On November 05 2011 17:29 SolidZeal wrote: Freaking protoss, Hopefully we'll see a protoss advance in group D, gogo Oz. MC was our best hope, and he even beat MVP who looked like he was the biggest threat. I wish more protoss would try more macro/harass instead of 2 base all ins. Protoss endgame comp is really strong.
PvZ this is arguably true but currently PvT at the korean level emp and bio mobility can be a huge deal (although killer did manage to win his first game with a macro game)
Not saying terran doesn't > protoss in the late game but I really don't understand why protoss players aren't getting storm in p v t. It unlocks better ups, you can get charge and blink, and archons are now actually really strong. Not to mention a few well placed storms can win a game straight up. The amulet nerf was harsh but not THAT bad imo.
We already have a balance discussion thread on this, BUT, a terran with good ghost control completely negates high templar with either snipe or emp. Not to mention a stimmed bio army spends close to no time at all in the area of a storm as it does not deal damage fast enough. Archons are only as good as their shields, once again, emp destroys them. The amulet nerf has no bearing on these issues, there is something bigger at work here.
Have you watched whitera lately? 4 HT in prism amazing how you can be impervious to EMP
On November 05 2011 18:03 bokchoi wrote: LOL Gisado with the jokes. Saying that the game balance of SC2 is so good that they have 3 Zergs and 3 Terrans. Where are the Protoss? Is this WarCraft 2 where there's only Human and Orc?
On November 05 2011 18:53 StarscreamG1 wrote: I think EMP disables too much of protoss power. At least sentries energy should be a cooldown.
The things is that even if it just took away 100 shields or just took away energy it would still be so good it would be used a lot. But it does both those at the same time and doesn't require any research.
On November 05 2011 17:29 SolidZeal wrote: Freaking protoss, Hopefully we'll see a protoss advance in group D, gogo Oz. MC was our best hope, and he even beat MVP who looked like he was the biggest threat. I wish more protoss would try more macro/harass instead of 2 base all ins. Protoss endgame comp is really strong.
PvZ this is arguably true but currently PvT at the korean level emp and bio mobility can be a huge deal (although killer did manage to win his first game with a macro game)
Not saying terran doesn't > protoss in the late game but I really don't understand why protoss players aren't getting storm in p v t. It unlocks better ups, you can get charge and blink, and archons are now actually really strong. Not to mention a few well placed storms can win a game straight up. The amulet nerf was harsh but not THAT bad imo.
We already have a balance discussion thread on this, BUT, a terran with good ghost control completely negates high templar with either snipe or emp. Not to mention a stimmed bio army spends close to no time at all in the area of a storm as it does not deal damage fast enough. Archons are only as good as their shields, once again, emp destroys them. The amulet nerf has no bearing on these issues, there is something bigger at work here.
Have you watched whitera lately? 4 HT in prism amazing how you can be impervious to EMP
Impervious to EMP and get 2 shot by a small fleet of Vikings. Both ways have their weaknesses.
On November 05 2011 18:03 bokchoi wrote: LOL Gisado with the jokes. Saying that the game balance of SC2 is so good that they have 3 Zergs and 3 Terrans. Where are the Protoss? Is this WarCraft 2 where there's only Human and Orc?
Not like it wasnt like that in WarCraft 3 either ~_~
On November 05 2011 20:40 Scarecrow wrote: Sad how Killer's the best protoss from bw and he still isn't doing well.
If you look at his games, i don't think you can put it to balance. His micro/macro is decent/above average at best and he is largely clueless(at the competitive level) in P v Z. Against jjakji, he loved attacking into chokes, having his zealots run around going apeshit behind his wall of stalkers, have his colossus get sniped easily. And he was still able to win cause he prioritised upgrades and building bases.
On November 05 2011 17:29 SolidZeal wrote: Freaking protoss, Hopefully we'll see a protoss advance in group D, gogo Oz. MC was our best hope, and he even beat MVP who looked like he was the biggest threat. I wish more protoss would try more macro/harass instead of 2 base all ins. Protoss endgame comp is really strong.
PvZ this is arguably true but currently PvT at the korean level emp and bio mobility can be a huge deal (although killer did manage to win his first game with a macro game)
Not saying terran doesn't > protoss in the late game but I really don't understand why protoss players aren't getting storm in p v t. It unlocks better ups, you can get charge and blink, and archons are now actually really strong. Not to mention a few well placed storms can win a game straight up. The amulet nerf was harsh but not THAT bad imo.
