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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.
In addition leave the usual out of this topic:
-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions
Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
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[QUOTE]On November 26 2011 07:48 Kilby wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 26 2011 07:40 Kilby wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 26 2011 07:37 Desert Fox wrote:
[quote]Well, I'm sorry if my posts offend you but my point was that WhiteRa has actually done very much for Starcraft overall and he is probably the number 1 foreigner overall considering SC1 and SC2. Admittably I do not know everything about SC1 history and maybe Idra can compete but I don't know if he has equally long bacground. As far as I have understood WhiteRa has been kicking ass longer than Idra.[/QUOTE]
Stop posting. Your opinion is obviously subjective, the idea of a number one is always subjective and you obviously have no idea what you're writing about if your opinion is prefaced with a "probably" after getting smacked down by everyone regarding it. Just let it go and move on.
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By the way, If I can ask, why exactly do you take it so personally that you would ask someone to not post anything ever if you think someone's opinion is subjective and cannot be absolutely defined? Seems pretty strange to me.
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I'm assuming you just struck a nerve because you did come on a starcraft website and then in what sounded to be a very arrogant way say "If I had to google him obviously he isn't that well known" (paraphrasing)
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seems like day9 is finally going insane :D
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Anyone who thinks one race is "easier" than another has an incredibly primitive view of the game. It goes with the assumption that there are no variations in playstyles or skill sets.
Also, I like how everyone seemed to take Jinro's simple, rational "Terran isn't really the easiest race" and turned it into "OH LOOK JINRO SAID THAT TERRAN IS HARD AND UP! FUCK YOU DUMB WHINY TOSS AND ZERG PLAYERS"
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On November 26 2011 07:43 JimmiC wrote:
What time in EST time zone do games start tomorrow?
It's somewhere around 0400 EST.
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Inori it's volatile.
Early stages are all about pioneering. We're still in the early stages of refining and it will be like this for a while considering we have 2 expansions to go. -_-
With that said, guys like White-Ra and Mondi have been around for a very, very long time and when push comes to shove they can get the job done.
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On November 26 2011 07:50 leo23 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:48 Taug wrote:On November 26 2011 07:43 WaSa wrote:On November 26 2011 07:40 hugman wrote:
I'm disappointed by DH
Game quality is lower than most tournaments, so much sloppy play me too. Maybe GSL/MLG has spoiled us too much. I agree, this is quite a boring tournament. I hope next DH will have quality players. Yeah I agree with these sentiments even though there has been a couple of good games here and there
Then again all the players that 'we' (well, me, ;P) looked forward to crashed and burned (Huk, Thorzain, Sjow etc) so...
is everybody just sick/tired? the casters sure are
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On November 26 2011 07:49 Bro_Stone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:47 Xoronius wrote:On November 26 2011 07:45 Bro_Stone wrote:On November 26 2011 07:44 McFeser wrote:
9-10 Protosses, 2-3 Terrans, and and four zergs in the top 16. Any Koreans that are watching this must be really confused. Haha, sad but true XD I am just curious: Why is it sad? Because in GSL Code S in the last few month=60% terran 30% zerg 10% protoss?
I know the race distribution in the GSL, but I don´t think it is sad, that there is another race dominating at another continent. I would rather say, that it is refreshing.
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On November 26 2011 07:51 Darclite wrote:
Anyone who thinks one race is "easier" than another has an incredibly primitive view of the game. It goes with the assumption that there are no variations in playstyles or skill sets.
Also, I like how everyone seemed to take Jinro's simple, rational "Terran isn't really the easiest race" and turned it into "OH LOOK JINRO SAID THAT TERRAN IS HARD AND UP! FUCK YOU DUMB WHINY TOSS AND ZERG PLAYERS"
Point out any posts like that, please.
