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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.

In addition leave the usual out of this topic:

-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions

Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
upon. Enjoy the free and wonderful event with loads of games and coverage!
kickazs
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway540 Posts
November 25 2011 22:42 GMT
#4901
ToD the american, do it for USA (according to day9)!!
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 22:43:32
November 25 2011 22:43 GMT
#4902
--- Nuked ---
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
November 25 2011 22:43 GMT
#4903
On November 26 2011 07:42 Kwanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.

Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race?

Shocking, I know.

Jinro's speaking true words.

My thought is: it seams like with Terran, that Blizz is nerfing terran not because of the race, but because of its (good) players.

MarineKing, PuMa or Polt I don't know, why did you invent 1-1-1? T;T
WriterMaru
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
November 25 2011 22:43 GMT
#4904
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.


because terran requires a ton of mechanics that foreigners can't mimic the koreans.
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
November 25 2011 22:43 GMT
#4905
On November 26 2011 07:40 hugman wrote:
I'm disappointed by DH
Game quality is lower than most tournaments, so much sloppy play


me too. Maybe GSL/MLG has spoiled us too much.
Makenshi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2105 Posts
November 25 2011 22:43 GMT
#4906
On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.

Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race?

Shocking, I know.


Out of curiosity, in your opinion if terran isn't the easiest which one do you think?

I'm not poking or anything just curious
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 25 2011 22:43 GMT
#4907
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Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#4908
And DRG somehow still seems likely to win this entire tournament.
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#4909
On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.

Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race?

Shocking, I know.


I love you Jinro. Was a pleasure meeting you at Orlando.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 22:47:15
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#4910
On November 26 2011 07:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:34 Kilby wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:24 eourcs wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:16 Kilby wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:10 R!! wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:07 Kilby wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:00 mki wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:58 Kilby wrote:
WhiteRa is absolutely awesome. How many other pro player do you know who have been at the absolute top of the game at pro level for as long as he has.

He is probably the number 1 foreigner of all time. Easily.


It's pretty early to talk about #1 foreign players of all time. You'd have to include SC1 into this discussion because SC2 is too young to call players best of all time. And when you include SC1 then there are a bunch of names which come to mind...


Well, the good thing about talking about #1 foreigner of all time is that you can talk about them at any point in time. You don't need to wait for a new extension to come into play or more tourmanents to take place. You can talk about them at any point in time because they have such long history. And in my opinion the best would be WhiteRa. Just look at what he accomplished in BW and how he remained relevant in SC2 beta and then in SC2 after publish and even now. That guy is a legend.

I really don't wanna be condescending but how can you even begin to talk about the best players of all time with such a limited knowledge?Grrrr was the only foreign player to ever win an OSL and you don't even recognize him (or his akas), not that I think that you know how big of a deal that is.


Ok I admit that I don't know who was the #1 best foreigner in SC1 but when you talk about the best foreigner in Starcaft overall you have to take SC2 into account and in that sense I would imagine WhiteRa would rank pretty highly since he appanretly had some pretty big wins in SC1 as well.


You probably shouldn't these kinds of post if you don't know the history of starcraft. White-ra was a damn good foreigner, but as Idra has said, being a good foreigner is like doing well in retard school (not the exact quote, but captures the same meaning). In SC2, Whitera has done well, but he hasn't actually won much. If anything, IdrA has had way more success (in both SC1 and SC2).


Well, I'm sorry if my posts offend you but my point was that WhiteRa has actually done very much for Starcraft overall and he is probably the number 1 foreigner overall considering SC1 and SC2. Admittably I do not know everything about SC1 history and maybe Idra can compete but I don't know if he has equally long bacground. As far as I have understood WhiteRa has been kicking ass longer than Idra.

....

The thing is foreign results in SC1 did NOT MATTER AT ALL. Grrr at one point was considered - widely - to be the best player in the world, Korea and otherwise. White-Ra is great, but he has nothing that can match this....

yup there were foreigners who actually had international success, even if only some, elky, grrr, blackman, draco, slayer

and actually most of them CONTRIBUTED to the whole scene, including Korean scene, for example legionaire performed FIRST all-kill in proffesional brood war.
Stork[gm]
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 22:45:02
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#4911
On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.

Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race?

Shocking, I know.


Too right.
PG13
Profile Joined November 2011
117 Posts
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#4912
On November 26 2011 07:43 Makenshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.

Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race?

Shocking, I know.


Out of curiosity, in your opinion if terran isn't the easiest which one do you think?

I'm not poking or anything just curious


I doubt anyone with a brain would say that protoss isn't the easiest race, lol
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#4913
The game quality will improve by the Ro16, this many games breeds lots of mistakes.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#4914
On November 26 2011 07:40 hugman wrote:
I'm disappointed by DH
Game quality is lower than most tournaments, so much sloppy play


u srs? :O

sheth vs tod and hero vs sen and sheth vs setphano and nerchio play and white-ra pvt play and nerchio zvt and the heck knows how much have i missed coz i started watching only 4 hrs ago D:
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
November 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#4915
9-10 Protosses, 2-3 Terrans, and and four zergs in the top 16. Any Koreans that are watching this must be really confused.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
November 25 2011 22:45 GMT
#4916
Ive been very busy at work etc so I'm not sure if this was posted a lot already, but I just wanted to say that I really like this tournament format with the 2 group stages followed by knockout rounds - obviously not every event can match this because of numbers - but imagine if TSL4 had something similar
Chill Winston......
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
November 25 2011 22:45 GMT
#4917
The thing I don't get is why is it that so many strong Korean players play Terran? Is it a cultural holdover from Brood War (4 out of 5 bonjwas are Terrans) or is it something else?
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Kamate
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania580 Posts
November 25 2011 22:45 GMT
#4918
Stupid, stupid, stupid.




Jinro, you are a great player, we are your fans and we love you!
Dudes who have a mouth larger then a (insert here anatomic part of a girl we used to know in younger age) - have nothing to say, much like the person in quote above
Bro_Stone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States510 Posts
November 25 2011 22:45 GMT
#4919
On November 26 2011 07:44 McFeser wrote:
9-10 Protosses, 2-3 Terrans, and and four zergs in the top 16. Any Koreans that are watching this must be really confused.


Haha, sad but true XD
Stim Go Go GO!
thewax
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria365 Posts
November 25 2011 22:46 GMT
#4920
DAT LAG!

Getting me angry...
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