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Anyone who continues this absolutely terrible off topic time of play debate from page 11 and onward will be banned.

The same goes for the regular crowd of:

-Balance whiners
-Stream whiners
-Event and caster bashers
-HoN vs LoL vs Dota debaters

Stick to the games and enjoy your free event.
Hagg
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden27 Posts
December 04 2011 19:27 GMT
#181
Jesus christ, stop whining about the time being bad allready.
You do have the option to get VODs for a mere $10, and an event in CA WILL be at an awkward time for europe (and probably even east-coast US).
If they were to take Europe into consideration they would have no live audience whatsoever, people aren't generally excited about asc2 final before breakfast.
Youth is wasted on the young
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
December 04 2011 19:28 GMT
#182
On December 05 2011 04:21 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:19 aviator116 wrote:
LOL all these euro boys and girls complaining about the times...welcome to the world kids, where nothing is fair, and things don't have to go your way all the time.
seriously, GSL starts at 4am, do you see any NA people complaining? no. so shut the fuck up and deal with it

It's not really my problem, I will just watch MLG and Dreamhack and GSL etc.. It is the NASL's problem though, they're not even breaking 50k viewers.

And wwhen mlg is in Anaheim again you will be screwed. Expecting a tournament on the west coast of the united states to work for people in Europe is unrealistic
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MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 19:28:31
December 04 2011 19:28 GMT
#183
On December 05 2011 04:26 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:24 Slike wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:20 aviator116 wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:19 Valikyr wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:10 trias_e wrote:
Now the Europeans know how Americans feel about GSL. Why do you have to start at the worst time imaginable!?

That said, NASL up to this point has catered to Europeans, with their rebroadcasts and otherwise good start times. This time isn't even optimal for Americans as others have said. This is a bad decision by NASL and they are going to lose a big chunk of viewers for their grand final for little reason.

Well when do u think it's on in EU? U still can't have school or a job to watch it live over here. I wonder if they could've chosen a worse time for the finals. It's not even good for all american timezones on a sunday.

LOL yes it is...perfect time for NA actually.which is why its called the NORTH AMERICAN starleague. go make your own euro star league if you can't handle it.



Yeah because if tournaments are named after a region they obviously dont give a fuck about other region fans , lol great argument.

The arguement makes even more sense when you consider the GLOBAL starcraft 2 league being hard to watch in most of the world.


Actually the GSL is fine to watch in everywhere that's not the americas...

Oh shit i forgot by most of the world you mean USA USA USA USA USA

User was warned for this post
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Marke
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden279 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 19:28:52
December 04 2011 19:28 GMT
#184
And u wonder why nobody like americans :>


User was warned for this post
Det är inte lätt när det är svårt
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
December 04 2011 19:28 GMT
#185
On December 05 2011 04:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:03 Dexington wrote:
I feel like scheduling an event based on PST may be the worst time zone you could schedule on. It isn't convenient for anyone but them.

HOw dare they schedule the event for the timezone they are in.

Sure, but you can't deny taking other regions into account would be better for them overall....

I think they could have started about 2 hours sooner, but that's still shit times for europe.


would still be watchable though, Euros aren't asking for it to be scheduled exactly for them, just something reasonable for everyone so that the audience is at the highest it can be, why a business wouldn't want this I dont know but then again its not the first questionable decision NASL have made
Slike
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece127 Posts
December 04 2011 19:29 GMT
#186
On December 05 2011 04:26 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:24 Slike wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:20 aviator116 wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:19 Valikyr wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:10 trias_e wrote:
Now the Europeans know how Americans feel about GSL. Why do you have to start at the worst time imaginable!?

That said, NASL up to this point has catered to Europeans, with their rebroadcasts and otherwise good start times. This time isn't even optimal for Americans as others have said. This is a bad decision by NASL and they are going to lose a big chunk of viewers for their grand final for little reason.

Well when do u think it's on in EU? U still can't have school or a job to watch it live over here. I wonder if they could've chosen a worse time for the finals. It's not even good for all american timezones on a sunday.

LOL yes it is...perfect time for NA actually.which is why its called the NORTH AMERICAN starleague. go make your own euro star league if you can't handle it.



Yeah because if tournaments are named after a region they obviously dont give a fuck about other region fans , lol great argument.

