That's right ladies and gentlemen, we're jumping in the time-traveling Hellorean and to take you back to the Bronze League! The fine folks of the Penny-Arcade forums have gathered together again to bring to you all:
The Rumble in the Bronze: Throwdown in Tinseltown!
Hey everyone! Do you like Starcraft 2? Do you like being entertained? Do you like helping out sick children? Well then, I've got exactly what you need. Welcome to the second showing of The Rumble in the Bronze!
What the heck is the RitB? Basically, a bunch of talented guys from the Penny Arcade forums and I decided on a whim to hold a charity event with the proceeds going to the Penny Arcade Child's Play charity. We somehow got a professional announcer and player, Geoff "iNcontrol" Robinson, to cast the event. The hook was that all the players in the event would be bronze league level. For those of you who don't know, the Bronze League is the lowest level of Starcraft players.
The results were amazing! We ended up having several thousand people watch the stream and generated over $3,000. This year we are doing it again and got Geoff to cast once again. People really loved watching bad players go at it with Geoff making jokes at their expense. Personally I think we can reach $5,000 if everyone gets out there and really helps spread the word.
The event takes place Saturday, Dec 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The stream will have an hour long pre-show. An encore presentation will probably occur as long as the fans are still wanting more.
Commentary will once again provided by Geoff "iNcontrol" Robinson and the PA forums very own Shawn "Seguer" Murphy. All proceeds from the event will go to Child's Play charity. More details about match types, players, streams, and other surprises to come.
Our first mention on Inside the Game (at the 1:44:00 or so mark).
Did you miss out on last year's event? No problem, here are some links to the VODs: Part One, Part Two. Even better, you can check out our old promotional videos to give you a good idea of what to expect (spoilered for lots):
So please join us in making fun of players who are going to risk shame and ridicule for donations. If you enjoy what you see, please donate. It's for a great cause after all. I mean, who wouldn't want sick children to enjoy video games? If you can't afford to pitch in, please pass along the event via word of mouth, other forums, facebook, twitter, or whatever way you can.
BTW, we aren't opposed to taking suggestions from the community for game ideas. We've got some stuff brewin' right now, but it never hurts to get feedback from the fans.
Edit: For the record, Ghost "Doc" is driving the "Hellorean". :D
Would've been awesome, but this event is still kickass =). I loved the first one, even though back then I was a lowly diamond player. Too high to participate, never too high to enjoy.
If I could be so humble as to ask, would it be too much to ask of everyone to spread the word of the event? This is for charity and nobody involved in the event is making any money on this bronze bash. If you have a spare minute, spread the word to your Twitter, FB, or whatever social media sites/forums you visit on a regular basis.
On November 29 2011 17:17 Cracy wrote: Judging be the time this is not an EU event? Too bad, would like the European edition. GL HF
Sadly no, this is an North American event. We do have a lot of people from around the world involved and will put the VODs up when the event is done. Maybe if we continue to grow we can do a Euro edition too. :D
Just noticed that we already have ~$130 in donations and the event is still a week and a half out. Such generous people out there! Last year we pulled $3,317. I'm saying we aim high and try and clear $5,000!
Can we do it? If everyone helps spread the word I know we can!
Doing it for charity definitely makes you approach the whole thing in a different way. You are not "just" doing an online tournament or something, you are actually doing something to better other people's lives. That's why I love working for this cause.
Klyka: I think Doc and Marty might have to give a special something to the person who donates the most to the event. Maybe tell them their fortune or something.
I think it would be funny if IdrA signed up in a smurf... + Show Spoiler +
and then lost to a bronze protoss in a Bo7.
Ayyy?
Also, if it's for kids... I'm kidding, I fucking loved this tournament last time. Rumble in the Bronze is probably the most amusing tournament of the year, but then again, any tournament or game casted by a pro and played by bronzies is amusing.
I had to dig up my favourite quote from the first rumble, will definately tune in for this one as well.
