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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:40 babylon wrote: Nani's ceremony was really quite bad, but I don't know if it could beat Midas's in awkwardness. Midas? (sorry, i didnt watch BW) | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:19 Kiyo. wrote: Wrong. 1. Ace match. 2. Refs call for restart because they started the game while the stream was on commercial. 3. Naniwa and Nestea go to bathroom. 4. Naniwa gets back and watches replay. 5. Nestea gets back. 6. Game is restarted on the same map. 7. Naniwa scouts cross position, notices Nestea isn't there, and pauses, requesting a restart because he thought it was cross position only. 8. Referees deny restart request, game is unpaused, we watch the game. 9. Naniwa wins. 10. Drama. still doesn't change the fact that nani watched the replay. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
The officials allowed NaNiWa's coach INTO THE PLAYER BOOTH with 1:47 on the clock and the game paused. The coach talked to NaNiWa for a minute or two before he left and shut the door. Then a few minutes later, gameplay resumed. Why would the officials let the coach in to re-strategize IN THE MIDDLE OF A MATCH if they didn't believe they were at fault? | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
1. Naniwa creates game 3 on the wrong map 2. He is told to restart 3. He refuses to restart, and wins 4. Nestea watches the replay and is rewarded the "watch a replay achievement" 5. Nestea gets a cool portrait 6. Naniwa is jealous and steals artosis baby 7. Naniwa gets a warning ? | ||
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paintfive
785 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:42 Soma.bokforlag wrote: so did i get this right? 1. Naniwa creates game 3 on the wrong map 2. He is told to restart 3. He refuses to restart, and wins 4. Nestea watches the replay and is rewarded the "watch a replay achievement" 5. Nestea gets a cool portrait 6. Naniwa is jealous and steals artosis baby 7. Naniwa gets a warning ? roflll i want that achievement but really, was the replay that long? how much info did he even glean from it? i don't see a problem either way. not like zerg BOs differ so much. | ||
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stipe145
764 Posts
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:34 Biane wrote: Even if he did broke the rules (which as far as we can tell, he didn't), there will be people who find this inappropriate/unfair/whatever you want to call it. Even if he didn't broke the rule, it was a fact he called MLG a 'joke tournament' While he may not have done anything wrong/against the rules that requires him to 'defend himself', the fact he called MLG a joke tournament portrays himself in very, very poor image. Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Edit: On November 20 2011 16:45 paintfive wrote: roflll i want that achievement but really, was the replay that long? how much info did he even glean from it? i don't see a problem either way. not like zerg BOs differ so much. It's true, the only thing that NaNiwa could of picked up from the replay is an early pool as the replay is 1:37 long, and an extractor for 14/14 is placed at 1:43 and a hatch at like 2:00 or something like that. | ||
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Gackt_
335 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote: Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Yeah, to be honest, I think Naniwa was pretty damn tilted going into that last game. If anything, NesTea had the advantage, regardless of whether or not Naniwa knew his build order. | ||
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote: Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
rofl ???? Is this not illegal or am I just a guy who doesn't understand the rules... | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote: Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. What do you think is more likely... that NaNiwa made up the entire story and raged for no reason... or that 1 admin decided he doesn't want to own up to his mistake? | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote: Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. The issue is that nobody seems to know what really happened. There are at least three different accounts floating around now, I think, and while I do believe that Sundance is an upstanding guy who wouldn't lie, you can't say for sure that an admin would hypothetically own up to a mistake. On November 20 2011 16:54 Flowjo wrote: rofl ???? Is this not illegal or am I just a guy who doesn't understand the rules... The implication is that this would normally not be allowed, but because MLG understood that they were at fault, they allowed it in this case. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:50 Gackt_ wrote: Nestea got robbed in other words and Naniwa knows VERY FUCKING WELL that you are not allowed to watch replays when a game is about to restart on the same map. Thats a FACT. where's this a fact? can you point me to the MLG rule stating this....? | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote: Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. Edit: It's true, the only thing that NaNiwa could of picked up from the replay is an early pool as the replay is 1:37 long, and an extractor for 14/14 is placed at 1:43 and a hatch at like 2:00 or something like that. the best thing to do will be to politely decline to play, perhaps publicly explaining to people your decision to do so, making it 100% clear you were given the wrong information. to use all sorts of underhanded methods that may or may not give you an advantage and then top it off with a terrible ceremony that was intended to be antagonizing...is sure to make you a hated man. there is a difference between idra's bm and this guy's bm. it's hard to take idra seriously when he does it, it's sort of sardonic but not exactly personal...just like wrestling trash talk. not the case here. this guy, i think, really means it. | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
