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sToFu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States189 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 00:18:43
November 09 2011 00:18 GMT
#521
On November 09 2011 06:37 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 06:35 Talin wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:34 Horse...falcon wrote:
TL's dead


TL got outpicked tbh.

It's like watching Proleague finals all over again... losing to a team with 1 top player. -_-


Eh, which team are you referring to? =)


Basically KT Rolster.
KT pretty much had one great player (Flash) this year, because their Zerg (Luxury) was banned for match-fixing, and their protoss (violet) got cancer or something. KT Rolster was even known, in ~2008, as KTFlash, because he'd completely carry the team. They beat SKT T1, a stacked team, in proleague finals.

Edit: Grammar
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 01:01:15
November 09 2011 01:00 GMT
#522
On November 09 2011 09:12 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 08:02 Yamulo wrote:
On November 09 2011 07:39 cavalier117 wrote:
On November 09 2011 07:07 Redox wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:50 Tranqje wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:41 Loodah wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:36 ssg wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:35 Talin wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:34 Horse...falcon wrote:
TL's dead


TL got outpicked tbh.

It's like watching Proleague finals all over again... losing to a team with 1 top player. -_-

If EG only has 1 top player, than TL has 0. Seriously, EG's top 3 players are better than anyone on TL.


Both hero and ret are better than Idra - Puma and Huk are about equal to hero


How do you objectivly say that? Idra has by far better results than ret in general, i can kinda get idra, huk and hero being about equal, i'd probably put the edge with idra seeing his recent form.

Puma just destroys protoss in general, i dont think he's ever lost to hero.

I dont want to take any sides here, but I dont get this opinion.
Main tournament results for Idra were winning IEM China and recently winning this one Invitational in Finland.
While Ret won Assembly Winter and Blizzard Invitatonal EU.

Objectively one would have to say that Rets 2 wins were bigger and more importantly that the competition there was bigger.

Maybe one could argue that the overall results are about equal, but claiming that Idra has far better results than Ret is a real stretch.


Ret-

Assembly Winter 2011 = zero Koreans

Blizzcon EU invitational = zero Koreans
- although Ret did get the easily the hardest bracket possible, rolling through Strelok, Thorzain, and Naniwa twice. however considering since Naniwa went to Korea, he has basically fallen off the map and hasnt produced any notable results whatsoever. noone has really said it, but i would consider him slumping after since at least Homestory cup three.

and that's is literally it for big name tournies ever since the game released (dont even kid yourselves, small online cups dont count) he hasnt even gotten any top 4 positions in big tournys like MLG/IEM/Dreamhack/etc, just 2 golds in "non-competitive"(no koreans) tourneys.

IdrA

and thats not even counting tournys they have both been in, and guess who usually always placed higher? i think it's safe to say that this argument has been settled

So when did falling off the map get you invited to blizcon, and at at said blizcon you take 4th place? Seriously need to stop being some fanboy and really look at results. Yes idra has achieved more than ret, no naniwa has not fallen off the map...............

Btw, top 4 blizcon is more money than winning an mlg.... so yeah... but I guess naniwas 4th place doesn't count because idra is not there...

You can't just look at results people... Saying that naniwa has fallen off the map, or would have, is a really stupid thing to say considering he has only went to one mlg and played in code A twice.... Oh yeah and the 4th place at blizcon that you omitted. Btw his run at blizcon almost involved taking a series against nestea. But like I said this is not the important part, look at how naniwa plays now to how most other foreign protoss do. His style has been changed, and this takes time to do. The naniwa we are seeing now is by far stronger, and more entertaining


Naniwa just lost to Sen, 2-0, and Soccer 2-0. Who? Soccer is just your run of the mill Code A Protoss. Naniwa is gonna get rolled by Lucky in Code A, then maybe he'll stop being over hyped.


Pshyeah, run of the mill Code A players. What noobs.

Anyways...

All this arguing is kinda silly. TL and EG are both great teams... but the really important thing is that EG has considerably more depth. Hero, cool. Maybe Ret. Then who? Sheth, meh. Tyler and TLO and Haypro? LOL.

EG... HuK, IdrA, and Puma? You're gonna almost certainly be favored, ezpz. Then DeMuslim, who's no chump. And then you have the not-so-greats of iNcontroL, Machine, etc.

When it comes to a team tournament, EG is going to have the advantage over TL, especially if EG has access to its whole roster (EG didn't even use IdrA this time) or if there are more games being played. They have more amazing players.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
sLBraemar
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada285 Posts
November 09 2011 01:03 GMT
#523
On November 03 2011 20:54 AxeSC wrote:
PuMa > Sheth
DeMusliM < Ret
Machine < HerO
HuK > HayprO

Ace: PuMa > HerO


Looks like I got it right!
Don't wait for an opportunity to come to you, create your own.
pewpew444
Profile Joined May 2011
United States121 Posts
November 09 2011 01:05 GMT
#524
On November 09 2011 10:03 AxeSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 20:54 AxeSC wrote:
PuMa > Sheth
DeMusliM < Ret
Machine < HerO
HuK > HayprO

Ace: PuMa > HerO


Looks like I got it right!