*Basetrade going on* Incontrol - And his probes, if they won't leave... i will hit a child Trus - Well that's in the spirit of what we're doing today Incontrol - I believe so, because well we will be covering for their medical bills with the donations, i mean that sounds like most circular thing i can imagine
these bronze tournaments are so awesome. Its just too cute watching newbies play against each other...trying so hard to macro and micro...AWWW :D. I wish I could hug one.
Yay hope I don't have to watch war2 for the entire time, song was pretty cool though. Really looking forward to this, especially since WCG starts at 6 a.m. for me
On December 11 2011 07:22 Lorch wrote: Yay hope I don't have to watch war2 for the entire time, song was pretty cool though. Really looking forward to this, especially since WCG starts at 6 a.m. for me
yeah, guess us europeans are'nt getting much sleep ^^
This is a great event. Very good job guys. Alot of laughs to be had too. What turned me into laughing more tho was realising that what iNcontrol thinks and says about the bronze leaguer's skill at the game are 90% the same things that real pro-gamers think when they watch him play. It is funny because we all know is true. Im sorry i dont want to troll or be mean to him hes a good guy and yes i wont ever have even half his skill.
On December 11 2011 08:22 Cipaku wrote: This is a great event. Very good job guys. Alot of laughs to be had too. What turned me into laughing more tho was realising that what iNcontrol thinks and says about the bronze leaguer's skill at the game are 90% the same things that real pro-gamers think when they watch him play. It is funny because we all know is true. Im sorry i dont want to troll or be mean to him hes a good guy and yes i wont ever have even half his skill.
Why would you even post this? Is the best place to insult the guy in the topic about the charity event he's hosting?
I find it fascinating that two players can make so many mistakes, but still end up having even army trades. truly a testament to the match making system at the lowest level
Oh these walls xD . Too all bronze protossers, lineup the hole for your zealot on the edge of the ramp first, then it doesn't matter how clumsy you clog up the rest of the ramp :D
Just think how many lives $15k could have saved in war-torn Africa. Oh without a doubt, video games for kids already lucky enough to get proper healthcare are more important than meals and fresh water and shots for kids unlucky enough to be born to die with absolutely nothing. If Red Cross and such organizations reached even a majority of the kids I'm referring to, I wouldn't even make this post. But remember this: When this post inevitably disappears and I am banned, remember the kids who don't enjoy freedom of speech... in fact they can't speak at all because their throats are dried up from malnutrition and dehydration while you enjoy luxuries abundant and pass your blessing on to kids who also already enjoy modern comforts. Wouldn't it suck to wonder if you're going to wake up tomorrow? If you're going to find enough food to avoid dying of starvation in a ditch?
I know for me it would suck a lot more than taking yucky medication or losing my hair or being bored in the wing of a modern hospital.
On December 11 2011 12:58 enfuegosanto wrote: Just think how many lives $15k could have saved in war-torn Africa. Oh without a doubt, video games for kids already lucky enough to get proper healthcare are more important than meals and fresh water and shots for kids unlucky enough to be born to die with absolutely nothing. If Red Cross and such organizations reached even a majority of the kids I'm referring to, I wouldn't even make this post. But remember this: When this post inevitably disappears and I am banned, remember the kids who don't enjoy freedom of speech... in fact they can't speak at all because their throats are dried up from malnutrition and dehydration while you enjoy luxuries abundant and pass your blessing on to kids who also already enjoy modern comforts. Wouldn't it suck to wonder if you're going to wake up tomorrow? If you're going to find enough food to avoid dying of starvation in a ditch?
I know for me it would suck a lot more than taking yucky medication or losing my hair or being bored in the wing of a modern hospital.
When you donate 15k to kids, you know almost all that money is going to kids. When you donate 15k to africa, you have no idea where its going. People have been throwing millions of dollars at africa for years and its still a horrible situation. Why is this so you ask? 1. Massive politcal oppresion from many governments in africa. 2. Multinationals exploiting 3rd world resources and supporting said oppressive governments.