The arguement makes even more sense when you consider the GLOBAL starcraft 2 league being hard to watch in most of the world.


I was actually making fun of the fact that the regional name means shit , everyone wants every fan they can get. I can assure you GSL would alter their times if they thought more fans could follow. I mean I dont ask for something extreme but make it a bit earlier... Late is fine , I stay up every time US tournaments are off but this is at 7-8 am for me and 5-6 am for rest of europe...
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 19:33:39
December 04 2011 19:29 GMT
#187
On December 05 2011 04:26 superjoppe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:24 Dispersion wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:21 ooozer wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:10 trias_e wrote:
Now the Europeans know how Americans feel about GSL. Why do you have to start at the worst time imaginable!?

That said, NASL up to this point has catered to Europeans, with their rebroadcasts and otherwise good start times. This time isn't even optimal for Americans as others have said. This is a bad decision by NASL and they are going to lose a big chunk of viewers for their grand final for little reason.



German here. GSL starts at 10 or 11 am in Germany (speaking of Code S, group stages) and lasts until 2 pm at worst.
Watched the Nasl Ro8 and Semi-1 yesterday, started 9 or 10 pm i believe, first semi final ended around 4:30 am, maybe earlier. That's bs, considering it's weekend ( well i had nothing to do this weekend so np). Can't watch the grandfinals. This tourney is simply unwatchable for the majority of the fans i believe. Could've been better, but they didn't learn a thing from last season..


Majority of the fans? It's the North American Star League, so I'm sure "most" of the fans are in the US watching at no more than 3 hours ahead of local time in California.

Why would more fans be american? It's just the freaking name of the tournament.

What time should the NASL air out of curiousity for it to be comfortable for you? I think I missed the first two groups of Dreamhack where I live (Same timezone as California) so I would have prefered it to air about 2 hours later. It wasn't a big deal for me, but I don't see any reason that NASL shouldn't air at a time friendlier for you guys. It's good business.

Edit: some guys said two hours earlier would be better for. I'd be perfectly fine with that (In fact I'd like it better). Waking up to Starcraft 2 is awesome, as is watching it with a warm cup of coffee. Also to keep in mind, Championship Sunday for MLG start at 9 oclock (Whereas NASL is starting at 12 oclock on the west coast).
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 04 2011 19:30 GMT
#188
On December 05 2011 04:28 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:26 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:24 Slike wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:20 aviator116 wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:19 Valikyr wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:10 trias_e wrote:
Now the Europeans know how Americans feel about GSL. Why do you have to start at the worst time imaginable!?

That said, NASL up to this point has catered to Europeans, with their rebroadcasts and otherwise good start times. This time isn't even optimal for Americans as others have said. This is a bad decision by NASL and they are going to lose a big chunk of viewers for their grand final for little reason.

Well when do u think it's on in EU? U still can't have school or a job to watch it live over here. I wonder if they could've chosen a worse time for the finals. It's not even good for all american timezones on a sunday.

LOL yes it is...perfect time for NA actually.which is why its called the NORTH AMERICAN starleague. go make your own euro star league if you can't handle it.



Yeah because if tournaments are named after a region they obviously dont give a fuck about other region fans , lol great argument.

The arguement makes even more sense when you consider the GLOBAL starcraft 2 league being hard to watch in most of the world.


Actually the GSL is fine to watch in everywhere that's not the americas...

Oh shit i forgot by most of the world you mean USA USA USA USA USA


I don't know about that, Some might have trouble watching it if you live in Europe. School, work..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
December 04 2011 19:30 GMT
#189
On December 05 2011 04:27 Hagg wrote:

If they were to take Europe into consideration they would have no live audience whatsoever, people aren't generally excited about asc2 final before breakfast.


2 hours earlier wouldn't make that much difference
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
December 04 2011 19:30 GMT
#190
On December 05 2011 04:27 Hagg wrote:
Jesus christ, stop whining about the time being bad allready.
You do have the option to get VODs for a mere $10, and an event in CA WILL be at an awkward time for europe (and probably even east-coast US).
If they were to take Europe into consideration they would have no live audience whatsoever, people aren't generally excited about asc2 final before breakfast.


