EPT[GCPL Semis] Liquid vs EG - Page 26
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koolaid1990
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
On November 09 2011 06:41 Loodah wrote: Both hero and ret are better than Idra - Puma and Huk are about equal to hero Haha  Based on what? All are good players but atm I would say Hero and Idra are about even and Ret behind. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On November 09 2011 07:53 Radook wrote: Haha Based on what? All are good players but atm I would say Hero and Idra are about even and Ret behind.because hero 2-0ed idra the last time they played? I mean if we are going to do what everyone else is doing in this thread..... | ||
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
On November 09 2011 07:55 Yamulo wrote: because hero 2-0ed idra the last time they played? I mean if we are going to do what everyone else is doing in this thread..... Ya and IdrA 3-0 Puma  It's impossible to do this X Y Z since race/playstyle/map/form plays a huge role in the outcome and also one minor mistake can swing the match. | ||
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Dexington
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Aocowns
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On November 09 2011 07:39 cavalier117 wrote: Ret- Assembly Winter 2011 = zero Koreans Blizzcon EU invitational = zero Koreans - although Ret did get the easily the hardest bracket possible, rolling through Strelok, Thorzain, and Naniwa twice. however considering since Naniwa went to Korea, he has basically fallen off the map and hasnt produced any notable results whatsoever. noone has really said it, but i would consider him slumping after since at least Homestory cup three. and that's is literally it for big name tournies ever since the game released (dont even kid yourselves, small online cups dont count) he hasnt even gotten any top 4 positions in big tournys like MLG/IEM/Dreamhack/etc, just 2 golds in "non-competitive"(no koreans) tourneys. IdrA and thats not even counting tournys they have both been in, and guess who usually always placed higher? i think it's safe to say that this argument has been settled So when did falling off the map get you invited to blizcon, and at at said blizcon you take 4th place? Seriously need to stop being some fanboy and really look at results. Yes idra has achieved more than ret, no naniwa has not fallen off the map............... Btw, top 4 blizcon is more money than winning an mlg.... so yeah... but I guess naniwas 4th place doesn't count because idra is not there... You can't just look at results people... Saying that naniwa has fallen off the map, or would have, is a really stupid thing to say considering he has only went to one mlg and played in code A twice.... Oh yeah and the 4th place at blizcon that you omitted. Btw his run at blizcon almost involved taking a series against nestea. But like I said this is not the important part, look at how naniwa plays now to how most other foreign protoss do. His style has been changed, and this takes time to do. The naniwa we are seeing now is by far stronger, and more entertaining | ||
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Yamulo
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Sqq
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:05 Sqq wrote: Can't believe some people even think Ret and IdrA are at the same level.. I would say they even in skill just think IdrA has a better practice environment atm and it starting to show. Would love to see a TL practice house but guess hard to sort since they so spread out county wise. | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:05 Sqq wrote: Can't believe some people even think Ret and IdrA are at the same level.. Idra is definitely better, but not by as much as some people said. I think it's just Idra's better practice environment. As soon as Puma went to EG, Idra starts posting really good results. I think if Ret had the same level of practice partners, the gap would be nonexistent. | ||
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cavalier117
United States430 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:02 Yamulo wrote: So when did falling off the map get you invited to blizcon, and at at said blizcon you take 4th place? Seriously need to stop being some fanboy and really look at results. Yes idra has achieved more than ret, no naniwa has not fallen off the map............... Btw, top 4 blizcon is more money than winning an mlg.... so yeah... but I guess naniwas 4th place doesn't count because idra is not there... You can't just look at results people... Saying that naniwa has fallen off the map, or would have, is a really stupid thing to say considering he has only went to one mlg and played in code A twice.... Oh yeah and the 4th place at blizcon that you omitted. Btw his run at blizcon almost involved taking a series against nestea. But like I said this is not the important part, look at how naniwa plays now to how most other foreign protoss do. His