If you decide to donate to africa, NGOs are pretty much the only way to go unless you just want to give free stuff to dictators who will just take most international help in the end. You really need to know what you are doing when donating and these guys are really trying to help someone in something they know which is video games.
Where I have or have not been is irrelevant to the point. The point isn't what I have done, the point isn't that people should feel holier than thou, or more generous, the point is to maximize the potential of the generous SC2 community to give, not to those who need a 'feel-good', but to those who are living in pure desperation, yearning to live another day on this planet. Life is precious, toys are not.
On December 11 2011 12:58 enfuegosanto wrote: Just think how many lives $15k could have saved in war-torn Africa. Oh without a doubt, video games for kids already lucky enough to get proper healthcare are more important than meals and fresh water and shots for kids unlucky enough to be born to die with absolutely nothing. If Red Cross and such organizations reached even a majority of the kids I'm referring to, I wouldn't even make this post. But remember this: When this post inevitably disappears and I am banned, remember the kids who don't enjoy freedom of speech... in fact they can't speak at all because their throats are dried up from malnutrition and dehydration while you enjoy luxuries abundant and pass your blessing on to kids who also already enjoy modern comforts. Wouldn't it suck to wonder if you're going to wake up tomorrow? If you're going to find enough food to avoid dying of starvation in a ditch?
I know for me it would suck a lot more than taking yucky medication or losing my hair or being bored in the wing of a modern hospital.
Oh great purveyor of truth, martyr of justice, guide us to this charity that you are running!
But in all seriousness, you're a moron.
The charity chosen for this event is perfect for their target audience. Holy shit, a charity that provides video games for SICK CHILDREN receives a lot of donations from a site founded around a VIDEO GAME!!?!?!?
I've met people like you in pretty much all the service work I've done, from habitat for humanity to soup kitchens to the red cross. Go get your fucking sense of self righteousness somewhere else (In a third world country maybe?)
On December 11 2011 12:58 enfuegosanto wrote: Just think how many lives $15k could have saved in war-torn Africa. Oh without a doubt, video games for kids already lucky enough to get proper healthcare are more important than meals and fresh water and shots for kids unlucky enough to be born to die with absolutely nothing. If Red Cross and such organizations reached even a majority of the kids I'm referring to, I wouldn't even make this post. But remember this: When this post inevitably disappears and I am banned, remember the kids who don't enjoy freedom of speech... in fact they can't speak at all because their throats are dried up from malnutrition and dehydration while you enjoy luxuries abundant and pass your blessing on to kids who also already enjoy modern comforts. Wouldn't it suck to wonder if you're going to wake up tomorrow? If you're going to find enough food to avoid dying of starvation in a ditch?
I know for me it would suck a lot more than taking yucky medication or losing my hair or being bored in the wing of a modern hospital.
nobody is saying the bolded, and nobody would - you're missing the point entirely. I'm not going to give this a full dressing-down because this thread doesn't deserve the derail, but it's a pretty good sign that you should avoid posting when in the course of making your post you actually manage to make the plight of children suffering from all manner of life-threatening ailments sound unimportant, regardless of the quality of life they experience.
When you donate 15k to kids, you know almost all that money is going to kids. When you donate 15k to africa, you have no idea where its going. People have been throwing millions of dollars at africa for years and its still a horrible situation. Why is this so you ask? 1. Massive politcal oppresion from many governments in africa. 2. Multinationals exploiting 3rd world resources and supporting said oppressive governments.
If you decide to donate to africa, NGOs are pretty much the only way to go unless you just want to give free stuff to dictators who will just take most international help in the end. You really need to know what you are doing when donating and these guys are really trying to help someone in something they know which is video games.
Valid point. That's why I am of the opinion that we should be using the talent of people like the directors of Child's Play to do something to directly oversee the sending of humanitarian aid (worth only pennies in relation) that is donated to help the destitute and skeleton-built children instead of guaranteeing that your generous gift will provide a modern hospital patient with a pricey entertainment device. And we should be using the talent of people like Geoff Robinson to provide the donors someone who can inspire them to give to such an ideal foundation that can accomplish it with no question.
