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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
Zamee
Profile Joined July 2011
England51 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2861
On October 23 2011 07:09 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
So theorycrafting, what could Sen actually have done that game to have a chance to win?

open wall... 6 pool?


This, i'd have thrown out the six pool just to make a point to blizz aswell
sirreginold
Profile Joined September 2011
United States557 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2862
On October 23 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
So theorycrafting, what could Sen actually have done that game to have a chance to win?


Roach ling all in.
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2863
On October 23 2011 07:02 diverzee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:00 TooN wrote:
What has MVP done to have people not like him


What! He's my favourite player D:

But with each loss I like him less and less. I wish SC2 could show consistency as to who wins. I can understand MVP losing to Nestea, but I don't want him to drop games to no namers


?? How many losses has MVP had in the last month? He lost one match to MMA and one to Nestea. Who else has beaten him?

More importantly you aren't a true fan if you can't support your guy through loses. I still love FruitDealer and he has been losing for almost a year. Same with Moon. And while I am an MVP fan he doesn't fall into the territory of the above two who are really inconsistent, MVP certainly wins a lot lot more than he loses.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2864
when does the final start ?
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5714 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2865
On October 23 2011 07:09 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:06 Jyvblamo wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:05 doihy wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:00 Shaxe wrote:
Never understood why crowds never like Mvp...


If you haven't been to a live event so far, here's how the crowd works majority of the time.

They cheer in the order of:
Is Idra/ Huk playing? Cheer for them
Is Boxer playing? Cheer for him
Are there foreigners playing? Cheer for the foreigner
Is Protoss playing? Cheer for P.
Is Zerg playing? Cheer for Z.
Who is the underdog? Cheer for him.

Nobody seems to like Terran in the crowd most of the time.

Not always true, the crowd loves MMA because he has a cool personality and did that hadouken ceremony.


Show nested quote +
Is Boxer playing? Cheer for him


MMA = substitute for Boxer.


MMA was also the underdog vs MVP. He fufills 2 roles lol.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2866
On October 23 2011 07:09 Keyz1 wrote:
I just find it hilarious how DEEP DOWN INSIDE.............tasteless and artosis are going wtf is this shit? Sen has no chance whatsoever close pos shattered vs MVP.

Did they even mention his disadvantage during their casting? I'm sure if they said a single word, they'd probably get asked to stfu and know their roles after casting the game lol.

They mentioned several times, how terrible these spots are for Zerg...
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2867
So MVP's made at least ~$45k this weekend? Not bad at all.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2868
On October 23 2011 07:09 Keyz1 wrote:
I just find it hilarious how DEEP DOWN INSIDE.............tasteless and artosis are going wtf is this shit? Sen has no chance whatsoever close pos shattered vs MVP.

Did they even mention his disadvantage during their casting? I'm sure if they said a single word, they'd probably get asked to stfu and know their roles after casting the game lol.


Did you even watch? They said many times its bad for Sen.
27raven
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic89 Posts
October 22 2011 22:10 GMT
#2869
On October 23 2011 07:09 verifyid wrote:
Here is a proper translation

Day9: How were you feeling in those games against Sen. You had two dominating games in a row.
MVP: First of all, since I'm friendly with Sen, I felt bad, but I'm also happy to be able to go against Nestea again.

Day9: How were you feeling about those [last] games [against Nestea] now knowing that you get to rematch against Nestea.
MVP: Last time I was defeated pitifully, but this time I will win.

Day9: So going against Nestea for a chance at $50,000 what do you think your chances of winning are?
MVP: First of all the thought that I could win such a big prize makes me feel good, but I really want to win against Nestea. I am setting my goal to beat Nestea.


Thank you, sir.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 22 2011 22:11 GMT
#2870
On October 23 2011 07:09 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
So theorycrafting, what could Sen actually have done that game to have a chance to win?

What NesTea did.

I don't think MVP used the same build
Taking advantage of the open wall would have done it
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
October 22 2011 22:11 GMT
#2871
I think the reason the crowds are (stupidly, i might add) under-appreciative of MVP is because he doesn't have as much of an outwards personality on stage as MC/MMA. In the fans minds, he just kind of shows up to tournaments and destroys everybody in macro games without a fight.