Schooling Nestea twice, even after BMing him. You guys mad because Naniwa won even though he BMd or what? | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:48 MonkSEA wrote: Ignore all the fiddling before hand, and think of when the whole MLG joke tourny happened: Imagine this. You're up against the best zerg player in the world in many players minds. You're 1-1 against him, you losing your last map, so you get to choose. You were told that Shakura's was cross-position, and prepared a VERY specific build for this. You scout and find him not cross-position. Ok.. What the fuck do you think now? Your WHOLE game plan is ruined, your scout was meant to arrive and position the cheese, now that you have found out that this doesn't have forced cross-position spawns, your cheese will not work, and you've already ruined your plan for that game if it continues(in this case forge first instead of nexus). Think how you would feel when the admin came and told you that you must continue from this game, because the map is correct and forced cross-position spawns were removed in a previous tournament. Now, I don't know about you, but after being told that it was cross position only, preparing a cannon rush for it and then getting told by admins that you must continue from the current game.. I'd feel pretty angry, pretty disappointed and very frustrated, and NaNiwa isn't known for his nice manner like some players. I dunno man, I'd feel pretty fucked over, especially since to NaNiwa this is his life. If progaming 'is his life', then he should very well know the sportsmanship and professional standards, fellow players/his team/sponsors/and most importantly, the fans, expect him to live up to. Circumstances (whether pleasant or difficult) do not dictate that he goes insulting the tournament. And its not like as if Nestea had it any easier. He's been playing game after game from the open bracket yesterday (including the games in the GI), he played a number of games earlier too before versing Naniwa. Naniwa was seeded and didnt have to tire himself out before the 'rematch' against nestea. Imagine you were nestea and the ace match you were in was delayed for quite a while and paused a number of times, part of which was due to the opponent you were versing. Wouldn't you be fustrated/put out of the mindset as well? I understand Naniwa was upset and frustrated because MLG (in part) also ignored his 'needs', but this is no reason to be unprofessional nor is he the only one being screwed over. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:50 Gackt_ wrote: Nestea got robbed in other words and Naniwa knows VERY FUCKING WELL that you are not allowed to watch replays when a game is about to restart on the same map. Thats a FACT. On November 20 2011 16:52 LeaD wrote: Except Sundance said that no admin told Naniwa that the map was cross-position only. The reason he thought it was cross-position only it seems is because he hosted the first game on the wrong map, which had Nestea in cross-positions and when he came back earlier than Nestea, he watched the replay (possibly illegally) on the wrong map and Nestea was cross-positions. I don't know why I bother. I think this is my last post in this thread so that I don't come across as a Naniwa fanboy. The sheer ignorance and lack of fact-finding/thread reading skills in this thread is silly. 1. There is no rule stating you can't watch a replay in between games or in between disconnected games. So it is not a fact Gackt_. It may be unsportsmanlike, but it's not illegal and Nestea could have done the same thing. 2. Yeah, Nestea lost because Naniwa knew the first 1-2 minutes of Nestea's build. I'll give you that /sarcasm. 3. Sundance only mentioned that Naniwa chose the map before the admin told him it was cross position only. He did not say that the admin did not tell him it wasn't cross position only. In fact, he sort of implies that the admin told him only after Nani chose the map. Either way, he was fed wrong information and his scouting pattern gets screwed up with the wrong information. (he probably shouldn't have been a bitch about it though). He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him. Onward and upward... | ||
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:59 Daimai wrote: Woah woah woah, why are you guys so mad because Naniwa won? Schooling Nestea twice, even after BMing him. You guys mad because Naniwa won even though he BMd or what? No one is mad at naniwa... because none of this is naniwa fault it is the responsibility of the MLG admins to identify and correct these issues. Admin tries to stop him from watching replay but then chooses ignore it afterwards, then allows naniwa's coach to enter booth to re strategize (a third party who was just watching both players POV of the game that was just stopped)... and doesn't give nestea time for the same luxuries making him immediately play after restroom break. Oh well, hopefully they address this for future it really is questionable. | ||
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