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On November 20 2011 20:44 Defacer wrote:
It was very obvious, at least to me, that Naniwa was bitching and whining so he could pull off a pre-planned cannon rush on Shakura's Plateau.
There should be an asterisk forever associated with this win.
*Won after choosing the map and delaying the game multiple times for an unfair advantage".
I'm getting fed up of reading this thread...
Nani has won with Nestea TWICE, and he won with MVP too... You don't like your old idols loosing? Go cry somewhere else.
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On November 20 2011 20:21 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 20:16 rblstr wrote:
Guys it's been like 400 pages get over it already. Jeez SC2 fans love drama. I'd thumb down nestea after beating him too, he was too cocky.
Nani fighting, hope he takes the whole tournament I'll quote something TT1 said about 100 pages ago: Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 11:50 TT1 wrote:
yo dudes theres a huge difference between mc thumbing idra down and naniwa thumbing nestea down, same thing happened when i flipped out over idra not gging vs boxer(in s1 of nasl).. i could give a shit if idra doesnt gg vs 99% of the players but theres some players that u just cant disrespect Imagine if Naniwa thumbed down Boxer.....there will be anarchy.
I dont know if it was a joke but What TT1 wrote is probably the most stupid thing i have ever heard. All people are equals m8.
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On November 20 2011 20:53 Coolhwip wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 20:21 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 20:16 rblstr wrote:
Guys it's been like 400 pages get over it already. Jeez SC2 fans love drama. I'd thumb down nestea after beating him too, he was too cocky.
Nani fighting, hope he takes the whole tournament I'll quote something TT1 said about 100 pages ago: On November 20 2011 11:50 TT1 wrote:
yo dudes theres a huge difference between mc thumbing idra down and naniwa thumbing nestea down, same thing happened when i flipped out over idra not gging vs boxer(in s1 of nasl).. i could give a shit if idra doesnt gg vs 99% of the players but theres some players that u just cant disrespect Imagine if Naniwa thumbed down Boxer.....there will be anarchy. I dont know if it was a joke but What TT1 wrote is probably the most stupid thing i have ever heard. All people are equals m8.
Yeah this whole thread is kind of rotten to be honest, they should just had closed it permanently. NesTea fanboys everywhere.
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Regardless of what you think of the game in question, there really needs to be a rule that players can't communicate with anyone except tournament officials during pauses.
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On November 20 2011 20:44 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 20:38 Grend wrote:
Just watched the game and to me it seemed like whether Naniwa did this or that is pretty irrelevant. He outplayed Nestea by pulling off a cannon rush that Nestea should have been able to stop and a tech snipe followed by a devastating timing attack.
It seems to me that merely "rubbing off" dubious events that would be deemed unacceptable in more mature fields is hurting e-sports!Jokes aside, Naniwa won. However, there should be absolutely no justification for a coach entering hsi player's booth mid-game; even without proof, that is a behaviour so inconvenient, so inherently prone to cheating that at least a formal warning and/or excuses should be issued.
I agree on this of course but the question then is whether the staff allowed the other person to enter the booth (which I assume is the case) or if the person just barged in. You cannot really fault Nani for it if MLG staff allowed it, then it is their responsibility in my opinion. Does not mean it is not a bad decision though
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MLG definitely dropped the ball big time if they allowed Naniwa to watch the replay of an unfinished game to know what his opponent's BO was going to be in the regame. Of course it gives an advantage to know that your opponent is going hatch first to make Naniwa go forge first instead of Nexus first, which he often does instead.
I guarantee you that experienced officials from Korea such as those employed by KESPA would have never allowed this situation to take place, and if it did take place - chances are Naniwa would have gotten an instaloss. Also, a manager should not have really been allowed to speak to Naniwa without a ref present.
But what can you do? The MLG refs are probably pretty inexperienced with StarCraft in general, so it's to be expected.
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Look at all these zerg fanbois qqing because Nani stomped Nestea twice in 2 days 
Man up, dont be an Idra.
