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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:58 corpsepose wrote: polt's tvp is statistically his highest matchup on tlpd korea... by a looong shot He's only lost three games to Protoss, all to Killer. He's essentially Puma but . . . . better. | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:56 youngminii wrote: No, Polt is a TvT monster. Even so, he doesn't need to be a monster to beat Inc. No, hes right. Polt's TvP was one of the most fearsome in Korean. He was hovering just under 90% winrates at one point. | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
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SharkHuh
United States129 Posts
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:59 minhbq299 wrote: it is 1-0 muta and 2-0 lings it is actually 6 vs 3 on upgrades and both on 3 bases with the same workers count, idra 4th never has any drones. And if you guys notice, marineking stay with the same supply through out the game, he has never been behind. marineking was 3-3 on marines AND 2-0 on mech, so... lack of upgrades killed idra. we can move on now. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On October 16 2011 11:00 mordk wrote: Polt is probably the best Bio TvT player. That means he can't play against any decent mech player, but against other terrans he usually fares well. That said, historically his TvP is crazy good. He can beat most mech terrans. The only mech terrans I've seen that can successfully hold off his harass time and time again are MvP and Bomber (TOP is iffy). | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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laharl23
United States582 Posts
On October 16 2011 11:00 Asymmetric wrote: No, hes right. Polt's TvP was one of the most fearsome in Korean. He was hovering just under 90% winrates at one point. yep polt/bomber are pretty much the two strongest players in tvp | ||
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sirreginold
United States557 Posts
On October 16 2011 11:00 Zalitara wrote: I hate watching White-Ra play a dozen games every MLG he particepates in just to lose the game before he get's out of the open bracket. Also he is just so fucking unlucky with his opponents... I know it's by seed and random, so I am not saying MLG is out to get him, but the gaming god sure as hell is. Hopefully next year he'll get a seeded in pool play. | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote: can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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zdragon
United States150 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades. That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving. I hate this idiotic attitude. This is not an unique pattern to Zerg. Every race and matchup has situations where 1) a crucial fight determines the game 2) things get out of control quickly. In TvZ, any prolonged 2 base because of good positioning by Z is a straight beeline to having no control against a massive muta count. There isn't recovering from that. Go look at Boxer v Idra games - slow 3rd bases against Z are a disaster for bio builds. If MKP had lost his 3rd, it would be equally unforgiving. But people enjoy pretending they are the victims. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:58 corpsepose wrote: polt's tvp is statistically his highest matchup on tlpd korea... by a looong shot especially if you take out his losses to killer who he seems to struggle with. | ||
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Gh86
646 Posts
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zzdd
United States484 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:57 minhbq299 wrote: Point out how was MKP playing poorly, he defends well against a 3 base zerg(4th base have no drones) when MKP just take his 3rd. Idra lost because he invest in mass units to attack, have nothing to fall back on (hive tech, infestors, no upgrades) => that's why he lose when he cant finish MKP. I will not comment on this match anymore but anyone who think idra is better player and MKP is not outplaying idra in that last game is delusional fanboyism and do not understand the game at all. MKP get Idra to cancel his 3rd. Idra then snipes all MKP's tanks, constantly harrasses, taking out scvs, depots, and denying more expansions. MKP gets 3-3 marines, a bunch of medivacs and wins. It's hard to say he out played him when MKP was losing a lot and manages to win due to a handful of marines. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote: 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. did you just sum up all the upgrades Idra had and disregarded the insane upgrade lead that MKP had? Just how delusional can you people get? | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:58 Fionn wrote: I was talking to Probe1 on MSN last night and said I had a vision where Polt went on a gigantic run and then lost to Incontrol. Now he's facing Incontrol. Scary. There's only one thing for it... A random MLG executive comes up to you with a briefcase and says a million dollars is inside. He says that if Polt beats Incontrol, you win a million dollars. If he loses, you will be killed right there and then. | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:57 Redox wrote: Are you serious about "open bracket noobs"? There were as least as many top players in the open bracket than in the pools. And yes there were great games so far on the beta streams. But they said there was 250 players or something stupidly high like that? So maybe 70 'good' players? I don't want to watch a goswser player tbh even if he did beat polt. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On October 16 2011 11:00 Zalitara wrote: I hate watching White-Ra play a dozen games every MLG he particepates in just to lose the game before he get's out of the open bracket. Also he is just so fucking unlucky with his opponents... I know it's by seed and random, so I am not saying MLG is out to get him, but the gaming god sure as hell is. Ya it is very unfortunate, but on the other hand it is fortunate that MLG realized the problem and will change the format next season to favor players who go through the open bracket much more than they do now. Perhaps they will have 6-8 groups instead, for more spots to get into from the open bracket, or maybe they will just give more points to players who go through the open bracket than they currently do. | ||
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Kazang
578 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:57 Yaotzin wrote: It was more like Idra was picking off bishops/towers/knights while MKP had a few pawns heading up to be promoted (3-3 marine/medivac). Idra couldn't stop MKP before his pawns arrived, and MKP promoted some queens and roflstomped. Great analogy, MKP played for the long game and slowly weathered the storm until he had an overwhelming upgrade advantage then moved in with a crushing blow. It's amazing how people obsess over build orders and unit composition while, completely not grasping or understand the basic over arching strategy. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On October 16 2011 11:00 usethis2 wrote: Well Geez. Does anyone doubt that MKP wouldn't have been able to kill Idra on Metalopolis with 2-rax/bunkers? Be glad that Idra actually showed his skills because MKP let him. If the series were a GSL one MKP would not have gone the same way and would have ended the game much quicker. I understand peoples need to try and shit on Idra but don't spit on MKP and tarnish him by saying crap like this. He went into that game with that build believing it would win | ||
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