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On November 26 2011 07:49 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:41 Bro_Stone wrote:On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete. Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know. True, most games I see of TvP for example is Terran trying to exploit a weakness while Protoss just defends defends defends until 200 supply and push with 15 WG... It's not really Protoss' fault. Right now, playing turtle Toss, as boring as it may be, is probably optimal over more agressive play. That's probably part of why MC is not doing very well in PvT despite every other korean Toss being a beast in that matchup as of late. MC turtling to get mass tech and mass upgrades? Lol. Now, with quicker upgrades, and EMP being much weaker, Terran's late game is apparently way inferior to Protoss late game, which makes turtling impossible for Terran. Conclusion, PvT is indeed a shitty matchup. I would say though. One base terran and random proxy rax are as strong as ever (too strong imo) and we always see Terrans randomly win with that regardless or their weaker late game. HotS needs to change all that, I hope. And as I write that, Happy is one base all-inning as in all his TvP I believe.
No matter who wins the game, it's a terrible matchup imo..
If terran rolls over the toss with 1-1-1 it's boring.
few months ago when games were stagnant, armies clashed and protoss armies evaporated under EMPS and terran facerolled it was boring, and now...protoss sitting there mass upgrading whilst terran really can't do anything, a few engagements, someone wins. boring.
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Everytime the same old crapy off topic-talk...
Any news on group H?
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On November 26 2011 07:52 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:49 ZenithM wrote:On November 26 2011 07:41 Bro_Stone wrote:On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete. Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know. True, most games I see of TvP for example is Terran trying to exploit a weakness while Protoss just defends defends defends until 200 supply and push with 15 WG... It's not really Protoss' fault. Right now, playing turtle Toss, as boring as it may be, is probably optimal over more agressive play. That's probably part of why MC is not doing very well in PvT despite every other korean Toss being a beast in that matchup as of late. MC turtling to get mass tech and mass upgrades? Lol. Now, with quicker upgrades, and EMP being much weaker, Terran's late game is apparently way inferior to Protoss late game, which makes turtling impossible for Terran. Conclusion, PvT is indeed a shitty matchup. I would say though. One base terran and random proxy rax are as strong as ever (too strong imo) and we always see Terrans randomly win with that regardless or their weaker late game. HotS needs to change all that, I hope. And as I write that, Happy is one base all-inning as in all his TvP I believe. No matter who wins the game, it's a terrible matchup imo.. If terran rolls over the toss with 1-1-1 it's boring. few months ago when games were stagnant, armies clashed and protoss armies evaporated and terran facerolled it was boring, and now...protoss sitting there mass upgrading whilst terran really can't do anything, a few engagements, someone wins. boring.
Agreed.
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On November 26 2011 07:52 Scrandom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:51 Darclite wrote:
Anyone who thinks one race is "easier" than another has an incredibly primitive view of the game. It goes with the assumption that there are no variations in playstyles or skill sets.
Also, I like how everyone seemed to take Jinro's simple, rational "Terran isn't really the easiest race" and turned it into "OH LOOK JINRO SAID THAT TERRAN IS HARD AND UP! FUCK YOU DUMB WHINY TOSS AND ZERG PLAYERS" Point out any posts like that, please.
Have you seen PG13's posts?
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Cute TB, :
It works in Gold league , but not in GM , 
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Bitching about a game that is ~ 1 year old.. Come on now, there still 2 huuuge patches coming.
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On November 26 2011 07:52 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:49 ZenithM wrote:On November 26 2011 07:41 Bro_Stone wrote:On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete. Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know. True, most games I see of TvP for example is Terran trying to exploit a weakness while Protoss just defends defends defends until 200 supply and push with 15 WG... It's not really Protoss' fault. Right now, playing turtle Toss, as boring as it may be, is probably optimal over more agressive play. That's probably part of why MC is not doing very well in PvT despite every other korean Toss being a beast in that matchup as of late. MC turtling to get mass tech and mass upgrades? Lol. Now, with quicker upgrades, and EMP being much weaker, Terran's late game is apparently way inferior to Protoss late game, which makes turtling impossible for Terran. Conclusion, PvT is indeed a shitty matchup. I would say though. One base terran and random proxy rax are as strong as ever (too strong imo) and we always see Terrans randomly win with that regardless or their weaker late game. HotS needs to change all that, I hope. And as I write that, Happy is one base all-inning as in all his TvP I believe. No matter who wins the game, it's a terrible matchup imo.. If terran rolls over the toss with 1-1-1 it's boring. few months ago when games were stagnant, armies clashed and protoss armies evaporated and terran facerolled it was boring, and now...protoss sitting there mass upgrading whilst terran really can't do anything, a few engagements, someone wins. boring.