Good job! Although i feel like demuslim v. ret was the only iffy match.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
November 09 2011 01:06 GMT
#525
For all the people going "EG pwn some TL newbies", just remember the mindset of each team. TL, the team, is much less competitively-oriented by EG. Of course, both want to win (who doesn't), but I think it's pretty obvious TL isn't about winning every single tourney. But above all that, TL, the site, has done so much more for the community than EG lol. Good win by EG. But TL always gonna get my cheer!
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
November 09 2011 01:16 GMT
#526
On November 09 2011 10:06 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
For all the people going "EG pwn some TL newbies", just remember the mindset of each team. TL, the team, is much less competitively-oriented by EG. Of course, both want to win (who doesn't), but I think it's pretty obvious TL isn't about winning every single tourney. But above all that, TL, the site, has done so much more for the community than EG lol. Good win by EG. But TL always gonna get my cheer!

Yeah I bet they lose on purpose to show people how good they are.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
November 09 2011 01:45 GMT
#527
On November 09 2011 04:42 ohampatu wrote:
Puma > Sheth
Demu > Ret
Machine < Hero
Huk > Haypro

By judging skill alone, this will be what happens. Since this is a grudge/ego high running match tho,
anything can happen. If ret pulls the upset and liquid gets lucky with a 2-2 they lose though.

People keep saying HuK will be EG ace, when it wont be. Puma will be, and he will crush any player they use (more than likely will be hero, and puma will smash him i expect).

I am not a puma fan, im a hero fan through and through, but im just being honest.



Woot Woot. Called it :/
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
November 09 2011 01:47 GMT
#528
Getting your call wrong and having a caveat isn't exactly "calling it." Also 2-1 isn't a "smashing."
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
November 09 2011 02:29 GMT
#529
On November 09 2011 10:06 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
For all the people going "EG pwn some TL newbies", just remember the mindset of each team. TL, the team, is much less competitively-oriented by EG. Of course, both want to win (who doesn't), but I think it's pretty obvious TL isn't about winning every single tourney. But above all that, TL, the site, has done so much more for the community than EG lol. Good win by EG. But TL always gonna get my cheer!

I can assure you that every member of TL would shoot this down in an instant. They're of course proud of their website or whatever, but they are first and foremost competitors and have the mindset of wanting to win at the top of their agendas. Also kinda ignorant to not know what EG has done, but that's an entirely different topic. I'm pretty confident that they would all tell you that anything short of a win is a disappointment for them.
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
BlazeTSR
Profile Joined November 2011
United States218 Posts
November 09 2011 02:47 GMT
#530
Crazy matches fellas! GGs
Fan of ........... Protoss: Hero, iNcontroL, Nony Zerg: CatZ and Sheth Terran: Demuslim
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 09 2011 02:53 GMT
#531
Yep! Get pumped for tomorrow's CW between Empire and Mouz to see who + Show Spoiler +
EG
will face in the finals!
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 03:37:29
November 09 2011 03:36 GMT
#532
On November 09 2011 11:29 Loki57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 10:06 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
For all the people going "EG pwn some TL newbies", just remember the mindset of each team. TL, the team, is much less competitively-oriented by EG. Of course, both want to win (who doesn't), but I think it's pretty obvious TL isn't about winning every single tourney. But above all that, TL, the site, has done so much more for the community than EG lol. Good win by EG. But TL always gonna get my cheer!

I can assure you that every member of TL would shoot this down in an instant. They're of course proud of their website or whatever, but they are first and foremost competitors and have the mindset of wanting to win at the top of their agendas. Also kinda ignorant to not know what EG has done, but that's an entirely different topic. I'm pretty confident that they would all tell you that anything short of a win is a disappointment for them.


I'm not saying they don't want to win. Who doesn't want to win? Everyone does, and I'd love to see TL win. But I'm just saying my expectations for the TL team are very different based on the context of the team itself.
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
November 09 2011 03:51 GMT
#533
lol both teams send out koreans for aces.
White-Ra fighting!
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
November 09 2011 04:10 GMT
#534
Xeris does the league conclude this week? As in the finals is going to happen this week as well?
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
November 09 2011 04:29 GMT
#535
Ret should have been sent out instead of Hero for Ace match. Hero only makes since if TL was expecting Idra. Against Puma or Huk, Ret would have had a better chance.
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
November 09 2011 04:48 GMT
#536
On November 09 2011 07:27 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 07:19 Redox wrote:
On November 09 2011 07:16 1Eris1 wrote:
On November 09 2011 07:07 Redox wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:50 Tranqje wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:41 Loodah wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:36 ssg wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:35 Talin wrote:
On November 09 2011 06:34 Horse...falcon wrote:
TL's dead


TL got outpicked tbh.

