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On November 20 2011 16:57 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 16:50 Gackt_ wrote:
Nestea got robbed in other words and Naniwa knows VERY FUCKING WELL that you are not allowed to watch replays when a game is about to restart on the same map. Thats a FACT. where's this a fact? can you point me to the MLG rule stating this....?
common sense, people. is there a rule saying you can't ask for a pause, walk over to your opponents booth, open the door, take a look at his monitor, go back and continue the game? but is it okay to do so?
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On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake?
With Naniwas history, I honestly think it's more likely that he made it up...
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On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake?
What do you think is more likely? The admins that have been running the stream for two days forgetting the positions on a map they've probably over seen at least a dozen times over the last two days or that Naniwa made an excuse because he noticed that Nestea was cross-positions through the replay and didn't want to say it because it should be common sense that's illegal? What I want to know is why no one is getting upset that Naniwa cheated. It seems that there are multiple witnesses saying that Naniwa did watch the replay. I think it'd be common sense to ANYONE that watching the replay of a game one minute in is cheating, whether it gave him an advantage or not, he attempted to cheat.
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On November 20 2011 16:45 stipe145 wrote:
Could someone tell me about best games of today. Dont have a lot of time and want to watch the best games.
I was at the event so anything that wasn't on the red stream I did not see but from the games I saw, I'd definitely recommend watching the HerO vs Ret series.
Any ZvP after that was pretty similar to the game 2 of that series. MC vs MVP was also a good series I think though I was sufficiently not sober by that point so I can't be too sure
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That interview with Naniwa was cool. People should watch it, not just for what Naniwa may or may not have said about Nestea, but for the rest of it which is well the time expended (some good observations on his play and direct opinions regarding others). The guy is a boss. I hope he shrugs off all this "handbags at 40 paces" bs and does well tomorrow.
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On November 20 2011 16:56 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. The issue is that nobody seems to know what really happened. There are at least three different accounts floating around now, I think, and while I do believe that Sundance is an upstanding guy who wouldn't lie, you can't say for sure that an admin would hypothetically own up to a mistake. Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 16:54 Flowjo wrote:On November 20 2011 16:42 JoeSchmoe wrote:wait wtf? The officials allowed NaNiWa's coach INTO THE PLAYER BOOTH with 1:47 on the clock and the game paused. The coach talked to NaNiWa for a minute or two before he left and shut the door. Then a few minutes later, gameplay resumed. Why would the officials let the coach in to re-strategize IN THE MIDDLE OF A MATCH if they didn't believe they were at fault? rofl ???? Is this not illegal or am I just a guy who doesn't understand the rules... The implication is that this would normally not be allowed, but because MLG understood that they were at fault, they allowed it in this case.
how can they possibly allow this though? it makes no sense because the coach can just tell naniwa everything nestea's doing.
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Is MLG down? Can't get access teh VOD's.
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On November 20 2011 17:03 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 16:57 SMD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:50 Gackt_ wrote:
Nestea got robbed in other words and Naniwa knows VERY FUCKING WELL that you are not allowed to watch replays when a game is about to restart on the same map. Thats a FACT. where's this a fact? can you point me to the MLG rule stating this....? common sense, people. is there a rule saying you can't ask for a pause, walk over to your opponents booth, open the door, take a look at his monitor, go back and continue the game? but is it okay to do so?
There is a rule that says you can't do that.
But there is no rule against looking at a replay.
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Letting the coach in seems ridiculous, I imagine they made a dumb flustered decision. Not Naniwa's fault there though, that is MLG.
I do feel bad for both players. I hope it doesn't pain Nestea's view of foreign events for the worse, and if Nani was really told what he said he was told then he was practically robbed a game (but managed to pull out a win regardless).
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On November 20 2011 17:03 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake? With Naniwas history, I honestly think it's more likely that he made it up...
There's a difference between being BM and being a liar and a cheat, you know.
Good god, I never thought I'd be the one defending Naniwa on an internet forum. The guy was BM as fuck and mediocre as all get-out in War3, and I mostly just wished he'd shut his mouth in the past, but the amount of hate that's being directed at him here is ridiculous.
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On November 20 2011 17:08 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 17:03 shadymmj wrote:On November 20 2011 16:57 SMD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:50 Gackt_ wrote:
Nestea got robbed in other words and Naniwa knows VERY FUCKING WELL that you are not allowed to watch replays when a game is about to restart on the same map. Thats a FACT. where's this a fact? can you point me to the MLG rule stating this....? common sense, people. is there a rule saying you can't ask for a pause, walk over to your opponents booth, open the door, take a look at his monitor, go back and continue the game? but is it okay to do so? There is a rule that says you can't do that. But there is no rule against looking at a replay.
probably because they didn't foresee a game having to be replayed after it was just a little ways in, and one of the players getting to see the replay to see his opponents build on that exact map. It would not surprise me if such a rule was made after this MLG.
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On November 20 2011 17:07 Souljah wrote:
Is MLG down? Can't get access teh VOD's. I'm watching Kiwikaki's match right now, it works fine. You might need to refresh, change stream/quality a few times sometimes, if it freezes or something.
It's not in VODs though, just each of the 4 streams still contains the whole load (as one continuous stream) from Day 2, and you can re-watch anything from Day 2.
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ITT:
A player with a documented history of being a douchebag (Naniwa) continues to be a douchebag through several actions, including calling Nestea an idiot in an interview (yes, I watched it, and it did happen, not only the drone thing), calling MLG a joke tournament, pausing a game that was in progress to go to the bathroom and then sneakily watch a replay to see Nestea's build, and then thumbs downing Nestea as his "ceremony."
I had no previous opinion on Naniwa, and actually cheered for him because he was a foreigner. I'm not a big Nestea fan either.