I don't think a Terran has used a 1/1/1 allin except happy with medivacs and that doesn't pull scvs and has an expo.
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On November 26 2011 07:51 Darclite wrote:
Anyone who thinks one race is "easier" than another has an incredibly primitive view of the game. It goes with the assumption that there are no variations in playstyles or skill sets.
Also, I like how everyone seemed to take Jinro's simple, rational "Terran isn't really the easiest race" and turned it into "OH LOOK JINRO SAID THAT TERRAN IS HARD AND UP! FUCK YOU DUMB WHINY TOSS AND ZERG PLAYERS"
No. It's more the fact that if you admit to playing Terran on this forum (no matter what level you play at) you are immediately criticized and laughed at because you play the "OP" race. Somehow because of their opinion on Terran, anything you say from there onwards is just invalid to them.
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Where is Mana vs. Titan? That's the game I wanna see the most considering the group standings.
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On November 26 2011 07:53 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:52 Scrandom wrote:On November 26 2011 07:51 Darclite wrote:
Anyone who thinks one race is "easier" than another has an incredibly primitive view of the game. It goes with the assumption that there are no variations in playstyles or skill sets.
Also, I like how everyone seemed to take Jinro's simple, rational "Terran isn't really the easiest race" and turned it into "OH LOOK JINRO SAID THAT TERRAN IS HARD AND UP! FUCK YOU DUMB WHINY TOSS AND ZERG PLAYERS" Point out any posts like that, please. Have you seen PG13's posts?
The guy has like 60 posts, he is obliviously just trolling based on posts prior to Jinro's comments, do you have anything else?
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On November 26 2011 07:49 Shurayuki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:49 hasuterrans wrote:On November 26 2011 07:34 Kilby wrote:On November 26 2011 07:24 eourcs wrote:On November 26 2011 07:16 Kilby wrote:On November 26 2011 07:10 R!! wrote:On November 26 2011 07:07 Kilby wrote:On November 26 2011 07:00 mki wrote:On November 26 2011 06:58 Kilby wrote:
WhiteRa is absolutely awesome. How many other pro player do you know who have been at the absolute top of the game at pro level for as long as he has.
He is probably the number 1 foreigner of all time. Easily. It's pretty early to talk about #1 foreign players of all time. You'd have to include SC1 into this discussion because SC2 is too young to call players best of all time. And when you include SC1 then there are a bunch of names which come to mind... Well, the good thing about talking about #1 foreigner of all time is that you can talk about them at any point in time. You don't need to wait for a new extension to come into play or more tourmanents to take place. You can talk about them at any point in time because they have such long history. And in my opinion the best would be WhiteRa. Just look at what he accomplished in BW and how he remained relevant in SC2 beta and then in SC2 after publish and even now. That guy is a legend. I really don't wanna be condescending but how can you even begin to talk about the best players of all time with such a limited knowledge?Grrrr was the only foreign player to ever win an OSL and you don't even recognize him (or his akas), not that I think that you know how big of a deal that is. Ok I admit that I don't know who was the #1 best foreigner in SC1 but when you talk about the best foreigner in Starcaft overall you have to take SC2 into account and in that sense I would imagine WhiteRa would rank pretty highly since he appanretly had some pretty big wins in SC1 as well. You probably shouldn't these kinds of post if you don't know the history of starcraft. White-ra was a damn good foreigner, but as Idra has said, being a good foreigner is like doing well in retard school (not the exact quote, but captures the same meaning). In SC2, Whitera has done well, but he hasn't actually won much. If anything, IdrA has had way more success (in both SC1 and SC2). Well, I'm sorry if my posts offend you but my point was that WhiteRa has actually done very much for Starcraft overall and he is probably the number 1 foreigner overall considering SC1 and SC2. Admittably I do not know everything about SC1 history and maybe Idra can compete but I don't know if he has equally long bacground. As far as I have understood WhiteRa has been kicking ass longer than Idra. White-Ra was really good for a foreigner at SC1, but he wasn't the best foreigner, not even close. His mechanics just weren't good enough for the highest levels of BW : \ good enough for Boxer *snip*
Which isn't saying much 
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