Last season the hall was packed when the final game started 6 hours earlier.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
December 04 2011 19:31 GMT
#191
What the huk, 2am and 4 am... on a sunday to monday night.
NASL wants to kill me right? not enough monster stored
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
December 04 2011 19:31 GMT
#192
On December 05 2011 04:30 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:28 mvtaylor wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:26 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:24 Slike wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:20 aviator116 wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:19 Valikyr wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:10 trias_e wrote:
Now the Europeans know how Americans feel about GSL. Why do you have to start at the worst time imaginable!?

That said, NASL up to this point has catered to Europeans, with their rebroadcasts and otherwise good start times. This time isn't even optimal for Americans as others have said. This is a bad decision by NASL and they are going to lose a big chunk of viewers for their grand final for little reason.

Well when do u think it's on in EU? U still can't have school or a job to watch it live over here. I wonder if they could've chosen a worse time for the finals. It's not even good for all american timezones on a sunday.

LOL yes it is...perfect time for NA actually.which is why its called the NORTH AMERICAN starleague. go make your own euro star league if you can't handle it.



Yeah because if tournaments are named after a region they obviously dont give a fuck about other region fans , lol great argument.

The arguement makes even more sense when you consider the GLOBAL starcraft 2 league being hard to watch in most of the world.


Actually the GSL is fine to watch in everywhere that's not the americas...

Oh shit i forgot by most of the world you mean USA USA USA USA USA


I don't know about that, Some might have trouble watching it if you live in Europe. School, work..


We are talking about the FINALS

I don't think the majority of people work or go to school at 9am on a Saturday
@followMVT
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 04 2011 19:31 GMT
#193
GSL is very difficult to follow for both americans and euros, except for the finals and even then you have to wake up relatively early on saturday
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 04 2011 19:31 GMT
#194
On December 05 2011 04:19 aviator116 wrote:
LOL all these euro boys and girls complaining about the times...welcome to the world kids, where nothing is fair, and things don't have to go your way all the time.
seriously, GSL starts at 4am, do you see any NA people complaining? no. so shut the fuck up and deal with it


The GSL has also been going for months and months and people have gotten used to it. Add to that the guaranteed (relative) quality of the GSL... I'm rather impressed with what NASL has put together for this weekend, actually, but scheduling the finals like this is a mistake or an intentional move to alienate their european watchers.
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A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
December 04 2011 19:32 GMT
#195
On December 05 2011 04:29 Slike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:26 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:24 Slike wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:20 aviator116 wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:19 Valikyr wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:10 trias_e wrote:
Now the Europeans know how Americans feel about GSL. Why do you have to start at the worst time imaginable!?

That said, NASL up to this point has catered to Europeans, with their rebroadcasts and otherwise good start times. This time isn't even optimal for Americans as others have said. This is a bad decision by NASL and they are going to lose a big chunk of viewers for their grand final for little reason.

Well when do u think it's on in EU? U still can't have school or a job to watch it live over here. I wonder if they could've chosen a worse time for the finals. It's not even good for all american timezones on a sunday.

LOL yes it is...perfect time for NA actually.which is why its called the NORTH AMERICAN starleague. go make your own euro star league if you can't handle it.



Yeah because if tournaments are named after a region they obviously dont give a fuck about other region fans , lol great argument.

The arguement makes even more sense when you consider the GLOBAL starcraft 2 league being hard to watch in most of the world.


I was actually making fun of the fact that the regional name means shit , everyone wants every fan they can get. I can assure you GSL would alter their times if they thought more fans could follow. I mean I dont ask for something extreme but make it a bit earlier... Late is fine , I stay up every time US tournaments are off but this is at 7-8 am for me and 5-6 am for rest of europe...

Oh no i think that the GSL's times are fine, i was saying the argument that leagues should be timed according to their names wasnt true. I have a problem with NASL because they are making it hard for at least half of their viewership to watch their finals.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
December 04 2011 19:32 GMT
#196
On December 05 2011 04:26 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:03 Dexington wrote:
I feel like scheduling an event based on PST may be the worst time zone you could schedule on. It isn't convenient for anyone but them.

HOw dare they schedule the event for the timezone they are in.

Sure, but you can't deny taking other regions into account would be better for them overall....

