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+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong with the first attempt to run game one 9:45:20 Second attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience
To be fair, Naniwa asked to go to the bathroom before the game was started, and was denied. Thus the game was started before both players were ready. Also, the fact that Naniwa loaded up the map before the admin got there doesn't mean he wasn't told it was cross positions only.
Edit: Beaten to it by pdd.
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On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out.
That's really really fucked up, honestly if it's true (the part where he watch the replay) MLG should have given the map to nestea.
The part where he talked to his coach is more MLG's fault but it's still unaceptable, even if the coach probably didn't tell him anything it should not happen.
I understnad why the IM coach is angry.
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On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up
As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get.
This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this.
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On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out.
On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge.
On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this.
Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts?
The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules).
There is only one thing which Naniwa did which should be punished: Insulting MLG.
Watching the replay was not illegal (it was probably unethical, but MLGs allow the viewing of replays after a game, so Naniwa may have assumed watching a replay of an unfinished game was legal too).
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MLG should be harsh with their rules or else no one would follow them...
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On November 20 2011 18:42 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out. Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge. Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this. Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts? The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules).
"Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out". I think it is relevant enough to at least post and hope that someone looks into it, maybe it's all a misunderstanding and we get some new information on the matter.
Really? He just assumed it's legal to watch a replay of an unfinished game? How does that sound legal to anyone? It's common sense that it would be illegal. How could anyone think it's not illegal to see what your opponent could be doing in the match you`re about to play him in? This isn't weeks in advance or even days, this is minutes before he's about to play Nestea. Did it give him an advantage? Who knows, it's still cheating to anyone with half a brain. The worst part is that they allowed the Complexity manager into the booth a minute after the game started, possibly letting Naniwa know exactly what Nestea was going to do during that game.
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On November 20 2011 18:42 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out. Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge. Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this. Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts? The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules).
Did i say it was illegal ? No it's not but it should have been, no way should he have the right to look at a replay about a game that was played again on the same map. I don't care if it's only for 1.37 or 2h, your in the wrong and get an unfair advantage, yet you would defend him.
I don't even wanne talk about his additude and delays he put out there.
According to the rules he might be doing perfectly fine, but MLG should put this in there mind and change some rules so this never happens again, because it's pure bullshit.
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On November 20 2011 18:47 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:42 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out. On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge. On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this. Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts? The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules). "Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out". I think it is relevant enough to at least post and hope that someone looks into it, maybe it's all a misunderstanding and we get some new information on the matter.
Apparently Naniwa did another ComplexityInsider interview again today to clarify some of the stuff he said about Nestea (and maybe go through what happened during todays games). Should clear up stuff.
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On November 20 2011 18:49 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:47 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:42 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out. On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge. On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this. Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts? The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules). "Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out". I think it is relevant enough to at least post and hope that someone looks into it, maybe it's all a misunderstanding and we get some new information on the matter. Apparently Naniwa did another ComplexityInsider interview again today to clarify some of the stuff he said about Nestea (and maybe go through what happened during todays games). Should clear up stuff.
You mean backtracking because people lashed out at him? I think that's what "clarify" means here.
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On November 20 2011 18:49 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:42 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out. On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge. On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this. Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts? The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules). Did i say it was illegal ? No it's not but it should have been, no way should he have the right to look at a replay about a game that was played again on the same map. I don't care if it's only for 1.37 or 2h, your in the wrong and get an unfair advantage, yet you would defend him. I don't even wanne talk about his additude and delays he put out there. According to the rules he might be doing perfectly fine, but MLG should put this in there mind and change some rules so this never happens again, because it's pure bullshit.
If its not illegal you shouldnt be angry at Naniwa.
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Watching the pre-Day2 interview with Naniwa + Show Spoiler + , I think Nestea got offended not just by being called an "idiot" (which could be considered just a language expression of no significance), but also Naniwa saying later that he doesn't expect Nestea to go very far. And also earlier he discusses that Nestea is worse (in PvZ) than a number of other Korean Zergs. That particular statement should be considered as very narrow-minded, because all Naniwa can assess is how well those Zergs have played against a specific style of his on ladder.