I think it's pretty obvious through his actions that he simply is not a "nice" person. While beating Nestea and MVP is an incredible accomplishment, I lost all respect when these things occurred.
People keep saying oh why do we have to muzzle all the players. Do we want them to be robots or something? Nope. You don't need to make a negative gesture toward an opponent to celebrate. Flex your muscles, do a dance or something. Remember when TO danced on the Dallas Star?
An example of the difference between "celebrating" and intentionally disrespecting your opponent.
Seems there are white knights everywhere willing to defend everything. Was the thumbs down a BIG deal? By itself, no, but combine it with everything else and it's hard to respect Naniwa, who clearly has no respect for anyone but himself.
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On November 20 2011 16:59 Daimai wrote:
Woah woah woah, why are you guys so mad because Naniwa won?
Schooling Nestea twice, even after BMing him. You guys mad because Naniwa won even though he BMd or what?
Did you even read any part of this thread? He did several controversial things along the way, like watching the rep.
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On November 20 2011 17:03 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake? With Naniwas history, I honestly think it's more likely that he made it up...
He is definitely capable to make it all up, and I honestly as a Swedish guy also thinks he made it up. Just by listening to the guy talking in interviews...well he seems really fishy, doesnt seem like the honest guy at least when looking at his past etc. He most likely thought it would be cross and when he paused the game he came up with the mlg admin told me "cross only" story. Just my opinion, no harm done.
And to the people claiming the rules doesnt say anything about watching a replay of a game that is about to restart that have been going on over 1,5 minutes... get real, it's not okay, as someone said above me, it's common sense, it could be compared to monitor your opponent behind his back in his booth.
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On November 20 2011 17:08 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 17:03 hunts wrote:On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake? With Naniwas history, I honestly think it's more likely that he made it up... There's a difference between being BM and being a liar and a cheat, you know. Good god, I never thought I'd be the one defending Naniwa on an internet forum. The guy was BM as fuck and mediocre as all get-out in War3, and I mostly just wished he'd shut his mouth in the past, but the amount of hate that's being directed at him here is ridiculous.
Here's the quote from Sundance:
"He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him.
Onward and upward..."
I think Sundance would be able to tell if one of his admins even went to talk to him first. I hope MLG at least looks into the possibility of Naniwa watching the replay today.
Sorry, here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/
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it's hard to say if he was a liar. personally, i doubt it - i think his complaint was genuine. but it was handled incredibly poorly by both the player and the management. true, the management (probably) fucked up, but that was an unintentional mistake that could prove difficult to rectify.
there was no need to insult the organization or your opponent in public, or to do shady things that you know very well will cause controversy. it's very childish and terrible for your image, even if you win.
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On November 20 2011 17:18 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 17:08 babylon wrote:On November 20 2011 17:03 hunts wrote:On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake? With Naniwas history, I honestly think it's more likely that he made it up... There's a difference between being BM and being a liar and a cheat, you know. Good god, I never thought I'd be the one defending Naniwa on an internet forum. The guy was BM as fuck and mediocre as all get-out in War3, and I mostly just wished he'd shut his mouth in the past, but the amount of hate that's being directed at him here is ridiculous. Here's the quote from Sundance: "He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him. Onward and upward..." I think Sundance would be able to tell if one of his admins even went to talk to him first. I hope MLG at least looks into the possibility of Naniwa watching the replay today. Sorry, here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/
Again: how can you know that he wasn't told before the series even began by another admin that the map was cross-spawn only? We don't know anything at all.
Anyone who thinks he won based on seeing NesTea's opening is, quite frankly, being absurd.
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On November 20 2011 17:18 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 17:08 babylon wrote:On November 20 2011 17:03 hunts wrote:On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake? With Naniwas history, I honestly think it's more likely that he made it up... There's a difference between being BM and being a liar and a cheat, you know. Good god, I never thought I'd be the one defending Naniwa on an internet forum. The guy was BM as fuck and mediocre as all get-out in War3, and I mostly just wished he'd shut his mouth in the past, but the amount of hate that's being directed at him here is ridiculous. Here's the quote from Sundance: "He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him. Onward and upward..." I think Sundance would be able to tell if one of his admins even went to talk to him first. I hope MLG at least looks into the possibility of Naniwa watching the replay today. Sorry, here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/
Sundance said Naniwa chose the map before the admin talked to him. Nani could have asked the admin after he chose the map if it was cross-position or not when the admin came to talk to him.
Sundance did not explicitly say that Nani wasn't told by the admin whether it was cross or not. It does not prove that Nani's a liar.
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On November 20 2011 17:18 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 17:08 babylon wrote:On November 20 2011 17:03 hunts wrote:On November 20 2011 16:56 DoomsVille wrote:On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote:On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote:On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote:On November 20 2011 16:26 usethis2 wrote:
Well, after reading the detailed account @reddit, now my mind on Naniwa's behavior has changed once again. He may/may not have broke the rule (otherwise the admin would not have attempted to stop him from watching the replay), and the whole situation does indeed paint Naniwa a dick to me. Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake? With Naniwas history, I honestly think it's more likely that he made it up... There's a difference between being BM and being a liar and a cheat, you know. Good god, I never thought I'd be the one defending Naniwa on an internet forum. The guy was BM as fuck and mediocre as all get-out in War3, and I mostly just wished he'd shut his mouth in the past, but the amount of hate that's being directed at him here is ridiculous. Here's the quote from Sundance: "He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him. Onward and upward..." I think Sundance would be able to tell if one of his admins even went to talk to him first. I hope MLG at least looks into the possibility of Naniwa watching the replay today. Sorry, here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/
and they should look into third parties who are freely observing both players point of view (in this case complexity coach) walking in the booth to discuss strategy especially for a game that had been stopped and about to be restarted...
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