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On November 20 2011 19:24 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 19:23 Sneakyz wrote:On November 20 2011 19:21 Zalithian wrote:
Naniwa himself has admitted he's BM. I don't know what further proof anyone would require. What? Naniwa is most certainly BM and I really don't give a shit about that, but what he said in the interview wasn't meant as BM. And thumbing down directly at Nestea after beating him isn't BM? Really giving up on this now. People will continue to think whatever they like.
So how does that differ from MC's throat slash or any of the other after-match ceremonies at MLGs?
Just because he has a reputation of being really BM he can't poke a little fun?
The whole of the debate which is happening here stems from the the fact that he chose wrong words when being very critical and frank of some players. The context behind him "calling" Nestea an idiot was that he was saying it was stupid decision making. How does that differ from Artosis being extremely critical and tactless to TheBestfOu or SanZenith?
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The fact that Nani made a ceremony after winning indicates to me that he did not feel guilty and felt that he won fairly. So based on that I think that even if Nani had some opportunities to cheat caused by all the mess I do not think he used them.
he didn't used them? What about replay watching for the game which is going to be replayed on the same map? For me it's clearly cheating. Even if it is not said in rules, it's not the same as watching the replay after the won/lost game when you are going to the different map. Naniwa watched replay which was few minutes long just for the only reason - to see opening build of nestea.
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On November 20 2011 19:23 mvtaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 17:22 babylon wrote:On November 20 2011 17:18 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 17:08 babylon wrote:On November 20 2011 17:03 hunts wrote:On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake? With Naniwas history, I honestly think it's more likely that he made it up... There's a difference between being BM and being a liar and a cheat, you know. Good god, I never thought I'd be the one defending Naniwa on an internet forum. The guy was BM as fuck and mediocre as all get-out in War3, and I mostly just wished he'd shut his mouth in the past, but the amount of hate that's being directed at him here is ridiculous. Here's the quote from Sundance: "He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him. Onward and upward..." I think Sundance would be able to tell if one of his admins even went to talk to him first. I hope MLG at least looks into the possibility of Naniwa watching the replay today. Sorry, here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/ Again: how can you know that he wasn't told before the series even began by another admin that the map was cross-spawn only? We don't know anything at all. Anyone who thinks he won based on seeing NesTea's opening is, quite frankly, being absurd. Well, it's always easier to do a cannon rush when your coach can come in to your booth and say "yeah he's going hatch first"
Or there is this alternate strategy you can use where you send your probe up, and there is a hatchery there, indicating he went hatch first.
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On November 20 2011 19:30 Alpina wrote:
he didn't used them? What about replay watching for the game which is going to be replayed on the same map? For me it's clearly cheating. Even if it is not said in rules, it's not the same as watching the replay after the won/lost game when you are going to the different map. Naniwa watched replay which was few minutes long just for the only reason - to see opening build of nestea.
I'm kind of curious about this replay stuff, does anyone actually know what time the game was ended at? I've seen 1:47 mentioned but I think that's the pause in the "real" game.
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On November 20 2011 19:30 Gobe wrote:
Or there is this alternate strategy you can use where you send your probe up, and there is a hatchery there, indicating he went hatch first.
Perfectly true, but you could also turn up and find no expansion and six lings heading to your base, I'm just saying it's a bit easier to know your strat is valid if someone who can see what your opponent is doing can have a chat with you at 1:50 in to the game.
(Yeah I'm seriously just playing devil's advocate for the lulz now)
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dammit, the admin-box on the top of the thread spoilered the IdrA-MC game for me....
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On November 20 2011 19:33 mvtaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 19:30 Gobe wrote:
Or there is this alternate strategy you can use where you send your probe up, and there is a hatchery there, indicating he went hatch first. Perfectly true, but you could also turn up and find no expansion and six lings heading to your base, I'm just saying it's a bit easier to know your strat is valid if someone who can see what your opponent is doing can have a chat with you at 1:50 in to the game. (Yeah I'm seriously just playing devil's advocate for the lulz now)
The build was a forge fast expand. He then made cannons to try to slow down the expansion. Every protoss FFEs on Shakuras.
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[QUOTE]On November 20 2011 19:30 Alpina wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 20 2011 19:25 Grend wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 20 2011 18:34 JoeSchmoe wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 20 2011 18:17 Grend wrote:
so weird that people start fighting whenever foreigners beat the koreans. Should be more celebration imo.
You do not have to be korean to have solid play![/QUOTE]
The fact that Nani made a ceremony after winning indicates to me that he did not feel guilty and felt that he won fairly. So based on that I think that even if Nani had some opportunities to cheat caused by all the mess I do not think he used them.[/QUOTE]
he didn't used them? What about replay watching for the game which is going to be replayed on the same map? For me it's clearly cheating. Even if it is not said in rules, it's not the same as watching the replay after the won/lost game when you are going to the different map. Naniwa watched replay which was few minutes long just for the only reason - to see opening build of nestea.[/QUOTE]
As far as I am aware there has been no official statement confirming or denying this from MLG or Nani. Let us wait on that before commenting on the specifics :-)
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Out of all this naniwa petty drama bs, the only thing that really comes off as poor taste is insulting mlg.
Feels like all this bitching people have been doing has overshadowed his amazing feats of beating nestea in two bo3s and also beating mvp.
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Naniwa's win is the biggest joke ever given the pause. And his BM is completely ridiculous. Yo dropout, make it past Code A first round k?
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Could people stop hating ?=( Gz to the winners of the last games, looking foward to Nani vs HuK and MC vs DRG
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On November 20 2011 19:39 geNis wrote:
Out of all this naniwa petty drama bs, the only thing that really comes off as poor taste is insulting mlg.
This is the only really relevant thing. Cheating presumptions need proof and statement from MLG's. Rest is just unofficial words from people. Now Im sure we all like to see a statement about that, but I doubt it'll happen.
About the celebration thingy, it's just a part of the show and you can't talk about BM only by that. Still Nani is known as a BM guy since SC2 day-1 (but unlike some other players he doesn't act BM with style, my opinion).
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On November 20 2011 19:39 geNis wrote:
Out of all this naniwa petty drama bs, the only thing that really comes off as poor taste is insulting mlg.
Feels like all this bitching people have been doing has overshadowed his amazing feats of beating nestea in two bo3s and also beating mvp.
this pretty much
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Nani will crush all the good players and HuK will just recolt the trophy with another PvP.
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Is it possible to watch MC vs IdrA somewhere? I can't believe I missed these games yesterday  Or weren't they broadcasted at all?
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Let me predict what will happen.
HuK > Naniwa
MarineKing > Rain
MarineKing > SjoW
MarineKing > MVP
MarineKing > Hero
Nestea > MarineKing
Rematch Nestea > Naniwa and Nestea goes on to take tournament
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Why has this suddenly turned into 300 pages of /r/pitchfork. Calm down people. the thumbs down was NOTHING. Idra has done it in GSL, MC does it like every tournament, and FBH >_>
Also he did not call NesTea an idiot, he meant that it was idiotic to pull all his drones off mining. and it was!
And I only think the choice of words was a little out of place when he was paused and wrote about MLG. I 100% understand that he was upset.
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On November 20 2011 19:39 geNis wrote:
Out of all this naniwa petty drama bs, the only thing that really comes off as poor taste is insulting mlg.
Feels like all this bitching people have been doing has overshadowed his amazing feats of beating nestea in two bo3s and also beating mvp.
Agreeeeeeeeeeed.
Especially the "BM" part. I mean get over it...
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What are the best series to watch from yesterday? ( i already watched ret vs hero which was awesome) Is there anyway to get timestamps?
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