/clarification: apparently Nestea watched that interview and because he got offended, he stated that he would "Destroy" Naniwa/
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On November 20 2011 18:51 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:49 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:42 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out. On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge. On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this. Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts? The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules). Did i say it was illegal ? No it's not but it should have been, no way should he have the right to look at a replay about a game that was played again on the same map. I don't care if it's only for 1.37 or 2h, your in the wrong and get an unfair advantage, yet you would defend him. I don't even wanne talk about his additude and delays he put out there. According to the rules he might be doing perfectly fine, but MLG should put this in there mind and change some rules so this never happens again, because it's pure bullshit. If its not illigal you shouldnt be angry at Naniwa.
I am not angy at the guy, it's not my game he delayed.
I do have the right to call him a bad sport though, and i just did.
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On November 20 2011 18:50 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:49 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 18:47 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:42 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out. On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge. On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this. Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts? The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules). "Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out". I think it is relevant enough to at least post and hope that someone looks into it, maybe it's all a misunderstanding and we get some new information on the matter. Apparently Naniwa did another ComplexityInsider interview again today to clarify some of the stuff he said about Nestea (and maybe go through what happened during todays games). Should clear up stuff. You mean backtracking because people lashed out at him? I think that's what "clarify" means here.
You've never made a slip of the tongue in your life eh?
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http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/25#event_54_event_rules
Gameplay
1. Players may Pause a Game if they have their Referee’s permission or if they have agreed to a Pause of the Game with their opponent in in-game chat. Referees may approve or deny a Player’s request to Pause a Game. Pausing a Game without Referee’s or opposing Player’s permission will result in a Warning. Each subsequent Warning that a Player receives will result in a Forfeit of the Game (See Equipment Rule #18 & Gameplay Rule #19).
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/25#2011_mlg_pro_circuit_official_rules
8. Conduct and Decisions
"Players must conduct themselves in a reasonable manner, maintaining a friendly and polite demeanor to competitors, the Pro Circuit officials, and to other Players of the Pro Circuit. Players who violate any rule, gain unfair advantage in participating in the Pro Circuit, or obtain winner status using fraudulent means will be disqualified. Unsportsmanlike, disruptive, annoying, harassing or threatening behavior is prohibited. MLG will interpret these rules and resolve any disputes, conflicting claims or ambiguities concerning the rules or the Pro Circuit and MLG's decisions concerning such disputes shall be final"
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So that's two rules right there. And as for the admin telling him it was cross spawns only I really do not buy for one second that an admin who has been doing this for two days (and the entire tournament previous to this since the rules were the same) forgets what the spawns are.
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I'm undecided about the Naniwa/Nestea thing. I would like it to be looked into by MLG, and Naniwa should be penalised for the BM about MLG, but anything about cheating (being told be coach about Nestea's build/interrupting games etc) should be investigated thoroughly before any judgements are made.
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On November 20 2011 18:55 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:50 Zalithian wrote:On November 20 2011 18:49 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 18:47 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:42 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 18:27 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 Should make a post on this in the general forum to make sure the right people do get to see it and investigate it more thoroughly. I don't know if this all true, but it's worth looking into for MLG. Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out. On November 20 2011 18:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Holy shit that sounds terrible mvtaylor... Sounds like a disqualification to me.
