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On November 29 2011 19:57 dapierow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:55 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:On November 29 2011 19:52 setzer wrote: So when forgg wins Code S are people still going to doubt whether the top BW pros would dominate SC2? Fin has been playing since season 1! It's not really like oh i switched to Sc2 now and in 3-4 weeks im a beast. He's quite familiar with the game and the current meta-game evolution. Doesnt change the fact he a BW pro
Dont get me wrong, im as hyped with Fin play as everyone on this thread. Just pointing out it's not like he swicthed to sc2 as unkown game where he didnt know anything about the meta-game (it will be like that for some BW pros when they switch).
Fin play was amazing and his control was superb, even tho some people here are trying downplay it qualifing as completely standard. And the fact that i dislike watching TvTs (aside from boxer and nada) and i enjoyed that game that says a lot.
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On November 29 2011 20:02 Seeker wrote:Like an entire separate section for the Kpop songs? yeah :D. <3.
i don't remember all of today but i'd find the vids for you if i could :D
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On November 29 2011 19:57 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:55 Medrea wrote:On November 29 2011 19:53 mrtomjones wrote:On November 29 2011 19:51 Medrea wrote:On November 29 2011 19:51 Azzur wrote: forGG has beautiful banshee control You didnt see his first two get sniped? They choose to be blind to any faults because he came from BW and is better than all. I mean theBestFoU was lambasted by tastosis for sending 2 banshees to die and here we are fawning over this guy for largely doing the same. TheBest lost his banshees to miscontrol. Fin lost them because Polt stopped them brilliantly.
There was nothing brilliant about stopping those banshees. In fact later in the game he rarely sniped a few banshees. Forgg's banshee control was insane and did so much subtle damage that reward him in the end.
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On November 29 2011 20:01 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:56 Asha` wrote:On November 29 2011 19:56 Grettin wrote:On November 29 2011 19:55 FXOpen wrote:On November 29 2011 19:53 Grettin wrote:LMAO. Hotbid~ ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RrLuG.jpg) He'd been playing for 10 months before joining oGs.... so... very...false.. Playing might not mean 'practicing' per se, though. Who knows how casually he played the first months, but other than that, you are right. He's been in GM since it started *shrug* + a brood war pro, playing casual ... highly doubt that Let's not all pretend he just switched, i am looking forward to what he's capable though.
Sounds good actually.
I bet forGG just installed SC2 on his PC before GSL today. Can we do that? Before every game he plays?
"Wow BW pro he installed like 15 mins ago so sexy"
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On November 29 2011 19:54 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:54 VENDIZ wrote:On November 29 2011 19:52 setzer wrote: So when forgg wins Code S are people still going to doubt whether the top BW pros would dominate SC2? Dude, did you miss MVP winning three GSLs? And yes, MVP > forGG when they switched... forGG slumped hard after his MSL victory in 2008 fOrGG was still very much better than MVP when MVP switched to SC2.
They have different switch time. If you compare 18 months ago MVP with 6 months ago ForGG, I would say MVP is better on BW. If you compare 18 months ago MVP with 18 months ago ForGG, maybe ForGG is better.
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damn they arent letting wolf play his own music on the B stream this time? I was like that Sum 41 last time
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On November 29 2011 20:01 Dragonmaster26 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:59 Fionn wrote:On November 29 2011 19:56 Dragonmaster26 wrote:On November 29 2011 19:54 Fionn wrote: Looking at the games, fOrGG played well, but it wasn't like he had much better macro or anything. Polt even had more SCV's and the quicker CC in game two. He lost the game because he couldn't handle the simple banshee harass. He took out the tank/marine force of fOrGG, but he lost like 30 SCV's to banshees.
Disagree; he had a better unit composition than Polt. You can argue that, but if Polt doesn't derp and let fOrGG kill half of his SCV's with an a-move idle banshee, then the supplies are even, the economy is even, etc. No question that fOrGG played much better, but the banshees in both games were the reason why he won. Shit, Polt almost came back in game two, but fucked up his first drop and then killed 30+ SCV's with his second. That just shows Finn outplayed Polt in multitasking as well (as far as it was concerned) 
Ya it wasn't really so much that Polt was playing worse than usual but instead he just got out multitasked hardcore. I don't think he has ever faced banshees quite like that before.
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On November 29 2011 20:02 Goibon wrote: On ForGG qualifying in his first attempt... didn't they recently like massively increase the number of spots from qualifiers? Kinda not a fair comparison to past players who failed to qualify. Qualifying itself is a HUGE feat no matter how many spots there are. So many good players struggled to make it.
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On November 29 2011 20:01 PiPoGevy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:55 bittman wrote:On November 29 2011 19:52 PiPoGevy wrote:On November 29 2011 19:51 bittman wrote: Meh, expecting 5 pages of praise for ForGG to Polt's average play.