style has been changed, and this takes time to do. The naniwa we are seeing now is by far stronger, and more entertaining all you are doing is arguing about naniwa, not ret. do you seriously think anyone actually competes in MLG for the prizemoney?... "almost taking the series against nestea''? all your arguments are illogical. and dont help your case. On November 09 2011 08:08 Radook wrote: I would say they even in skill just think IdrA has a better practice environment atm and it starting to show. Would love to see a TL practice house but guess hard to sort since they so spread out county wise. they have two pro houses... one in Korea( you know, with that little team noone ever heard of called oGs)-this is sarcasm btw. and the EU house where TLO, Haypro, and other EU pros are living. and with the exception of Korean teams, ALL of the major teams are spread out all over the place. As a humble specatator, The problem with Liquid players, is that the majority dont seem to really care if they are the best. At the end of 2010, when Liquid was setting up the oGs house deal. ALL of their players except for Tyler were going. now, only a Korean native, and Jinro are there. Liquid went from being the "the" powerhouse to more or a poster child for the community. They had a massive advantage over every foreign team, and basically all the Korean ones, and they squandered it. With the exception of Hero, they have become a face of the community, not a real competitor. | ||
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ambrosiaa
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Cosmology
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:38 Cosmology wrote: lol people comparing Ret to IdrA, not even close, IdrA is just on a whole differnet level. No, he's not. This is just silly, there is not that big of a gap between the two (if at all). | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:14 cavalier117 wrote: all you are doing is arguing about naniwa, not ret. do you seriously think anyone actually competes in MLG for the prizemoney?... "almost taking the series against nestea''? all your arguments are illogical. and dont help your case. they have two pro houses... one in Korea( you know, with that little team noone ever heard of called oGs)-this is sarcasm btw. and the EU house where TLO, Haypro, and other EU pros are living. and with the exception of Korean teams, ALL of the major teams are spread out all over the place. As a humble specatator, The problem with Liquid players, is that the majority dont seem to really care if they are the best. At the end of 2010, when Liquid was setting up the oGs house deal. ALL of their players except for Tyler were going. now, only a Korean native, and Jinro are there. Liquid went from being the "the" powerhouse to more or a poster child for the community. They had a massive advantage over every foreign team, and basically all the Korean ones, and they squandered it. With the exception of Hero, they have become a face of the community, not a real competitor. the EU house is dead, saw it on a TLO interview | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:39 SniXSniPe wrote: No, he's not. This is just silly, there is not that big of a gap between the two (if at all). As much as it pains me, Idra has won a lot more in terms of both money and tournaments. You could argue that only his name got him qualified but lets be honest. | ||
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Cosmology
Canada360 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:39 SniXSniPe wrote: No, he's not. This is just silly, there is not that big of a gap between the two (if at all). IEM Guangzhou ASUS ROG MLG Orlando Idra is so much better than Ret currently, but Ret definitely is very good. | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:02 Yamulo wrote: So when did falling off the map get you invited to blizcon, and at at said blizcon you take 4th place? Seriously need to stop being some fanboy and really look at results. Yes idra has achieved more than ret, no naniwa has not fallen off the map............... Btw, top 4 blizcon is more money than winning an mlg.... so yeah... but I guess naniwas 4th place doesn't count because idra is not there... You can't just look at results people... Saying that naniwa has fallen off the map, or would have, is a really stupid thing to say considering he has only went to one mlg and played in code A twice.... Oh yeah and the 4th place at blizcon that you omitted. Btw his run at blizcon almost involved taking a series against nestea. But like I said this is not the important part, look at how naniwa plays now to how most other foreign protoss do. His style has been changed, and this takes time to do. The naniwa we are seeing now is by far stronger, and more entertaining Naniwa just lost to Sen, 2-0, and Soccer 2-0. Who? Soccer is just your run of the mill Code A Protoss. Naniwa is gonna get rolled by Lucky in Code A, then maybe he'll stop being over hyped. | ||
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