On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
Yeah, the Korean TLPD looks really grim for him. 7-10 vP, last 6 games lost in a row.
edit: also ridiculous just how one-sided the scene in Korea is overall. MMA has 89 recorded games overall - 9 vZ, 17 vP... 63 vT. >_>
I am sorry but this only shows MMA got really lucky playing against tired MVP after playing whole bunch of Blizzcon games against top players around world.
MMA is great player, and I wish they play again in the finals in the future while MVP is in his full condition.
p.s. and yes i am little butt hurt cause MVP lost lol
On October 24 2011 02:04 Fleshy wrote: I am sorry but this only shows MMA got really lucky playing against tired MVP after playing whole bunch of Blizzcon games against top players around world.
MMA is great player, and I wish they play again in the finals in the future while MVP is in his full condition.
p.s. and yes i am little butt hurt cause MVP lost lol
Thankfully, MVP is not as butthurt as you.
I heard your condition yesterday was very bad
"condition was bad", "was unlucky", "was jetlagged", I think these phrases are just excuses. I didn't play well, while MMA did. That's all.
On October 24 2011 02:04 Fleshy wrote: I am sorry but this only shows MMA got really lucky playing against tired MVP after playing whole bunch of Blizzcon games against top players around world.
MMA is great player, and I wish they play again in the finals in the future while MVP is in his full condition.
p.s. and yes i am little butt hurt cause MVP lost lol
MVP said himself before the matches he was in perfect shape.
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
I'll take Bomber's TvZ over MMA's probably. Pretty close still.
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
I'll take Bomber's TvZ over MMA's probably. Pretty close still.
Anyway, I can't even believe MMA won...
Speaking as someone who is a huge fan of both of them, I'd take MMA's TvZ over Bomber's any day of the week. Unless DRG is involved, in which case I'd take Bomber or MVP.
On October 24 2011 02:04 Fleshy wrote: I am sorry but this only shows MMA got really lucky playing against tired MVP after playing whole bunch of Blizzcon games against top players around world.
MMA is great player, and I wish they play again in the finals in the future while MVP is in his full condition.
p.s. and yes i am little butt hurt cause MVP lost lol
yes, and mvp himself said that he had no excuses and just played worse than MMA
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
I'll take Bomber's TvZ over MMA's probably. Pretty close still.
Anyway, I can't even believe MMA won...
Speaking as someone who is a huge fan of both of them, I'd take MMA's TvZ over Bomber's any day of the week. Unless DRG is involved, in which case I'd take Bomber or MVP.
I don't really see why people like Bomber so much. I mean, he won MLG, but other than that, he hasn't won anything. I would rank: TvZ: MVP > MKP > MMA TvP: MVP > Polt > Happy TvT: MMA > MVP > MMA
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
I'll take Bomber's TvZ over MMA's probably. Pretty close still.
Anyway, I can't even believe MMA won...
Speaking as someone who is a huge fan of both of them, I'd take MMA's TvZ over Bomber's any day of the week. Unless DRG is involved, in which case I'd take Bomber or MVP.
I don't really see why people like Bomber so much. I mean, he won MLG, but other than that, he hasn't won anything. I would rank: TvZ: MVP > MKP > MMA TvP: MVP > Polt > Happy TvT: MMA > MVP > MMA
MMA is greater than and worse than himself.... did someone divide by zero?
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
I'll take Bomber's TvZ over MMA's probably. Pretty close still.
Anyway, I can't even believe MMA won...
Speaking as someone who is a huge fan of both of them, I'd take MMA's TvZ over Bomber's any day of the week. Unless DRG is involved, in which case I'd take Bomber or MVP.
I don't really see why people like Bomber so much. I mean, he won MLG, but other than that, he hasn't won anything. I would rank: TvZ: MVP > MKP > MMA TvP: MVP > Polt > Happy TvT: MMA > MVP > MMA
Are you trolling? You would put MVP over Polt? Seriously? And you put Happy in top 3 TvP? Happy's achieved even less than Bomber. I honestly can't even remember when Happy last played a TvP; according to his TLPD, he's played a total of nine TvPs and won only five of them, putting him just above 50%. Meanwhile, if you go straight to the ELO match-up rankings, you'll note that Bomber currently has the highest vP ELO of every player in Korea and also has the highest vP peak as well. He has a 85% win-percentage in TvP, for god's sake. That's better than NesTea's ZvP.
Bomber has always been known for his very strong, standard, macro-style TvP, even when he was breaking out. (It's just gotten overshadowed by his TvT, which, ironically, was actually one of his weaker match-ups, but he improved on it when he had to TvT his way to Code A first place.) MVP, meanwhile, dropped out of Code S because of TvP. Even MVP fans (of which I'm also one) will say that his TvP is "above average" at best and lately, he's only been doing "better" in the match-up because of the balance shift of TvP, whereas players like Polt and Bomber have always been good at TvP.
