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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.

In addition leave the usual out of this topic:

-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions

Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
upon. Enjoy the free and wonderful event with loads of games and coverage!
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
November 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#4761
On November 26 2011 07:15 sleepingdog wrote:
I don't wanna create a bad mood, but this PvT shows everything that's wrong with SC2 right now - big balls clashing against each other again and again and again....meh...

Don't blame the game, blame the players.
o choro é livre
Vira
Profile Joined November 2010
573 Posts
November 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#4762
On November 26 2011 07:15 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:12 Kilby wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:03 Olinimm wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:02 Kilby wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:59 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:58 Kilby wrote:
WhiteRa is absolutely awesome. How many other pro player do you know who have been at the absolute top of the game at pro level for as long as he has.

He is probably the number 1 foreigner of all time. Easily.


Giyom would like a word - still, WhiteRa is amazing and just overall loveable. I can still remember Demuslim casting a WhiteRa-game, going on and on how you can never be angry at him even if he stomps you


The fact that I even need to Google for Giyom tells me otherwise.

Your ignorance doesn't constitute a sufficient argument, my apologies.


Actually it does and that was the point. I was not around for SC1 and so I can tell you for sure that Giyom has not been a big deal for SC2 at all. So considering SC2 as well WhiteRa would overcome.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Grrr

Is the guy he's referring to. Arguably, no foreigner ever got the same success in SC1 since.


Elky?
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
November 25 2011 22:16 GMT
#4763
On November 26 2011 07:10 R!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:07 Kilby wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:00 mki wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:58 Kilby wrote:
WhiteRa is absolutely awesome. How many other pro player do you know who have been at the absolute top of the game at pro level for as long as he has.

He is probably the number 1 foreigner of all time. Easily.


It's pretty early to talk about #1 foreign players of all time. You'd have to include SC1 into this discussion because SC2 is too young to call players best of all time. And when you include SC1 then there are a bunch of names which come to mind...


Well, the good thing about talking about #1 foreigner of all time is that you can talk about them at any point in time. You don't need to wait for a new extension to come into play or more tourmanents to take place. You can talk about them at any point in time because they have such long history. And in my opinion the best would be WhiteRa. Just look at what he accomplished in BW and how he remained relevant in SC2 beta and then in SC2 after publish and even now. That guy is a legend.

I really don't wanna be condescending but how can you even begin to talk about the best players of all time with such a limited knowledge?Grrrr was the only foreign player to ever win an OSL and you don't even recognize him (or his akas), not that I think that you know how big of a deal that is.


Ok I admit that I don't know who was the #1 best foreigner in SC1 but when you talk about the best foreigner in Starcaft overall you have to take SC2 into account and in that sense I would imagine WhiteRa would rank pretty highly since he appanretly had some pretty big wins in SC1 as well.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 25 2011 22:16 GMT
#4764
On November 26 2011 07:15 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:15 sleepingdog wrote:
I don't wanna create a bad mood, but this PvT shows everything that's wrong with SC2 right now - big balls clashing against each other again and again and again....meh...

Don't blame the game, blame the players.


really?

I blame the game, because once you try multi-pronged harass your ball is smaller and you just lose the ball vs ball fight terribly.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 25 2011 22:19 GMT
#4765
Good stuff mana ;D
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
November 25 2011 22:19 GMT
#4766
Kas' army looked like it ran into a blender.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 22:20:21
November 25 2011 22:19 GMT
#4767
On November 26 2011 07:11 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:09 Derez wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:03 Rikke wrote:
Whats up with the Terrans? -_-

I'd argue that the skillgap between korean T's and foreigner T's is huge, and much larger then the gap for P/Z. There are simply not that many foreigner terrans that can compete, which this tournament is proving yet again.

DH should have gotten themselves some more koreans, makes for a much more fun tourney. It's a sad day when I find myself cheering for PuMa ;p.

That's why the likes of GanZi and TOP lose to 36-35 PvT interntional TLPD like Gatored.
This argument doesn't stand

Ganzi's TvP is by far his worst matchup and let's just say that there's a reason top recently dropped out of code S.

There's simply no really competitive terrans in EU/NA, just look at the international TLPD. Kas, Thorzain and Major are the only ones that get close to the koreans, for Kas due to insignificant wins in more minor leagues, Thorzain seems to be currently slumping (he was competitive for a while, I'll give you that) and all that major has accomplished is 1 decent MLG run.

Demuslim is probably the most promising, but seems to get screwed over by random events from time to time. A thorzain comeback would be cool also, but until then, T's won't have much to say in foreigner events.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4768
just can't do anything when people control their templar like that and the obs lives, he spent too much time cloaked and couldnt even emp when it mattered gg mana =( kas
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4769
Close game

Kas had so much money, he should just have done like 3 pf to defend the center I think and he didn't emp the ht :/
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4770
On November 26 2011 07:19 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:11 Poopi wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:09 Derez wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:03 Rikke wrote:
Whats up with the Terrans? -_-

I'd argue that the skillgap between korean T's and foreigner T's is huge, and much larger then the gap for P/Z. There are simply not that many foreigner terrans that can compete, which this tournament is proving yet again.

DH should have gotten themselves some more koreans, makes for a much more fun tourney. It's a sad day when I find myself cheering for PuMa ;p.

That's why the likes of GanZi and TOP lose to 36-35 PvT interntional TLPD like Gatored.
This argument doesn't stand

Ganzi's TvP is by far his worst matchup and let's just say that there's a reason top recently dropped out of code S.

There's simply no really competitive terrans in EU/NA, just look at the international TLPD. Kas, Thorzain and Major are the only ones that get close to the koreans, for Kas due to insignificant wins in more minor leagues, Thorzain seems to be currently slumping (he was competitive for a while, I'll give you that) and all that major has accomplished is 1 decent MLG run.

Demuslim is probably the most promising, but seems to get screwed over by random events from time to time.


bratok could've been big, but his visa-problems constantly screwed him
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4771
On November 26 2011 07:11 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:09 Derez wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:03 Rikke wrote:
Whats up with the Terrans? -_-

I'd argue that the skillgap between korean T's and foreigner T's is huge, and much larger then the gap for P/Z. There are simply not that many foreigner terrans that can compete, which this tournament is proving yet again.

DH should have gotten themselves some more koreans, makes for a much more fun tourney. It's a sad day when I find myself cheering for PuMa ;p.

That's why the likes of GanZi and TOP lose to 36-35 PvT interntional TLPD like Gatored.
This argument doesn't stand


An exception to a trend does not debunk the entire trend.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4772
Did Kas use more than 1 emp that entire engagement? Every one of those templars was stacked up.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4773
2 terrans in ro 16 ...
yo
EEhantiming
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada519 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4774
Mana vs Kas 2-1
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4775
9 protoss to ro 16 im Happy lol sry T and Z
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1359 Posts
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4776
so why storm radius is not decrease too ?
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 22:21:37
November 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#4777
On November 26 2011 07:15 sleepingdog wrote:
I don't wanna create a bad mood, but this PvT shows everything that's wrong with SC2 right now - big balls clashing against each other again and again and again....meh...

It seems the "Times you can clash your big ball against another big ball count" has reached 0 for Kas.
kickazs
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway540 Posts
November 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#4778
lol, Protoss dominance
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#4779
Nice one Mana!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
November 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#4780
On November 26 2011 07:20 JohnMatrix wrote:
so why storm radius is not decrease too ?


It was decreased already. No need to do it again.
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