He's humble, extremely hard working and deserving of his wins. He's never fallen into a major slump (the only noticeable one would be when he fell into Code A - only to quickly claim another GSL).

You'll never see him do a throat-slice or say "ezpz" in a pre-match interview. You'll not even see him drop a million scans to signalize the end of the game. He drops mules, but that's more of a standard ritual in every game as opposed to a strict BM thing.
memes are a dish best served dank
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
October 22 2011 22:11 GMT
#2872
Sen didn't show his best game, oh well. Korea takes top 2...

Fun fact: The Opening match of Blizzcon 2011 was the only match up without a zerg player.
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
October 22 2011 22:11 GMT
#2873
On October 23 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
So theorycrafting, what could Sen actually have done that game to have a chance to win?

What Artosis said: he had to make an unscoutable assumption (i.e. guess) and use this 'knowledge' to decide on when to start making units.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
October 22 2011 22:11 GMT
#2874
On October 23 2011 07:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:09 Zane wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
So theorycrafting, what could Sen actually have done that game to have a chance to win?

What NesTea did.

I don't think MVP used the same build
Taking advantage of the open wall would have done it

It was reactored hellions again.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 22 2011 22:11 GMT
#2875
On October 23 2011 07:05 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:00 TooN wrote:
What has MVP done to have people not like him


Common complaint I hear is that his play isn't interesting enough. He's a very very solid terran player, and in a way he's the safest of the bunch. But I think it was sort of shown perfectly vs MMA that though his macro might be the best, he's largely a turtle-to-max-then-win player.

Not saying that's all he does. I know he can do any strategy in the book, but his "style" seems to fall back on security. Players like MMA are fan favourites for his risky drop play and unique builds. MVP's risk-taking is low, and though he often wins it's usually pretty safe.

I'm sort of a fan, but his safety can make some games a little dull and so I'm not as much a fan of his play as I am for players like DRG and MC.


I'm much more of a Nestea fan, but I like and respect MVP too and don't think his style is boring. He seems to have more builds than any terran and he's generally a very macro-oriented player that also possesses the the mechanics to apply just enough pressure, but he isn't very aggressive. I favor this play because it usually leads to the longer more epic games.

MVP vs Top game 1 was wayyyyyy better than any of the comeback stuff that MMA has ever shown imo. That carpet nuke of the base was just flat out sexy.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Wafflelisk
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada1061 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 22:12:33
October 22 2011 22:12 GMT
#2876
On October 23 2011 07:09 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:08 Asymmetric wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:04 TheAngryZergling wrote:
lol @ "duking off". duking it out meets jerking off.


What?

It mean engaging in a duel. i.e. fighting.


in this topic, we learn about cultural language differences


Well, duking it out means fighting in Canada, and we generally use the same expressions as them. Never seen it referred to another kind of vigorous action here :p

My verdict: mr angry zergling has a dirty mind o:
Waffles > Pancakes
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
October 22 2011 22:12 GMT
#2877
Thank you Blizzcon for showing the true balance of the game.
Tournament maps are so zerg favored that people forget what it's like to play on ladder maps.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 22 2011 22:12 GMT
#2878
On October 23 2011 07:11 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:09 Zane wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
So theorycrafting, what could Sen actually have done that game to have a chance to win?

What NesTea did.

I don't think MVP used the same build
Taking advantage of the open wall would have done it

It was reactored hellions again.

He swapped to tanks faster
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
October 22 2011 22:12 GMT
#2879
On October 23 2011 07:09 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:08 Asymmetric wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:04 TheAngryZergling wrote:
lol @ "duking off". duking it out meets jerking off.


What?

It mean engaging in a duel. i.e. fighting.


in this topic, we learn about cultural language differences


You sir, made my day. English humour, ah !
GIMME ALL THE BELGIAN WAFFLES I CAN GET FOR THIS MONEY !!!!!! BELGIAN WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEES
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
October 22 2011 22:13 GMT
#2880
Lol, the trivia is trolling.
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