If anything, and if you didn't want to rate Bomber first due to bias, it'd be Polt > Bomber > Puma (depending on your taste in TvP style) > everyone else. But not putting Bomber in Top 3 TvP is a ridiculously biased call. Dislike him as much as you want but at the very least acknowledge that he's a beast at TvP. There's a reason why everyone thought Puzzle was absolutely bonkers when he chose Bomber at last group selections; it's not only because he's sick good, but because he's sick good at TvP in particular.
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
I'll take Bomber's TvZ over MMA's probably. Pretty close still.
Anyway, I can't even believe MMA won...
Speaking as someone who is a huge fan of both of them, I'd take MMA's TvZ over Bomber's any day of the week. Unless DRG is involved, in which case I'd take Bomber or MVP.
I don't really see why people like Bomber so much. I mean, he won MLG, but other than that, he hasn't won anything. I would rank: TvZ: MVP > MKP > MMA TvP: MVP > Polt > Happy TvT: MMA > MVP > MMA
TvZ: MVP then Ganzi. It's been too long since MMA and MKP have played a high profile TvZ series and I'm not convinced their respective styles would still be effective against current strategies. Yes I am completely ignoring the AoL results. Watching those games I refuse to believe any of the players there used their best strategies. Happy has good results but against bad ZvTers.
TvP: Frankly, past results aren't really relevant anymore. Nobody has played enough high level TvP's since the patch to be able to rank them. Polt and Bomber were the only notable TvPers anyways.
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
I'll take Bomber's TvZ over MMA's probably. Pretty close still.
Anyway, I can't even believe MMA won...
Speaking as someone who is a huge fan of both of them, I'd take MMA's TvZ over Bomber's any day of the week. Unless DRG is involved, in which case I'd take Bomber or MVP.
I don't really see why people like Bomber so much. I mean, he won MLG, but other than that, he hasn't won anything. I would rank: TvZ: MVP > MKP > MMA TvP: MVP > Polt > Happy TvT: MMA > MVP > MMA
TvZ: MVP then Ganzi. It's been too long since MMA and MKP have played a high profile TvZ series and I'm not convinced their respective styles would still be effective against current strategies. Yes I am completely ignoring the AoL results. Watching those games I refuse to believe any of the players there used their best strategies. Happy has good results but against bad ZvTers.
TvP: Frankly, past results aren't really relevant anymore. Nobody has played enough high level TvP's since the patch to be able to rank them. Polt and Bomber were the only notable TvPers anyways.
TvT: MMA>MVP>Bomber>Ryung>the rest
You are overhyping MMA, MVP still has a much more solid history in TvT he is #1, also MKP despite his high profile TvT losses still has very strong TvT, better than Bomber and maybe Ryung... for TvT id rank it MVP>MMA>MKP>Bomber=Ryung>Else
On October 23 2011 23:48 Bobster wrote: The only thing that mars MMA's GSL October victory run is that he didn't get to prove himself in another matchup than TvT.
I mean, it showed that he has one of the best TvTs in the world, but he had no game vP, and only one game vZ... which he lost.
Not his fault, of course, just the way the cookie crumbled.
The only matchup he has still not proven himself in is TvP. His TvZ is probably the best in the world along with mvp.
I'll take Bomber's TvZ over MMA's probably. Pretty close still.
Anyway, I can't even believe MMA won...
Speaking as someone who is a huge fan of both of them, I'd take MMA's TvZ over Bomber's any day of the week. Unless DRG is involved, in which case I'd take Bomber or MVP.
I don't really see why people like Bomber so much. I mean, he won MLG, but other than that, he hasn't won anything. I would rank: TvZ: MVP > MKP > MMA TvP: MVP > Polt > Happy TvT: MMA > MVP > MMA
TvZ: MVP then Ganzi. It's been too long since MMA and MKP have played a high profile TvZ series and I'm not convinced their respective styles would still be effective against current strategies. Yes I am completely ignoring the AoL results. Watching those games I refuse to believe any of the players there used their best strategies. Happy has good results but against bad ZvTers.
TvP: Frankly, past results aren't really relevant anymore. Nobody has played enough high level TvP's since the patch to be able to rank them. Polt and Bomber were the only notable TvPers anyways.
TvT: MMA>MVP>Bomber>Ryung>the rest
You are overhyping MMA, MVP still has a much more solid history in TvT he is #1, also MKP despite his high profile TvT losses still has very strong TvT, better than Bomber and maybe Ryung... for TvT id rank it MVP>MMA>MKP>Bomber=Ryung>Else
What notable TvT has MKP won recently in the GSL? he destroyed MMA in AoL but that was online. In offline events, he lost to ganzi in the code A finals and lost to bomber and ryung in his code S group.
My TvT rankings would be MVP > MMA > clide = ryung = bomber > else
EPT
are they any other links for the vod beside gomtv?