I know lawn care. Are your generous dollars being used to their maximum potential by gifting lonely nursing home patients with pricey new ferns to water in their windows?
Oh great purveyor of truth, martyr of justice, guide us to this charity that you are running!
But in all seriousness, you're a moron.
The charity chosen for this event is perfect for their target audience. Holy shit, a charity that provides video games for SICK CHILDREN receives a lot of donations from a site founded around a VIDEO GAME!!?!?!?
I've met people like you in pretty much all the service work I've done, from habitat for humanity to soup kitchens to the red cross. Go get your fucking sense of self righteousness somewhere else (In a third world country maybe?)
First of all, it's not about me, or you, or about what you think of my IQ. And I have no clue how to run an organization like that, that's why I recommend giving to an organization that is established and renowned for their ability to do what I cannot.
I don't remember saying giving sick kids video games to enjoy is a bad thing....but....
In StarCraft, don't you talk about trades being cost effective, units giving the most rewards for your minerals spent, and efficient spending resources? Then you understand better than most that the $200 per game system, and that's not even touching accessories and games, could be more wisely given with grace to someone who is in much more desperate need of it?
And who should be the target audience for aid to Africa if not our generous, heart-warming, gives-above-and-beyond SC2 community? If we as gamers relate to giving games to sick kids, why can't we as PEOPLE who enjoy the luxury of 3 meals a day and a 24/7 ER relate to giving food and medicine to people who have absolutely nothing and no hope? At least the sick kids in hospital have hope in modern medicine.
What is self-righteous about recognizing priorities? And if one lived in a third world country and made beans for wages then how would one be able to generously give of extravagant first world income?
On December 11 2011 13:41 enfuegosanto wrote: First of all, it's not about me, or you, or about what you think of my IQ. And I have no clue how to run an organization like that, that's why I recommend giving to an organization that is established and renowned for their ability to do what I cannot.
I don't remember saying giving sick kids video games to enjoy is a bad thing....but....
In StarCraft, don't you talk about trades being cost effective, units giving the most rewards for your minerals spent, and efficient spending resources? Then you understand better than most that the $200 per game system, and that's not even touching accessories and games, could be more wisely given with grace to someone who is in much more desperate need of it?
And who should be the target audience for aid to Africa if not our generous, heart-warming, gives-above-and-beyond SC2 community? If we as gamers relate to giving games to sick kids, why can't we as PEOPLE who enjoy the luxury of 3 meals a day and a 24/7 ER relate to giving food and medicine to people who have absolutely nothing and no hope? At least the sick kids in hospital have hope in modern medicine.
What is self-righteous about recognizing priorities? And if one lived in a third world country and made beans for wages then how would one be able to generously give of extravagant first world income?
It's this kind of attitude that left New Orleans a trash heap with minimal aid, while Haiti received Billions of dollars from everyone around the world.
Just because something is not the most worthy cause, does not mean it is not a worthy cause.
Oh great purveyor of truth, martyr of justice, guide us to this charity that you are running!
But in all seriousness, you're a moron.
The charity chosen for this event is perfect for their target audience. Holy shit, a charity that provides video games for SICK CHILDREN receives a lot of donations from a site founded around a VIDEO GAME!!?!?!?
I've met people like you in pretty much all the service work I've done, from habitat for humanity to soup kitchens to the red cross. Go get your fucking sense of self righteousness somewhere else (In a third world country maybe?)
First of all, it's not about me, or you, or about what you think of my IQ. And I have no clue how to run an organization like that, that's why I recommend giving to an organization that is established and renowned for their ability to do what I cannot.
I don't remember saying giving sick kids video games to enjoy is a bad thing....but....
In StarCraft, don't you talk about trades being cost effective, units giving the most rewards for your minerals spent, and efficient spending resources? Then you understand better than most that the $200 per game system, and that's not even touching accessories and games, could be more wisely given with grace to someone who is in much more desperate need of it?