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On November 20 2011 21:05 ABear wrote:
MLG definitely dropped the ball big time if they allowed Naniwa to watch the replay of an unfinished game to know what his opponent's BO was going to be in the regame. Of course it gives an advantage to know that your opponent is going hatch first to make Naniwa go forge first instead of Nexus first, which he often does instead.
I guarantee you that experienced officials from Korea such as those employed by KESPA would have never allowed this situation to take place, and if it did take place - chances are Naniwa would have gotten an instaloss. Also, a manager should not have really been allowed to speak to Naniwa without a ref present.
But what can you do? The MLG refs are probably pretty inexperienced with StarCraft in general, so it's to be expected.
Wait what? Did he really get to do that, any text that can confirm it?
If he did then I would defiantly call it cheating =/
On November 20 2011 20:55 eYeball wrote:
[Yeah this whole thread is kind of rotten to be honest, they should just had closed it permanently. NesTea fanboys everywhere.
Not very nice stating that NesTea fanboys are making the thread rotten is it now? -.-'
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On November 20 2011 21:08 Zorgaz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:05 ABear wrote:
MLG definitely dropped the ball big time if they allowed Naniwa to watch the replay of an unfinished game to know what his opponent's BO was going to be in the regame. Of course it gives an advantage to know that your opponent is going hatch first to make Naniwa go forge first instead of Nexus first, which he often does instead.
I guarantee you that experienced officials from Korea such as those employed by KESPA would have never allowed this situation to take place, and if it did take place - chances are Naniwa would have gotten an instaloss. Also, a manager should not have really been allowed to speak to Naniwa without a ref present.
But what can you do? The MLG refs are probably pretty inexperienced with StarCraft in general, so it's to be expected. Wait what? Did he really get to do that, any text that can confirm it? If he did then I would defiantly call it cheating =/
If this is indeed true then I have lost all respect for Naniwa. As hard as it may sound this is cheating and should be punished with a loss, considering that he also flamed the tournament and admins before while it was clearly his own fault for loading the wrong map...
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can someone explain why the game where Naniwa didn't do anything for a minute was restarted at all? Didn't watched it but from what I read I have the impression he was at his computer when the game started? So anyone can just start the game now and look at the screen doing nothing and then have the game restarted?
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On November 20 2011 21:05 ABear wrote:
MLG definitely dropped the ball big time if they allowed Naniwa to watch the replay of an unfinished game to know what his opponent's BO was going to be in the regame. Of course it gives an advantage to know that your opponent is going hatch first to make Naniwa go forge first instead of Nexus first, which he often does instead.
I guarantee you that experienced officials from Korea such as those employed by KESPA would have never allowed this situation to take place, and if it did take place - chances are Naniwa would have gotten an instaloss. Also, a manager should not have really been allowed to speak to Naniwa without a ref present.
But what can you do? The MLG refs are probably pretty inexperienced with StarCraft in general, so it's to be expected.
Wow a zerg, Nestea of all zergs going hatch first, on a huge map ? Hmmm, to realize that you must be a cheater because zergs never go hatch first.
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On November 20 2011 21:10 TBO wrote:
can someone explain why the game where Naniwa didn't do anything for a minute was restarted at all? Didn't watched it but from what I read I have the impression he was at his computer when the game started? So anyone can just start the game now and look at the screen doing nothing and then have the game restarted?
He wanted to go to the toilets.
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On November 20 2011 21:03 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 20:44 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 20 2011 20:38 Grend wrote:
Just watched the game and to me it seemed like whether Naniwa did this or that is pretty irrelevant. He outplayed Nestea by pulling off a cannon rush that Nestea should have been able to stop and a tech snipe followed by a devastating timing attack.
It seems to me that merely "rubbing off" dubious events that would be deemed unacceptable in more mature fields is hurting e-sports!Jokes aside, Naniwa won. However, there should be absolutely no justification for a coach entering hsi player's booth mid-game; even without proof, that is a behaviour so inconvenient, so inherently prone to cheating that at least a formal warning and/or excuses should be issued. I agree on this of course but the question then is whether the staff allowed the other person to enter the booth (which I assume is the case) or if the person just barged in. You cannot really fault Nani for it if MLG staff allowed it, then it is their responsibility in my opinion. Does not mean it is not a bad decision though
Yes, it is MLG responsibility that they allowed the coach of Nani into his booth, and then they let the game to be resumed, instead of restarted. I guess MLG decided this is better than the other option, probably because they were in rush etc.
