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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.

In addition leave the usual out of this topic:

-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions

Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
upon. Enjoy the free and wonderful event with loads of games and coverage!
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
November 25 2011 22:09 GMT
#4741
On November 26 2011 07:07 R!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:05 Zalithian wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:03 Rikke wrote:
Whats up with the Terrans? -_-


Terran hasn't really been very strong in tournaments outside of that one MLG, and in GSL. This isn't surprising at all. Combine that with Terran nerfs/Protoss buffs, and voila, Terran still doing bad in foreign events.

Foreign terrans haven't won anything in ages, lotr ages.


Yep. It was always GOM or just Koreans making Terrans seem OP.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
November 25 2011 22:09 GMT
#4742
I really like TLO's castings. I think the german accent makes him better imo (not only because I'm from Germany )
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
November 25 2011 22:10 GMT
#4743
On November 26 2011 07:07 Kilby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:00 mki wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:58 Kilby wrote:
WhiteRa is absolutely awesome. How many other pro player do you know who have been at the absolute top of the game at pro level for as long as he has.

He is probably the number 1 foreigner of all time. Easily.


It's pretty early to talk about #1 foreign players of all time. You'd have to include SC1 into this discussion because SC2 is too young to call players best of all time. And when you include SC1 then there are a bunch of names which come to mind...


Well, the good thing about talking about #1 foreigner of all time is that you can talk about them at any point in time. You don't need to wait for a new extension to come into play or more tourmanents to take place. You can talk about them at any point in time because they have such long history. And in my opinion the best would be WhiteRa. Just look at what he accomplished in BW and how he remained relevant in SC2 beta and then in SC2 after publish and even now. That guy is a legend.

I really don't wanna be condescending but how can you even begin to talk about the best players of all time with such a limited knowledge?Grrrr was the only foreign player to ever win an OSL and you don't even recognize him (or his akas), not that I think that you know how big of a deal that is.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
Ovreel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States206 Posts
November 25 2011 22:10 GMT
#4744
Amazing storms from Mana!
Keo.837 Twitch.tv/Ovreel
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
November 25 2011 22:11 GMT
#4745
On November 26 2011 07:09 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:03 Rikke wrote:
Whats up with the Terrans? -_-

I'd argue that the skillgap between korean T's and foreigner T's is huge, and much larger then the gap for P/Z. There are simply not that many foreigner terrans that can compete, which this tournament is proving yet again.

DH should have gotten themselves some more koreans, makes for a much more fun tourney. It's a sad day when I find myself cheering for PuMa ;p.

That's why the likes of GanZi and TOP lose to 36-35 PvT interntional TLPD like Gatored.
This argument doesn't stand
WriterMaru
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
November 25 2011 22:11 GMT
#4746
nice for Kas but mana can instaremax lol, game on DH2 still going strong
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
UBavarice
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden358 Posts
November 25 2011 22:11 GMT
#4747
On November 26 2011 07:09 Serinox wrote:
I really like TLO's castings. I think the german accent makes him better imo (not only because I'm from Germany )

I really like listening to it as well. Calming somehow.
The Creator of the Universe, LG-IM.NesTea | The Gracken, IdrA | The Spoon Terran, "Big Papa" EG.ThorZaIN --- Fighting!!
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#4748
Looking great for mana atm, cant see him losing this.
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
November 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#4749
On November 26 2011 07:03 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:02 Kilby wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:59 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:58 Kilby wrote:
WhiteRa is absolutely awesome. How many other pro player do you know who have been at the absolute top of the game at pro level for as long as he has.

He is probably the number 1 foreigner of all time. Easily.


Giyom would like a word - still, WhiteRa is amazing and just overall loveable. I can still remember Demuslim casting a WhiteRa-game, going on and on how you can never be angry at him even if he stomps you


The fact that I even need to Google for Giyom tells me otherwise.

Your ignorance doesn't constitute a sufficient argument, my apologies.


Actually it does and that was the point. I was not around for SC1 and so I can tell you for sure that Giyom has not been a big deal for SC2 at all. So considering SC2 as well WhiteRa would overcome.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#4750
perfect game to get medivac energy :3
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#4751
"Happy is not as mechanically sound as Sjow."
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
November 25 2011 22:13 GMT
#4752
On November 26 2011 07:12 ZenithM wrote:
"Happy is not as mechanically sound as Sjow."

Crass, just crass.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 22:13:51
November 25 2011 22:13 GMT
#4753
wow nightend 2:0'd mana? what happened in the games?
mlspmatt
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada404 Posts
November 25 2011 22:14 GMT
#4754
On November 26 2011 07:08 MasterKush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:07 mlspmatt wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:03 Rikke wrote:
Whats up with the Terrans? -_-

To my knowledge there are no Korean terrans in this tournament? So the terrans are doing about as well as they usually do. You know, being OP and all.


Someone ban this guy please. Read the top of the thread, no balance whines - especially about a race that are underperforming and have been for a while.

Not a balance whine. Non-Korean terrans have underperfomed, yet its a common theme that Terran is the best race largly based on what happens in Korea. And there are no Korean terrans in this tournament. That would lead me to the conclusion that terran would underpeform Zerg and protoss here. Maybe there are better Zerg and protoss outside Korea and better terrans inside Korea?
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#4755
I don't wanna create a bad mood, but this PvT shows everything that's wrong with SC2 right now - big balls clashing against each other again and again and again....meh...
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1359 Posts
November 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#4756
On November 26 2011 07:13 Tsubbi wrote:
wow nightend 2:0'd mana? what happened in the games?


pvp ?
defteH
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom134 Posts
November 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#4757
On November 26 2011 07:11 UBavarice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:09 Serinox wrote:
I really like TLO's castings. I think the german accent makes him better imo (not only because I'm from Germany )

I really like listening to it as well. Calming somehow.


Seconded.
"Think outside the box, collapse the box and take a f***ing sharp knife to it"
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
November 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#4758
Auch Mana, that was bad
I have no quote!
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#4759
On November 26 2011 07:12 Kilby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 07:03 Olinimm wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:02 Kilby wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:59 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 26 2011 06:58 Kilby wrote:
WhiteRa is absolutely awesome. How many other pro player do you know who have been at the absolute top of the game at pro level for as long as he has.

He is probably the number 1 foreigner of all time. Easily.


Giyom would like a word - still, WhiteRa is amazing and just overall loveable. I can still remember Demuslim casting a WhiteRa-game, going on and on how you can never be angry at him even if he stomps you


The fact that I even need to Google for Giyom tells me otherwise.

Your ignorance doesn't constitute a sufficient argument, my apologies.


Actually it does and that was the point. I was not around for SC1 and so I can tell you for sure that Giyom has not been a big deal for SC2 at all. So considering SC2 as well WhiteRa would overcome.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Grrr

Is the guy he's referring to. Arguably, no foreigner ever got the same success in SC1 since.
Sea_aeS
Profile Joined November 2011
1025 Posts
November 25 2011 22:15 GMT
#4760
I rly love Kas positionning !!!
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