and do your best , a league or tournament wont change the way the rules are set just because some1 doesnt like it.
10 if u dont like it then dont participate.
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ruxin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States183 Posts
January 20 2012 21:48 GMT
#99
On January 20 2012 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 10:46 Xeris wrote:
On January 20 2012 08:22 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:40 BroboCop wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.

rofl if a terran can't win tvz on shattered temple they should uninstal the game because they are fucking terrible. the same can be said for t/p on XNC vs zerg. if you are really questioning the balance about maps which are inherently broken idk what to say.


Your point isn't even remotely relevant. What is the purpose of your post?

On January 20 2012 04:43 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 20:29 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 19 2012 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:48 Xeris wrote:
On January 19 2012 13:38 FabledIntegral wrote:
Lame.

So you have to submit your race? I can't just say "I want to play on TDA set 3"? Any particular reason? :o


Uh, that gives you an unfair advantage over others?

You can't say "I want to pick whatever matchup I'm best at when I see my opponent's race," especially when they're blind picking


How does that give any advantage whatsoever? It's not like they can't do the same. A lot of LANs allow it. I know the UCSD LAN that just happened allowed it, and MLG allows it too. Why would they be "blind picking"? They'd be doing the same...?

So you're gonna choose tvz on shattered temple and then pvz on xelnaga. How is that fair? and what if you want to play terran vs my zerg and i decide i want to play terran vs your terran and then you decide you want to play protoss vs my terran?


And this has been an issue EVER? No, throughout all the LANs that allow race picking, this NEVER becomes an issue. Show me some times where this has become an issue.

If major tournies like GSL and MLG allow it and don't experience issues, I'm very hard pressed to find how you can make that argument. If it came down to it, flip a coin. We had to do that like twice for that UCSD LAN to determine vetos and starting maps.

You also don't say why it isn't fair. Why is it unfair to choose TvZ on shattered and PvZ on Xel Naga? You can choose whatever race you want, I can choose whatever race I want. You haven't made your point.

EDIT: Reason being, I've always played ZvT instead of TvT.


Individual tournaments are different, because you know your opponent's race ahead of time. MLG also lets you change races in between games. That's fine in that setting. In a clanwar setting, it makes less sense, especially with our format.


How does it make less sense in a clanwar setting? Also, how does knowing your opponent's race ahead of time matter? Also, to continue, what's "that's fine in that setting" even mean? I've never competed in any major clanwars, but the minor leagues I've participated in ESEA and some other small one about the same size I can't remember the name also allowed race picking. In fact, CSL is the only league I've encountered so far that doesn't allow race picking.

So "not knowing your opponent's race ahead of time" suddenly makes race picking not viable? What? I simply don't understand why CSL insists that you lock your race in. Especially since you don't know your opponent's race ahead of time, you haven't prepared vs that particular race, so what does it matter what your opponent picks? Not like anyone actually prepares ahead of time in CSL anyways.


People actually DO prepare ahead of time for CSL. Maybe you don't, but just because you don't doesn't mean the rules should be less fair for someone else.

If for example, someone thinks : "ok Player X is Terran and usually plays on Metal. I'm gonna put my Terran sniper on Metal." Then, the draw is released and they guessed the player right and all of a sudden you switch ur race from Terran to Protoss and the guy spent all week practicing against Terran. Believe it or not, people take CSL seriously and practice for it.

This gives an unfair advantage to you.

And, it could lead to a really annoying situation in which both players want to matchup pick. What if both players don't play TvT, but prefer ZvT. "If you play T I'll play Z," "If you're Z I'll go T" - you could get into a big annoying argument because of it.

Is this scenario unlikely? Yes. Is it possible? Yes.

Overall, pick your race beforehand.

No, you have still failed to show how that grants any advantage. If I've said ahead of time "I don't tvt. I zvt." And they
expect me to be sent out then they expect 3 possible match ups and will have accounted for that the entire week before.


Life must be really tough for you.
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2196 Posts
January 20 2012 22:08 GMT
#100
LOTS of pictures on www.facebook.com/cstarleague

I can't be there in person but I'm soooo excited you have no idea, it's like watching a neglected child grow up into a good human being (oops, sorry Duran/Tim/everyone in CSL for being AWOL lately).

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