It's like watching Proleague finals all over again... losing to a team with 1 top player. -_-

If EG only has 1 top player, than TL has 0. Seriously, EG's top 3 players are better than anyone on TL.


Both hero and ret are better than Idra - Puma and Huk are about equal to hero


How do you objectivly say that? Idra has by far better results than ret in general, i can kinda get idra, huk and hero being about equal, i'd probably put the edge with idra seeing his recent form.

Puma just destroys protoss in general, i dont think he's ever lost to hero.

I dont want to take any sides here, but I dont get this opinion.
Main tournament results for Idra were winning IEM China and recently winning this one Invitational in Finland.
While Ret won Assembly Winter and Blizzard Invitatonal EU.

Objectively one would have to say that Rets 2 wins were bigger and more importantly that the competition there was bigger.

Maybe one could argue that the overall results are about equal, but claiming that Idra has far better results than Ret is a real stretch.



And then you have to look at tournaments where neither of them won...which in most most of them (90%) Idra placed considerably higher.
Rets wins are also from quite a while back. You could toss in IdrA's GSL Results or IPL1 if your going to account Assembly.

I am so sure you just pulled this number out of your ass. But I guess I am leaving it there these fanboy discussions dont make much sense anyway.



Yeah sorry, I don't have all of Idra and Ret's individual tournament placements memorized to a point, nor am I that good with math where I could give you a specific number on the spot.
As it stands, in the past MLG's, IEMs, GSLs, etc, Idra almost always places higher than Ret. The only one I can think of Recently where he didn't was IPL3, where I think they tied? Or ret came in a couple places ahead.
Obviously they are both terrific players, but I find it odd that someone actually thinks that Ret is more sucessful than Idra. (At least recently, I.E. past 6 months)

this isn't fanboyism either, my favorite foreigner zerg is Sen anyways -.-


Very well said, neither ret nor idra is my favorite zerg player but strictly speaking recent results idra has an edge, that said I still very much enjoy rets play whereas the only MU I like out of idra is his ZvT.
Anyways nice comment in the midst of people feeling the need to pick at your comment despite its obvious offhandedness, no normal person would assume you actually thought you knew the exact percentage of tournaments idra was placed higher in.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 09 2011 05:17 GMT
#537
On November 09 2011 11:53 Xeris wrote:
Yep! Get pumped for tomorrow's CW between Empire and Mouz to see who + Show Spoiler +
EG
will face in the finals!


Empire and Mouz? Can't wait, the EG MCSL finals weekend meetings between them did not disappoint. :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
November 09 2011 05:24 GMT
#538
jinro's admitted hes been unmotivated the past few months, tylers been hardcore practicing, TLO is still recovering from carpal tunnel, liquid is nowhere near as great as theyre capable of.


also, puma's a TvP specialist. it was just bad luck that liquid's best player gives the other team the perfect matchup.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
November 09 2011 06:37 GMT
#539
On November 09 2011 14:24 courtpanda wrote:
jinro's admitted hes been unmotivated the past few months, tylers been hardcore practicing, TLO is still recovering from carpal tunnel, liquid is nowhere near as great as theyre capable of.


also, puma's a TvP specialist. it was just bad luck that liquid's best player gives the other team the perfect matchup.


Puma's TvP is his best, but I'd hardly call him a specialist. In NASL S1 he 2-0'd Ret and 3-1'd July, which are not small feats. He's also done very well at MLGs in pool play, and in the championship bracket eliminated Polt 2-0.

Saying Puma is a TvP specialist is like saying Idra is a ZvT specialist, or Select is a TvP specialist (or Elfi is a PvP specialist... lol)
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
November 09 2011 07:03 GMT
#540
On November 09 2011 10:06 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
For all the people going "EG pwn some TL newbies", just remember the mindset of each team. TL, the team, is much less competitively-oriented by EG. Of course, both want to win (who doesn't), but I think it's pretty obvious TL isn't about winning every single tourney. But above all that, TL, the site, has done so much more for the community than EG lol. Good win by EG. But TL always gonna get my cheer!


Sorry, but that is just completely wrong.

Every team, and every player is about winning every single tournament they enter. TL has done an enormous amount for esports for an extremely long time in areas other than playing, but how do you equate this to mean that they are 'much less competitively-oriented' than EG?

Also, don't disregard what EG has done for the community. They host the EG masters cup, a great foreign clan war, and they regularly release plenty of other content as well.

You are coming across as simply trying to find an excuse for TL's loss.

Gratz to EG for the victory
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