And who should be the target audience for aid to Africa if not our generous, heart-warming, gives-above-and-beyond SC2 community? If we as gamers relate to giving games to sick kids, why can't we as PEOPLE who enjoy the luxury of 3 meals a day and a 24/7 ER relate to giving food and medicine to people who have absolutely nothing and no hope? At least the sick kids in hospital have hope in modern medicine.
What is self-righteous about recognizing priorities? And if one lived in a third world country and made beans for wages then how would one be able to generously give of extravagant first world income?
Oh wow, you are being a bit self-righteous. There will always be someone that is in more need than the next person. The money you spent on the device you used to post could feed dozens of children. Where are your priorities, man?
Seriously, let people donate to causes that matter to them. Don't tell people where they should spend their money, and they won't tell you where to spend yours.
Let's just ignore the troll, even if their trolltastic bullshit is more eloquent and flowery than most. Awesome job to everyone involved with this, this was a great event to watch and listen to :D So awesome that the SCII community managed to pull together this much money for a great charity like Child's Play!
Awesome event! So many people donating a ton of money by themselves, some even over $1000! That is really amazing. And $16000 overall is pretty amazing as well and is definitely something to be proud of. Although the StarCraft 2 community can seem to be a bit harsh sometimes, time and time again people do great things like this to give us a lot to be proud of. Thank you to everyone who helped put on this event as well as everyone who donated =).
By the way, those commercials were awesome lol. Whoever made those should work for MLG or something and make SC2 versions of commercials for events and their sponsors. I think that would be pretty cool! lol
One of the best SC2 related events of the year. It was a pleasure to watch every second. Seguer and Incontrol had such an excellent relaxed chemistry they just worked well together from the start. From casting like it was a pro game to talking about how that one guy took 4 games to finally get his wall in correct, it was funny throughout. Thanks for hosting such an entertaining event for a great cause!
Whether you donated 0.50, 10, 100, or your the guy that donated the 1250. High five to all of you. Every little helps.
[/QUOTE] ...it's a pretty good sign that you should avoid posting when in the course of making your post you actually manage to make the plight of children suffering from all manner of life-threatening ailments sound unimportant, regardless of the quality of life they experience.[/QUOTE]
What plight do the kids have from their life-threatening ailment that will be solved by gifting them the ability to play an expensive Xbox360 while in the hospital? Having to color coloring books and build Legos in a safe, well lit, clean room with a full belly, surrounded by supportive family and the miracles that modern medicine has to offer...how awful for them.
Wait, Child's Play doesn't do anything to actually help the child's ailment or recovery, it just soothes their tedious hospital stay? You say I'm trivializing their plight....but a video game system....that's an expensive cure for boredom and fear and gloom of a serious disease. I'm sure they get depressed, I'm sure they may even lose hope....but what will my dollars used to buy their hospital an Xbox actually provide for them to help them in their plight of worry and ?
Don't you want to see your hard earned dollars go to something more, someone who absolutely will not walk another day on this earth if it weren't for you? Sick, worried kids aren't unimportant, but wouldn't most logically agree that there are some things that are vitally more important?
I think the fact enfuegosanto's account was made today and 100% of his posts are in this thread goes to show how much of your attention should go towards his opinions.
That being said, well done RITB and I'm glad to have been a donator.
Regardless of your opinions on the charity, it is really sad that you are trying to talk down the event, and undermine all the hard work of the people who run the charity, the people who held this event, the people who donated to the charity, and ESPECIALLY the kids with serious illnesses, many of them which are life-threating or possibly terminal. If you are so passionate about this topic, I would hope that you would realize that helping people who are less fortunate then ourselves, regardless of how less fortunate they are, is a good deed. If you really have a problem with the charity then I would suggest you go to them and express your concerns/opinions, because this is not the place to do it.
