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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.

In addition leave the usual out of this topic:

-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions

Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
upon. Enjoy the free and wonderful event with loads of games and coverage!
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
November 25 2011 19:32 GMT
#4041
If you don't know what to watch right now during the break, tune in for some Quake action
http://www.twitch.tv/team/dreamhack
there are lot of matches coming up.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 25 2011 19:32 GMT
#4042
On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 Packawana wrote:
And that's it, all the Koreans into the Ro16.

I'm putting bets right now on DRG or PuMa to take the tourney. HerO less so only because there are a lot of good zergs left over.


Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.

Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners.

Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance.


???

thorzain was the best euro at one point

Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.)


Being the best foreigner terran is nothing like being the best foreigner zerg or protoss. The top foreign protoss could very well be the best protoss in the world and 1 or 2 of the best foreign zergs could probably lay claim to the top5 zerg in the world statement. However Thorzain, as good as he is, probably is not a top10 terran.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
November 25 2011 19:32 GMT
#4043
On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 Packawana wrote:
And that's it, all the Koreans into the Ro16.

I'm putting bets right now on DRG or PuMa to take the tourney. HerO less so only because there are a lot of good zergs left over.


Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.

Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners.

Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance.


???

thorzain was the best euro at one point

Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.)


I don't think you can place anyone as the 'best' foreign Terran. There are a bunch of good Terrans who are close in skill but none of them is dominating to be deemed as the best Terran. Thorzain seems the closest to that title but needs some good tournament finishes to be cement that position. Demuslim has been hyped for a while but he doesn't take part in many tournaments so it is hard to judge him. Select/Sjow/Major/Fenix are all up there but seem to have consistency issues. Kas has yet to show good results in LANs. I think that is pretty much it.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
November 25 2011 19:32 GMT
#4044
On November 26 2011 04:30 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 Packawana wrote:
And that's it, all the Koreans into the Ro16.

I'm putting bets right now on DRG or PuMa to take the tourney. HerO less so only because there are a lot of good zergs left over.


Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.

Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners.

Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance.


???

thorzain was the best euro at one point

Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.)


Kas is up there. Team Empire got some fierce terrans. Other that that? Select. DeMuslim is not.

Why is Demuslim not considered good? Anyways, don't forget about Strelok either. And . . . I think that is it.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12905 Posts
November 25 2011 19:32 GMT
#4045
On November 26 2011 04:32 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 Packawana wrote:
And that's it, all the Koreans into the Ro16.

I'm putting bets right now on DRG or PuMa to take the tourney. HerO less so only because there are a lot of good zergs left over.


Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.

Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners.

Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance.


???

thorzain was the best euro at one point

Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.)


Being the best foreigner terran is nothing like being the best foreigner zerg or protoss. The top foreign protoss could very well be the best protoss in the world and 1 or 2 of the best foreign zergs could probably lay claim to the top5 zerg in the world statement. However Thorzain, as good as he is, probably is not a top10 terran.

Slayers players disagree
WriterMaru
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
November 25 2011 19:32 GMT
#4046
On November 26 2011 04:32 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 Packawana wrote:
And that's it, all the Koreans into the Ro16.

I'm putting bets right now on DRG or PuMa to take the tourney. HerO less so only because there are a lot of good zergs left over.


Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.

Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners.

Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance.


???

thorzain was the best euro at one point

Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.)


Being the best foreigner terran is nothing like being the best foreigner zerg or protoss. The top foreign protoss could very well be the best protoss in the world and 1 or 2 of the best foreign zergs could probably lay claim to the top5 zerg in the world statement. However Thorzain, as good as he is, probably is not a top10 terran.


That's mainly just because Korea seems to love that race so damn much.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
November 25 2011 19:33 GMT
#4047
On November 26 2011 04:29 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:25 McFeser wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:22 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 R!! wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:15 WaSa wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:14 NeilSC wrote:
Terran slumping in past few events, are they the new P??


lawl, they need to "slump" 10x worse than this in several months then you can...uhm..."start"

When was the last time a foreign terran won anything?I know what I think when I see Naniwa winning stuff while Thorzain doesn't get even close, taking into consideration the massive difference between them in wc3.


The last one to win anything was ThorZaiN himself in TSL3.

Select won the American Invational and Sjow won that random tournament in Korea - but I don't know if that counts.


Yeah i forgot the American invite, guess that counts. The IESF tourney had a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally weak player pool though.


I think you have to remember how many events SelecT came in 2nd to idra though. I think they've had 1-2 finishes or idra knocked select out in the Ro4 4 or 5 times. Obviously stylistically idra lines up well against SelecT in that MU and TvZ is probably selects weakest MU.
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
November 25 2011 19:34 GMT
#4048
On November 26 2011 04:29 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 Packawana wrote:
And that's it, all the Koreans into the Ro16.

I'm putting bets right now on DRG or PuMa to take the tourney. HerO less so only because there are a lot of good zergs left over.


Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.

Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners.

Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance.


???

thorzain was the best euro at one point

Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.)


Sjow/SelecT are pretty obvious contenders. Puma might also count as a foreigner given a few more months outside Korea if Select does.


MVP is the best foreign terran.. he spent several days outside of korea earlier this month
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
November 25 2011 19:34 GMT
#4049
Wow, HuK and Sheth the only remaining representatives of North America.

Really hope a foriegner wins this... Preferably White-Ra or HuK... We need a North American in the Blizzard cup.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 25 2011 19:34 GMT
#4050
On November 26 2011 04:31 secretary bird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:25 WaSa wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:19 MasterKush wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:15 WaSa wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:14 NeilSC wrote:
Terran slumping in past few events, are they the new P??


lawl, they need to "slump" 10x worse than this in several months then you can...uhm..."start"


It must be fun to climb on board the "Let's Hate Terran" campaign that seems to be in this community. But let's face it, they have been weak since the ghost nerf patch (1.4.2?).