We already have a balance discussion thread on this, BUT, a terran with good ghost control completely negates high templar with either snipe or emp. Not to mention a stimmed bio army spends close to no time at all in the area of a storm as it does not deal damage fast enough. Archons are only as good as their shields, once again, emp destroys them. The amulet nerf has no bearing on these issues, there is something bigger at work here.
emp doesn't even come close to negating ht. that's been such an overrated statement here on tl. all you have to do is keep your templars kind of split, and behind your army, as shown in killer vs jjakji. there's no way terran will have time time to emp/snipe every ht, and toss should get at least 4-6 storms off as long as the toss isn't bad and has his deathball clumped up before the engagement. ht in a warp prism is unecessary and a gimmick imo.
On November 05 2011 17:29 SolidZeal wrote: Freaking protoss, Hopefully we'll see a protoss advance in group D, gogo Oz. MC was our best hope, and he even beat MVP who looked like he was the biggest threat. I wish more protoss would try more macro/harass instead of 2 base all ins. Protoss endgame comp is really strong.
PvZ this is arguably true but currently PvT at the korean level emp and bio mobility can be a huge deal (although killer did manage to win his first game with a macro game)
Not saying terran doesn't > protoss in the late game but I really don't understand why protoss players aren't getting storm in p v t. It unlocks better ups, you can get charge and blink, and archons are now actually really strong. Not to mention a few well placed storms can win a game straight up. The amulet nerf was harsh but not THAT bad imo.
We already have a balance discussion thread on this, BUT, a terran with good ghost control completely negates high templar with either snipe or emp. Not to mention a stimmed bio army spends close to no time at all in the area of a storm as it does not deal damage fast enough. Archons are only as good as their shields, once again, emp destroys them. The amulet nerf has no bearing on these issues, there is something bigger at work here.
Have you watched whitera lately? 4 HT in prism amazing how you can be impervious to EMP
Impervious to EMP and get 2 shot by a small fleet of Vikings. Both ways have their weaknesses.
Why on earth would a Terran build Vikings if there are no Colossus?
On November 05 2011 17:29 SolidZeal wrote: Freaking protoss, Hopefully we'll see a protoss advance in group D, gogo Oz. MC was our best hope, and he even beat MVP who looked like he was the biggest threat. I wish more protoss would try more macro/harass instead of 2 base all ins. Protoss endgame comp is really strong.
PvZ this is arguably true but currently PvT at the korean level emp and bio mobility can be a huge deal (although killer did manage to win his first game with a macro game)
Not saying terran doesn't > protoss in the late game but I really don't understand why protoss players aren't getting storm in p v t. It unlocks better ups, you can get charge and blink, and archons are now actually really strong. Not to mention a few well placed storms can win a game straight up. The amulet nerf was harsh but not THAT bad imo.
We already have a balance discussion thread on this, BUT, a terran with good ghost control completely negates high templar with either snipe or emp. Not to mention a stimmed bio army spends close to no time at all in the area of a storm as it does not deal damage fast enough. Archons are only as good as their shields, once again, emp destroys them. The amulet nerf has no bearing on these issues, there is something bigger at work here.
Have you watched whitera lately? 4 HT in prism amazing how you can be impervious to EMP
Impervious to EMP and get 2 shot by a small fleet of Vikings. Both ways have their weaknesses.
Why on earth would a Terran build Vikings if there are no Colossus?
Because they can land and kill warp prisms and if you see a prism 2 or 3 vikings go a really long way to stopping it.
This lack of protoss in tournaments is getting depressing.
The saddest thing is that its not like player seeding is resulting in no protoss its just the way the games play out. And these people are supposed to be their teams respective Ace players. Aces!
On November 06 2011 01:16 BarbieHsu wrote: Yeah DRG!
I don't get the haters. This guy is really, really good. He may not be Nestea level. Maybe not even Losira. But he's got mad game.
Yeah he's as good as losira. Has better zvt than nestea, but nestea has better zvp, zvz. I've never seen DRG lose to bunker rushes, while nestea and losira lose to those a bit.
On November 05 2011 18:03 bokchoi wrote: LOL Gisado with the jokes. Saying that the game balance of SC2 is so good that they have 3 Zergs and 3 Terrans. Where are the Protoss? Is this WarCraft 2 where there's only Human and Orc?
Not like it wasnt like that in WarCraft 3 either ~_~
Oh, come now. UD vs. Orc is a shit match-up, but UD vs. not-Orc is pretty damn good. You can even argue that UD is favored in its other match-ups if you want to, and Luci's still very competitive. Sure, one MU is horrible, but War3's still pretty damn balanced for all that, esp. considering there are four races.
Anyways, War2 was pretty much Orc vs. Orc. Bloodlusted ogres were the shit.
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