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On November 20 2011 21:11 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:10 TBO wrote:
can someone explain why the game where Naniwa didn't do anything for a minute was restarted at all? Didn't watched it but from what I read I have the impression he was at his computer when the game started? So anyone can just start the game now and look at the screen doing nothing and then have the game restarted? He wanted to go to the toilets.
so he starts the game, then decided to not do anything to get his wishes? I mean if he just stood up and went to the toilets, that would be sort of fine (and probably would not have risked anything more than a technical foul). He started the game knowing that he would not do anything to force this situation (without telling Nestea probably), even without anything which happened after this, it's just a unfair thing to do.
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On November 20 2011 21:10 Gin-san wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:08 Zorgaz wrote:On November 20 2011 21:05 ABear wrote:
MLG definitely dropped the ball big time if they allowed Naniwa to watch the replay of an unfinished game to know what his opponent's BO was going to be in the regame. Of course it gives an advantage to know that your opponent is going hatch first to make Naniwa go forge first instead of Nexus first, which he often does instead.
I guarantee you that experienced officials from Korea such as those employed by KESPA would have never allowed this situation to take place, and if it did take place - chances are Naniwa would have gotten an instaloss. Also, a manager should not have really been allowed to speak to Naniwa without a ref present.
But what can you do? The MLG refs are probably pretty inexperienced with StarCraft in general, so it's to be expected. Wait what? Did he really get to do that, any text that can confirm it? If he did then I would defiantly call it cheating =/ If this is indeed true then I have lost all respect for Naniwa. As hard as it may sound this is cheating and should be punished with a loss, considering that he also flamed the tournament and admins before while it was clearly his own fault for loading the wrong map...
Certainly Naniwas fault that the coach entered the booth...
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Good to see Naniwa hasn't changed one bit since his WC3 days. He never matured, it was just that Odee managed to whip him in to place while he was in Dignitas.
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Instead of creating hatred in the community, please discuss my quality find of the Bear Captain with Pirate Hat in the Her0 vs. Ret game:
![[image loading]](http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92774/Bear%20Captain%20with%20Piratehat%20Smiley%20Face%20Her0%20vs.%20Ret.jpg)
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Puzzle loses to Ganzi who loses to Oz who loses to Keen. All this in the lower open bracket. MLG has gone a long way :')
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On November 20 2011 21:11 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:03 Grend wrote:On November 20 2011 20:44 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 20 2011 20:38 Grend wrote:
Just watched the game and to me it seemed like whether Naniwa did this or that is pretty irrelevant. He outplayed Nestea by pulling off a cannon rush that Nestea should have been able to stop and a tech snipe followed by a devastating timing attack.
It seems to me that merely "rubbing off" dubious events that would be deemed unacceptable in more mature fields is hurting e-sports!Jokes aside, Naniwa won. However, there should be absolutely no justification for a coach entering hsi player's booth mid-game; even without proof, that is a behaviour so inconvenient, so inherently prone to cheating that at least a formal warning and/or excuses should be issued. I agree on this of course but the question then is whether the staff allowed the other person to enter the booth (which I assume is the case) or if the person just barged in. You cannot really fault Nani for it if MLG staff allowed it, then it is their responsibility in my opinion. Does not mean it is not a bad decision though Yes, it is MLG responsibility that they allowed the coach of Nani into his booth, and then they let the game to be resumed, instead of restarted. I guess MLG decided this is better than the other option, probably because they were in rush etc.
He was there to relay a msg from MLG/Sundance., according to people on the scene.
Very sneaky indeed, mlg involved in the big james bond plot of cheating a win over nestea??? /sarcasm hardcore
Some people need to chill, in a major way.
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On November 20 2011 21:14 TigerKarl wrote:Instead of creating hatred in the community, please discuss my quality find of the Bear Captain with Pirate Hat in the Her0 vs. Ret game:
lol that is awesome
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