On December 11 2011 14:06 enfuegosanto wrote: Don't you want to see your hard earned dollars go to something more, someone who absolutely will not walk another day on this earth if it weren't for you? Sick, worried kids aren't unimportant, but wouldn't most logically agree that there are some things that are vitally more important?
the problems that third-world countries face are far too systematically ingrained and fundamentally broken to be addressed by the $10 I donated to child's play during the course of RotB. this does not mean that we should ignore them by any means, but it does mean that I'm going to be far less affected by the sort of shock guilt-tripping people like you try to lay on others who are ALREADY donating to make the world a better place, one small bit at a time, because the scope of the issues in those countries are gargantuan and better addressed by government aid from people who understand the subtle flows of power and corruption that exist within the governments of the countries in question.
your approach naively assumes we have to start from the top down in terms of who needs assistance, instead of helping those whose plights and the approaches taken to resolve them resonate with the donator. either form of donation is validly helpful, and I got to watch some starcraft in the meantime, so basically I wish you'd stop desperately trying to make people who do care about children feel bad - it's astoundingly counterproductive and immature.
ignore the troll. he is just probably an iNcontrol hater and didn't even pay attention to the benefits video games have for sick children. yes those people in Africa need help more than the kids need video games, but that's why we have other organizations that target those places. by his logic, anything we have should be given to those people in Africa because they need food & money more than we do because we have so much more than they do. see where this is going? in fact, why don't you give up SC2 and sell your computer because they need the money so much more than we do? see where this is going if we follow your logic?
i have to admit, i do struggle sometimes with the amount of "stuff" we have. but i've learned that rather than feel pity for ourselves, we should appreciate and be glad to have what we have. always beating yourself for having too much stuff isn't going to help anyone.
It's this kind of attitude that left New Orleans a trash heap with minimal aid, while Haiti received Billions of dollars from everyone around the world.
Just because something is not the most worthy cause, does not mean it is not a worthy cause.
New Orleans happened because the federal government put itself in charge of immediate aid through an agency, and it failed everyone's expectations, failed hardcore compared to what NGO's like Red Cross and grassroots giving were able to accomplish for poor N'awlins. A lesser acknowledged reason is that neccessary massive aid was also being sent east of New Orleans to the Bay St. Louis to Pascagoula region of Mississippi, where unlike the flooding in NO when the levees broke, houses and stores ceased to exist and 30+ feet walls of wave broke the coastal cities down to a post-nuclear-explosion existence.
It has no comparison with what happened in Haiti. Like Africa, people saw other people in absolutely horrid, desperate circumstances, circumstances no human being should ever have to live through, and decided to help. The reason it was huge was a media thing in Haiti, the coverage was nonstop and huge personalities drummed up support. This resulted in massive outpouring worldwide.
This is being done for Africa, but the problems still exist despite the many organizations contributing.
I agree. Child's Play is a worthy cause to give of your abundance.
But if you're in the market for worthy causes check out starving, hopeless, 'utter darkness' parts of the world. And then examine your priorities, and how best to give generously and make it count. That's all I'm saying.
On December 11 2011 14:28 enfuegosanto wrote: But if you're in the market for worthy causes check out starving, hopeless, 'utter darkness' parts of the world. And then examine your priorities, and how best to give generously and make it count. That's all I'm saying.
A once a year charity that targets a group that is ignored by other organizations for the rest of the year? Definitely a good priority.
...it's a pretty good sign that you should avoid posting when in the course of making your post you actually manage to make the plight of children suffering from all manner of life-threatening ailments sound unimportant, regardless of the quality of life they experience.
What plight do the kids have from their life-threatening ailment that will be solved by gifting them the ability to play an expensive Xbox360 while in the hospital? Having to color coloring books and build Legos in a safe, well lit, clean room with a full belly, surrounded by supportive family and the miracles that modern medicine has to offer...how awful for them.
Wait, Child's Play doesn't do anything to actually help the child's ailment or recovery, it just soothes their tedious hospital stay? You say I'm trivializing their plight....but a video game system....that's an expensive cure for boredom and fear and gloom of a serious disease. I'm sure they get depressed, I'm sure they may even lose hope....but what will my dollars used to buy their hospital an Xbox actually provide for them to help them in their plight of worry and ?