They should, but not as priority. First comes the players, live crowd, and staff. Then comes the other timezones. PST will make it difficult for Europe no matter what. Its just how the world works. I think they could have started about 2 hours sooner, but that's still shit times for europe.

MLG manages fine, their finals usually start around 1-2 am which is something I will stay up for. They don't have to change their entire schedule just to accomodate 1 time zone but some small changes would give them a lot more EU viewers.

And MLG was usually held in EST, 3 hours ahead of where NASL is. When mlg was in anaheim, similar problems arose.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 04 2011 19:32 GMT
#197
On December 05 2011 04:31 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:30 Grettin wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:28 mvtaylor wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:26 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:24 Slike wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:20 aviator116 wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:19 Valikyr wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:10 trias_e wrote:
Now the Europeans know how Americans feel about GSL. Why do you have to start at the worst time imaginable!?

That said, NASL up to this point has catered to Europeans, with their rebroadcasts and otherwise good start times. This time isn't even optimal for Americans as others have said. This is a bad decision by NASL and they are going to lose a big chunk of viewers for their grand final for little reason.

Well when do u think it's on in EU? U still can't have school or a job to watch it live over here. I wonder if they could've chosen a worse time for the finals. It's not even good for all american timezones on a sunday.

LOL yes it is...perfect time for NA actually.which is why its called the NORTH AMERICAN starleague. go make your own euro star league if you can't handle it.



Yeah because if tournaments are named after a region they obviously dont give a fuck about other region fans , lol great argument.

The arguement makes even more sense when you consider the GLOBAL starcraft 2 league being hard to watch in most of the world.


Actually the GSL is fine to watch in everywhere that's not the americas...

Oh shit i forgot by most of the world you mean USA USA USA USA USA


I don't know about that, Some might have trouble watching it if you live in Europe. School, work..


We are talking about the FINALS

I don't think the majority of people work or go to school at 9am on a Saturday


Oh, my bad. Didn't read that carefully! You are absolutely right.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
extropy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States37 Posts
December 04 2011 19:32 GMT
#198
On December 05 2011 04:26 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 04:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:09 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 05 2011 04:03 Dexington wrote:
I feel like scheduling an event based on PST may be the worst time zone you could schedule on. It isn't convenient for anyone but them.

HOw dare they schedule the event for the timezone they are in.

Sure, but you can't deny taking other regions into account would be better for them overall....

They should, but not as priority. First comes the players, live crowd, and staff. Then comes the other timezones. PST will make it difficult for Europe no matter what. Its just how the world works. I think they could have started about 2 hours sooner, but that's still shit times for europe.

MLG manages fine, their finals usually start around 1-2 am which is something I will stay up for. They don't have to change their entire schedule just to accomodate 1 time zone but some small changes would give them a lot more EU viewers.


In fairness, most MLG events aren't on the west coast.

MLG Anaheim was on the west coast and its grand finals started only 45 minutes earlier.
mitthrawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany443 Posts
December 04 2011 19:36 GMT
#199
On December 05 2011 04:19 aviator116 wrote:
LOL all these euro boys and girls complaining about the times...welcome to the world kids, where nothing is fair, and things don't have to go your way all the time.
seriously, GSL starts at 4am, do you see any NA people complaining? no. so shut the fuck up and deal with it

GSL is not NASL. GSL starts for the EU at around 11:00am (CET), so unless you are a student or have no job, you can't watch it. But GSL is a polished product and many people happily paying 10$ bucks for the VODs. NASL is medicore at best, you would be dump to pay for VODs.

So instead of getting more people to watch the finals live, making money from ads and maybe getting people hooked to a flawed product, they are pissing off a good bunch of people (read: all of EU).

Do you still believe the complains from the EU fans are unreasonable when even for the East Coast guys the finals start at 10:00pm?
/o\
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
December 04 2011 19:36 GMT
#200
On December 05 2011 04:27 Hagg wrote:
Jesus christ, stop whining about the time being bad allready.
You do have the option to get VODs for a mere $10, and an event in CA WILL be at an awkward time for europe (and probably even east-coast US).
If they were to take Europe into consideration they would have no live audience whatsoever, people aren't generally excited about asc2 final before breakfast.

Agreed. Fucking whiners/haters, FUCK YOU.

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