edit: and by the game description he probably would have won anyways whiteout the bullshit so it's just bad for him giving his own win some smudge. On November 20 2011 18:41 Lysanias wrote:On November 20 2011 18:21 mvtaylor wrote:Story goes: Naniwa loses game two and instantly chooses Shakuras Plateau as the next map and loads up whatever version before an MLG admin gets to the booth. One of the players said they needed to go to the toilet but the admins said they had to go now. Game starts, Tastosis still on screen they realise they have to pause as Naniwa hasn't done anything for a full in game minute, he then goes to the toilet. NesTea is rather annoyed as he was ready to go, coach says he can use the toilet as well if he wants but he doesn't want his thought process interrupted, as Naniwa is taking so long he decides to go anyway. As Naniwa hadn't done anything in game they decide to start from scratch. Naniwa gets back to his booth first and decides to fire up the replay of the last game to see where NesTea spawned and what his strategy was. MLG officials tell him he can't do that but by the time they get in the booth he's already done it. Game restarts and Naniwas probe gets to cross position but doesn't find NesTea there. Despite it stating on the MLG website under the sc2 tournament map rules that this map has the same spawn positions as the ladder version AND Naniwa choosing the map before an admin could even get to his booth he pauses the game and kicks up a fuss saying the map is wrong and the admin said it was cross spawns only. Admins aren't really sure what they can do as he's typing this all on screen so crowd can see it (you can hear the booing if you watch the stream back) and it looks pretty bad for them even if none of it is true. Officials tell him he can't restart and the map isn't wrong so he types out the "oh this tournament is bullshit, give me a moment to think" stuff. Naniwa is very angry and then his team coach (who has obviously been able to see what NesTea was doing in game up to this point) enters Naniwas booth with the game paused at 1:47 on the clock and talks to him. NesTea is sitting in his booth on his own and the match finally resumes (not reset - RESUMES) at least ten minutes after it was meant to have started with Naniwa having seen NesTeas opening on the first attempt to play the map and then been told it by his coach on the second attempt to play it. Sources: MLG Sundance: http://www.reddit.com/user/sundancedSpectator: http://www.reddit.com/user/NaNiWaisnotBMFrankly that, followed by his little ceremony is pretty awful from Complexity and Naniwa and the fact he only got one technical foul when you look at that in the cold light of day is really poor from MLG. It was not MLGs fault that Naniwa did not remember (or was not told by complexity staff) the map rules for the tournament and the fact he then stalled out one game after beign told by an admin they had to start, watched a replay of one attempt to play a game and then forced a pause in the second attempt of the game and got to talk to his coach essentially mid game is beyond bad and I fully understand why NesTea and the IM coach are so angry. I'd almost go as far to say there have to be enough infringements that NesTea deserved a win by default for the third game of the series... EDIT: you can watch the whole thing back on the MLG site, NesTea wins game 2 at 9:36:40 9:40:40 Tasteless realises something is wrong 9:45:20 Attempt to start the game, more problems, booing from audience, eventually Tastosis gets told whats up As far as sportsmanship goes this is proberly as low as you can get. This is very disipointing and i expect nothing less then MLG takes action to this. Do you guys not read the original sources? Or are you really going to depend on some guy's (relatively) biased summary of the posts? The conclusions mvtaylor make could turn out to be true, but there is NOTHING in the two posts that he links that proves that Naniwa did anything illegal (and by illegal I mean those not allowed by MLG rules). "Just should probably make sure to tell people none of that is confirmed (or I don't think it is) and to not make rash judgments before the information is out". I think it is relevant enough to at least post and hope that someone looks into it, maybe it's all a misunderstanding and we get some new information on the matter. Apparently Naniwa did another ComplexityInsider interview again today to clarify some of the stuff he said about Nestea (and maybe go through what happened during todays games). Should clear up stuff. You mean backtracking because people lashed out at him? I think that's what "clarify" means here. You've never made a slip of the tongue in your life eh?
nah only perfect little basement dwellers here lol
i do love these drama situations especially ppl wastin time writing huge walls of text :p
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I really don't see the point of discussing this Naniwa vs MLG bullshit. You will NEVER find out if naniwa is lying or the admin is trying to save his skin by not telling the truth.
The only thing that should be discussed is how to prevent this from ever occuring again, for example having admins choose the maps.
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I'm eager to see the protoss' win ratio at this event, seems like they are crushing everybody...
Silly whiners. -_-
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I hope the MLG makes them replay game 3.But I fear they wouldnt 
Very disappointed!
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