Don't you want to see your hard earned dollars go to something more, someone who absolutely will not walk another day on this earth if it weren't for you? Sick, worried kids aren't unimportant, but wouldn't most logically agree that there are some things that are vitally more important?
I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect.
Don't worry everyone. He's now temp banned for a reason. ^_^
As an end note, the rumble is over for the year, but you can continue to donate via www.rumbleinthebronze.com. There are many other charity events by gamers in the next few months (many of which supporting other organizations), so check them all out, donate what you can, and show everyone how awesome the sc2 community is! Thanks everyone!
On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote: I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect.
Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest.
Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now,
Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"?
The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves.
Remember these are kids, even if there fighting a horrible illness you cant tell me any one of them wouldnt want the chance of trying to escape some of the pain through a video game. When I was 2 I underwent a surgery on my heart, the first thing I wanted when I woke up was my mom, and to go down to the game room to play nintendo. (so my mother tells me) The only thing I can honestly remember is waking up and not knowing who the strange man there was AKA my father, I was pretty drugged up
Our event earned enough money for our logo to be displayed on the front page of Childsplay.org's website next to companies like Microsoft, Nintendo, and Google.
WOW! Thanks once again to everyone who helped out during the event and to everyone who contributed.
Don't feed the trolls who disagree with the charity's purpose people. I know I really benefited from a dentist who had a sega genesis when I was young, barely noticed them going to town on my teeth. It may not be the most vital cause in the world, but it's worth donating some of my money I was going to waste on something else anyways.
I fell asleep, missed everything, just woke up and HOLY CRAP SIXTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. Well done SC2 community, from everyone at the PA forums, you all did a fantastic thing
On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote: I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect.
Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest.
Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now,
Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"?
The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves.
Yes, it is stupid. And I never said I disagree with making their lives more comfortable, I only said buying them Xboxes is stupid, and it is. You read a lot more into my post than was there.
In spite of the fact that consoles are more accessible than ever they're still far more expensive than other things which could provide just as much enjoyment. Quick example: you could buy a few hundred books for the same price as a 360 with 4 controllers and a single game.
BUT with all that said, giving them Xboxes is still a net positive. Like I said in my first post, chances are half the people who donated to Rumble in the Bronze wouldn't have donated to an alternative charity if the show never happened, so those kids would have nothing extra if it weren't for this show. All I'm saying is that it's money that could have been better spent, and I think the donations would have been just as large had it not been Xboxes but books.
So I'm certainly not deriding the organisers in any way. They have my complete respect. But since charity donations are limited it makes a lot of sense to be efficient with those donations. It's simply advice for future charity drives.
On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote: I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect.
Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest.
Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now,
Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"?
The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves.
Yes, it is stupid. And I never said I disagree with making their lives more comfortable, I only said buying them Xboxes is stupid, and it is. You read a lot more into my post than was there.
In spite of the fact that consoles are more accessible than ever they're still far more expensive than other things which could provide just as much enjoyment. Quick example: you could buy a few hundred books for the same price as a 360 with 4 controllers and a single game.
BUT with all that said, giving them Xboxes is still a net positive. Like I said in my first post, chances are half the people who donated to Rumble in the Bronze wouldn't have donated to an alternative charity if the show never happened, so those kids would have nothing extra if it weren't for this show. All I'm saying is that it's money that could have been better spent, and I think the donations would have been just as large had it not been Xboxes but books.
So I'm certainly not deriding the organisers in any way. They have my complete respect. But since charity donations are limited it makes a lot of sense to be efficient with those donations. It's simply advice for future charity drives.
Note that the money donated to Child's Play isn't just video games. It also includes books, board games, and other forms of entertainment for children in hospitals.
On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote: I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect.
Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest.
Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now,
Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"?
The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves.