I mean dont get me wrong. That was Code S level TvT by ForGG probably...but that was below Code A TvT by a player that has Code S level TvT also... Its only his first GSL though... It's not his first professional tournament though. Sure, first professional SC2 tournament, he's good I'm not saying that. But calling him "innovative" for making banshees and calling him "the best mech player" and things like that is disrespectful to people who don't have names that have been doing it for ages and still winning with it =/ Imo at least. I never said he was lol, we are just saying his performing well so far You missed every other post by forgg fans then I think he looks very solid but yah.. read back a few pages
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JYP's record vs terran is 0-9....damn hoping he can pull out the win vs Bomber
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On November 29 2011 20:00 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:54 VENDIZ wrote:On November 29 2011 19:52 setzer wrote: So when forgg wins Code S are people still going to doubt whether the top BW pros would dominate SC2? Dude, did you miss MVP winning three GSLs? And yes, MVP > forGG when they switched... forGG slumped hard after his MSL victory in 2008 2010. MVP : 11-17 between january and august. fOrGG : 29-29 between january and december. Say that again ? well the flair up in MvP's career came when he was in the MSLs and he took out both BeSt and Stork using a 2base timing push. Then he went ahead against Flash in the MSL and provided some epic games. Then he switched to SC2 then started dominating the sc2 scene. ForGG just gave semi-consistent results in proleague then just faded when the season went deep and he didn't have much chance to play and when he did, he'd often lose. Then he retires.
Moments prior to their departure from the BW scene, I would say MvP was indeed better than ForGG.
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On November 29 2011 19:59 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:56 Dragonmaster26 wrote:On November 29 2011 19:54 Fionn wrote: Looking at the games, fOrGG played well, but it wasn't like he had much better macro or anything. Polt even had more SCV's and the quicker CC in game two. He lost the game because he couldn't handle the simple banshee harass. He took out the tank/marine force of fOrGG, but he lost like 30 SCV's to banshees.
Disagree; he had a better unit composition than Polt. You can argue that, but if Polt doesn't derp and let fOrGG kill half of his SCV's with an a-move idle banshee, then the supplies are even, the economy is even, etc. No question that fOrGG played much better, but the banshees in both games were the reason why he won. Shit, Polt almost came back in game two, but fucked up his first drop and then killed 30+ SCV's with his second.
Everything was even until Polt let two banshees get 20+ worker kills and then sent marines two at a time to take them on or refused to set up more than 2 turrets to what was obviously more than a banshee opening into standard.
Dw Fionn, I get you...though you're a Polt fanboy haha
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although "The boys" is kinda good, I still prefer their old song... Gee :<
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Man ryung was so disappointing today, his TvP is getting worse over time, at least he improved his TvZ to an acceptable level.
also god damn kpop makes starcraft a complete experience.
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On November 29 2011 20:03 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:54 pdd wrote:On November 29 2011 19:54 VENDIZ wrote:On November 29 2011 19:52 setzer wrote: So when forgg wins Code S are people still going to doubt whether the top BW pros would dominate SC2? Dude, did you miss MVP winning three GSLs? And yes, MVP > forGG when they switched... forGG slumped hard after his MSL victory in 2008 fOrGG was still very much better than MVP when MVP switched to SC2. They have different switch time. If you compare 18 months ago MVP with 6 months ago ForGG, I would say MVP is better on BW. If you compare 18 months ago MVP with 18 months ago ForGG, maybe ForGG is better. forgg has been playing sc2 since last december. he just recently joined oGs
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Not to derail but:
They are pronouncing the eff sound fine in that kpop video.
Guess it just takes focus.
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On November 29 2011 20:00 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 19:57 Plexa wrote:Honestly, forgg is going straight to the top of code s. Last match he crushed Sage - one of the upcoming protoss hopes - like it was nothing. Today, he crushes polt in two games that weren't really close. You can think its blind BW elitism if you want, but I'll let the results and games speak for themselves  Plot has been playing a lot less though, hasn't he? Strategically Forgg seems to be superior than other Terrans though, the last person I saw use Banshees like that in TvT was Jinro when he vs'd MKP on Xel'Naga
Polt is probably the hardest at practice on TSL. He was #1 on KR ladder a day ago when he was laddering and has only dropped to 3rd due to not doing ladder.
Forgg is really good and could easily be Code S champion by next tournament, but I wouldn't say he showed some new higher level today that we haven't seen before. If Polt builds a ton of turrets, then both games could have been completely different. Neither game got to go past two bases for both players because Forgg's banshees wrecked everything/Polt dropped inside Forgg's base. If Forgg doesn't destroy Polt with the banshee in the main in G2, Polt more than likely wins with his gigantic drop that killed every SCV at Forgg's natural.
Forgg's macro wasn't that better when they were on even terms. Both had the same amount of SCV's and expansions. It only really tipped when Polt derped with the banshee defense.
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On November 29 2011 20:03 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 20:02 Goibon wrote: On ForGG qualifying in his first attempt... didn't they recently like massively increase the number of spots from qualifiers? Kinda not a fair comparison to past players who failed to qualify. Qualifying itself is a HUGE feat no matter how many spots there are. So many good players struggled to make it. True but it also depends who each one played. Im not going to see if he had a tough run or not myself but yah.. it could have been easy.
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the attacking nature of both players tends to magnify mistakes in the second game. but yeah, polts banshee defence was not...thebest. And getting all his scvs at his nat blown up again and again certainly didn't help.
on the other hand, it was kind of lucky that he forced a CC cancel at the start...that certainly gave him a BO advantage.
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