No? I don't see any weakness - just that the game became more balanced since the Ghost nerf. EMP shoul've never been that strong in the first place. As for foreign terrans not winning anything, well they aren't as good as their korean peers and their pretty far from that korean skill ceiling than their toss/zerg counterparts.

As for ladder, I ain't terran so maybe their too weak there so Idk...


Well you need to be Korean to play terran on a high level as its much harder than the other races obviously.

But there are still many korean terrans who seem able to compete for now, we will see in the next months.


Obviously you don't need to be Korean, but yes it's very, very hard to get the absolute best out of the terran race, that's why you see it struggle in the foreign scene. Of course people here will deny this because the website is anti-terran in general, but it's reality. It's not underpowered, just hard.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
November 25 2011 19:34 GMT
#4051
On November 26 2011 04:33 MoreFaSho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:29 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:25 McFeser wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:22 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 R!! wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:15 WaSa wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:14 NeilSC wrote:
Terran slumping in past few events, are they the new P??


lawl, they need to "slump" 10x worse than this in several months then you can...uhm..."start"

When was the last time a foreign terran won anything?I know what I think when I see Naniwa winning stuff while Thorzain doesn't get even close, taking into consideration the massive difference between them in wc3.


The last one to win anything was ThorZaiN himself in TSL3.

Select won the American Invational and Sjow won that random tournament in Korea - but I don't know if that counts.


Yeah i forgot the American invite, guess that counts. The IESF tourney had a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally weak player pool though.


I think you have to remember how many events SelecT came in 2nd to idra though. I think they've had 1-2 finishes or idra knocked select out in the Ro4 4 or 5 times. Obviously stylistically idra lines up well against SelecT in that MU and TvZ is probably selects weakest MU.


Nah, TvT is Select's weakest matchup by far
MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
November 25 2011 19:34 GMT
#4052
On November 26 2011 04:25 WaSa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:19 MasterKush wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:15 WaSa wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:14 NeilSC wrote:
Terran slumping in past few events, are they the new P??


lawl, they need to "slump" 10x worse than this in several months then you can...uhm..."start"


It must be fun to climb on board the "Let's Hate Terran" campaign that seems to be in this community. But let's face it, they have been weak since the ghost nerf patch (1.4.2?).


No? I don't see any weakness - just that the game became more balanced since the Ghost nerf. EMP shoul've never been that strong in the first place. As for foreign terrans not winning anything, well they aren't as good as their korean peers and their pretty far from that korean skill ceiling than their toss/zerg counterparts.

As for ladder, I ain't terran so maybe their too weak there so Idk...


Sorry, I don't understand that statement... are you trying to say that all current foreign Terrans are weaker than their foreign Protoss/Zerg counterparts, or are you just saying that foreign Terrans aren't as good as Korean Terrans? /confused. The former statement is pretty ridiculous and lolworthy. The second statement is just silly, because Koreans are better across the board, not just the Terrans.

I'm not going to bite and feed the trolls anymore anyway, don't want to derail the thread any further.
Seen some good games from DH so far, my money is on DRG to take it.
"Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know." - Liquid`Jinro
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
November 25 2011 19:34 GMT
#4053
On November 26 2011 04:25 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 04:22 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:20 R!! wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:15 WaSa wrote:
On November 26 2011 04:14 NeilSC wrote:
Terran slumping in past few events, are they the new P??


lawl, they need to "slump" 10x worse than this in several months then you can...uhm..."start"

When was the last time a foreign terran won anything?I know what I think when I see Naniwa winning stuff while Thorzain doesn't get even close, taking into consideration the massive difference between them in wc3.


The last one to win anything was ThorZaiN himself in TSL3.

Select won the American Invational and Sjow won that random tournament in Korea - but I don't know if that counts.

If you put into perspective the amount of tournaments that happened since TSL3, foreign terran's last big tournament win happened 10 years ago, but by all means keep calling terran imbalanced whenever MVP or MMA win a tournament, they can be considered your average joe and thrown into the equation like np, everyone gets a MSL quarter finals against flash.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
SharkHuh
Profile Joined June 2011
United States129 Posts
November 25 2011 19:35 GMT
#4054
Does does 21.30 their time convert to eastern time zone?
mataxp
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Chile538 Posts
November 25 2011 19:35 GMT
#4055
so, white- ra should be playing like, now?
Liquid.Hero Startale.Bomber MVP.Dongraegu
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
November 25 2011 19:35 GMT
#4056
Good to see Naame do well. Time for a come back!

Sad to see Thorzain go... where's our foreinger terran hope? QQ
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 25 2011 19:35 GMT
#4057
a bit of a random question, but can somebody tell me what genre/songs are going on in Day9's DH stream?
dats racist
Gool
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina204 Posts
November 25 2011 19:35 GMT
#4058
Great song on tastosis' stream!
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1689 Posts
November 25 2011 19:35 GMT
#4059
12:30 PST (-08:00) Group G/H - Round 1
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
November 25 2011 19:37 GMT
#4060
My hypothesis for why you don't see so many dominating foreign Terran players is because the learning curve is very different. While for Protoss, it is easy to get the hang of the race but very hard to succeed at the highest level of play (GSL), for Terran it is a lot harder to get the hang of (read: play below Korean standards) but a lot easier comparatively to win with at the highest level of play.

At least, it looked to be that way until about a month ago, when Protoss returned and there was a PvP finals in MLG Orlando... that kind of ruined by nice, neat hypothesis.
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