Yes, it is stupid. And I never said I disagree with making their lives more comfortable, I only said buying them Xboxes is stupid, and it is. You read a lot more into my post than was there.
In spite of the fact that consoles are more accessible than ever they're still far more expensive than other things which could provide just as much enjoyment. Quick example: you could buy a few hundred books for the same price as a 360 with 4 controllers and a single game.
BUT with all that said, giving them Xboxes is still a net positive. Like I said in my first post, chances are half the people who donated to Rumble in the Bronze wouldn't have donated to an alternative charity if the show never happened, so those kids would have nothing extra if it weren't for this show. All I'm saying is that it's money that could have been better spent, and I think the donations would have been just as large had it not been Xboxes but books.
So I'm certainly not deriding the organisers in any way. They have my complete respect. But since charity donations are limited it makes a lot of sense to be efficient with those donations. It's simply advice for future charity drives.
Note that the money donated to Child's Play isn't just video games. It also includes books, board games, and other forms of entertainment for children in hospitals.
This event was so incredible in ways that were unexpected. The production was actually top-notch, including the donor messages, the overlay, the donation counter, and even some good content during the breaks. It was almost the production value of a big tournament! Well done you!
Just came to say well done for a great event. Didn't stay up to watch all of it, but catching up with the VOD's now. Geoff and Shawn, you guys are thoroughly entertaining, and as others have said already, the production has been top notch.
Well done for all the hard work, the money you've/we've raised is fantastic. Such generosity reflects really well on the SC2 community as well, everyone give yourselves a hug
On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote: I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect.
Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest.
Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now,
Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"?
The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves.
Yes, it is stupid. And I never said I disagree with making their lives more comfortable, I only said buying them Xboxes is stupid, and it is. You read a lot more into my post than was there.
In spite of the fact that consoles are more accessible than ever they're still far more expensive than other things which could provide just as much enjoyment. Quick example: you could buy a few hundred books for the same price as a 360 with 4 controllers and a single game.
BUT with all that said, giving them Xboxes is still a net positive. Like I said in my first post, chances are half the people who donated to Rumble in the Bronze wouldn't have donated to an alternative charity if the show never happened, so those kids would have nothing extra if it weren't for this show. All I'm saying is that it's money that could have been better spent, and I think the donations would have been just as large had it not been Xboxes but books.
So I'm certainly not deriding the organisers in any way. They have my complete respect. But since charity donations are limited it makes a lot of sense to be efficient with those donations. It's simply advice for future charity drives.
Note that the money donated to Child's Play isn't just video games. It also includes books, board games, and other forms of entertainment for children in hospitals.
I appreciate your turnaround on this! There's a couple of other things worth knowing about the charity that you can learn from the childsplaycharity.org website. (Note: I am not affiliated with Child's Play, I just like what they do.)
First, why video games? This charity was started out of an explicit desire to show that gamers and game fans can do real good in their community as a way to counteract the negativity of mass media saying that video games train murderers and lead to delinquency. Donating video games gave Child's Play a direct way to draw the connection between "video gamers are good people" and "games do good things for people".
Second, as was mentioned repeatedly in the Child's Play promo video during the RitB, playing video games has specific health benefits to kids in hospitals, notably decreased requests for pain medication and increased compliance, meaning it not only helps the kids, but their parents and doctors as well.
Finally, buying an Xbox can get you a lot more donation mileage than books, in some cases. Being sick in the hospital does not just mean throwing up from cancer treatment. Kids might have burns or other severe injuries, uncontrollable allergies, compromised immune systems, or a problem that can't be solved. These kids cannot share books or crayons that have been sneezed on or touched by other kids, but a video game system can be more easily cleaned, or stored in a way where it isn't being touched. Child's Play donates fresh, sterile toys as well, so kids can have something in a hard, metallic environment. Books also wear out, and crayons get used up, but old video games can be used for years and years.
If anyone wants to know more, Childsplaycharity.org has a lot of good info on these types of questions and exactly how your dollars are being used, and they are great people, and you can even donate over there while you're at it!
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