Brutal... Incontrol needs to go against an amazing TvPer (Polt). Then Polt has the chance to kill 3 TLers, and then a second EG member. Very interesting.
On October 16 2011 10:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote: [quote] No he wasn't banking 2k minerals the entire time, he started banking once he started getting attacked from 2 sides, it's easier to attack than it is to defend most of the time.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around...
Yeah, MKP completely outplayed Idra that game.
Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades.
That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving.
3/3 Marines > 1/1 Zerg. Just like 3/3 Zealots would > 1/1 Marauders. Simple.
On October 16 2011 10:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:39 Shurayuki wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:39 MCDayC wrote: That's gonna go down as another amazing ZvT that Idra should have won.
and then the other guy was better and won instead?
Idra should have won it.
But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead.
Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys.
outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes.
2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference.
can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines?
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around...
Yeah, MKP completely outplayed Idra that game.
Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades.
That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving.
Were YOU watching another game? MKP did have the upper hand ALL GAME long. Did you not see his upgrades? His win was due to holding the upper hand all game and then completely steam rolling Idra at the end. Simple as that.
Damn all this crap in the middle. I hope in future SC2 games will be decided by who can race to max upgrades first. It will be the resurgence of Protoss I think
On October 16 2011 10:55 FryktSkyene wrote: Is it worth it to buy the 4 stream thing? Hae you guys been able to see good games? Like top player games not just open bracket noobs.
Also, how much was it? It it's really worth I will be getting it for next MLG.
Thanks
Are you serious about "open bracket noobs"?
There were as least as many top players in the open bracket than in the pools. And yes there were great games so far on the beta streams.
just get the free silver membership thing and see for yourself x.x
This. 3-3 marines won him the game, nothing else. Macro was poor, not a single reactored barracks and he was banking 2k+ minerals the entire time. His micro wasn't even that good tbh. Simply won because marines are too damn good.
No he wasn't banking 2k minerals the entire time, he started banking once he started getting attacked from 2 sides, it's easier to attack than it is to defend most of the time.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Point out how was MKP playing poorly, he defends well against a 3 base zerg(4th base have no drones) when MKP just take his 3rd. Idra lost because he invest in mass units to attack, have nothing to fall back on (hive tech, infestors, no upgrades) => that's why he lose when he cant finish MKP.
I will not comment on this match anymore but anyone who think idra is better player and MKP is not outplaying idra in that last game is delusional fanboyism and do not understand the game at all.
Read the quote road and theres my answer, been said numerous times. Anyway I said I wasn't responding anymore cause I'm just wasting my time at this point.
On October 16 2011 10:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:39 Shurayuki wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:39 MCDayC wrote: That's gonna go down as another amazing ZvT that Idra should have won.
and then the other guy was better and won instead?
Idra should have won it.
But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead.
Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys.
outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes.
2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference.
Thats actually quite huge...
it is 1-0 muta and 2-0 lings it is actually 6 vs 3 on upgrades and both on 3 bases with the same workers count, idra 4th never has any drones.
And if you guys notice, marineking stay with the same supply through out the game, he has never been behind.
On October 16 2011 10:54 TooN wrote: update on incontrol? still winless?
Pretty sure he went 0-5. Going up against Polt in the Championship Bracket, so he's going to get crushed. Not hating, I like Inc, but Polt is a TvP monster.
No, Polt is a TvT monster. Even so, he doesn't need to be a monster to beat Inc.
polt's tvp is statistically his highest matchup on tlpd korea... by a looong shot
His TvT has been getting very good lately. The patch and his improved macro have helped him.
On October 16 2011 10:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote: [quote] No he wasn't banking 2k minerals the entire time, he started banking once he started getting attacked from 2 sides, it's easier to attack than it is to defend most of the time.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around...
Yeah, MKP completely outplayed Idra that game.
Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades.
That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving.
its less forgiving for every race. What if there was an random infestor that landed and a fungal and banelings hit. Idra rolls over base 3 and gg.
Idra probably got cocky. Maybe he felt like letting the pressure of MKP would let him get back in it and thats a viable possibility aswell whatever the reason Idra was not able to build on his lead.
On October 16 2011 10:33 Takkara wrote: MKP is breathlessly amazing. What a series. Just amazing. What an nerd baller. Bravo to him.
All he really did was get 3/3 on his marines. His macro was actually terrible but he had 3/3 marines to stim. The only reason he won is because of the power of marines.
thats why he had 4 cc and 57 workers at 15min after idra killed 30
You're right shit macro
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Did you not notice how he was floating 2k minerals at the end of the game because he didn't remember to make reactors or more barracks?
he did make reactors, he didn't make them early game to focus those gas on upgrade. That was why he was able to afford all the upgrades and still tech to tank, medivac at the same time.
So you're going to blantantly lie because Day9 showed all 8 or so barracks with no addon at all.
I'm gonna watch it again to make sure, but if he still didn't have it, i'm sure his gas was low, There's no way you can afford 3-3 bio upgrade 2-0 mech upgrade, have medivac, tank, even thor in 15 minutes.
The only thing you should complain about him is not having enough raxes.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around...
Yeah, MKP completely outplayed Idra that game.
Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades.
That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving.
Were YOU watching another game? MKP did have the upper hand ALL GAME long. Did you not see his upgrades? His win was due to holding the upper hand all game and then completely steam rolling Idra at the end. Simple as that.
Dude, his economy was in the toilet and he was dropping constantly in supply. All idra had to do was hold the last push and that was it. He didn't though.
On October 16 2011 10:54 TooN wrote: update on incontrol? still winless?
Pretty sure he went 0-5. Going up against Polt in the Championship Bracket, so he's going to get crushed. Not hating, I like Inc, but Polt is a TvP monster.
No, Polt is a TvT monster. Even so, he doesn't need to be a monster to beat Inc.
polt's tvp is statistically his highest matchup on tlpd korea... by a looong shot
Polt is probably the best Bio TvT player. That means he can't play against any decent mech player, but against other terrans he usually fares well. That said, historically his TvP is crazy good.
On October 16 2011 10:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote: [quote] No he wasn't banking 2k minerals the entire time, he started banking once he started getting attacked from 2 sides, it's easier to attack than it is to defend most of the time.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Point out how was MKP playing poorly, he defends well against a 3 base zerg(4th base have no drones) when MKP just take his 3rd. Idra lost because he invest in mass units to attack, have nothing to fall back on (hive tech, infestors, no upgrades) => that's why he lose when he cant finish MKP.
I will not comment on this match anymore but anyone who think idra is better player and MKP is not outplaying idra in that last game is delusional fanboyism and do not understand the game at all.
Read the quote road and theres my answer, been said numerous times. Anyway I said I wasn't responding anymore cause I'm just wasting my time at this point.
actually you were wasting your time from the start.
I hate watching White-Ra play a dozen games every MLG he particepates in just to lose the game before he get's out of the open bracket. Also he is just so fucking unlucky with his opponents... I know it's by seed and random, so I am not saying MLG is out to get him, but the gaming god sure as hell is.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around...
Yeah, MKP completely outplayed Idra that game.
Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades.
That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving.
3/3 Marines > 1/1 Zerg. Just like 3/3 Zealots would > 1/1 Marauders. Simple.
I don't think marauders would actually even lose that if micro'd properly with conc.
Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.
On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.
Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.
So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...
No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.
It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.
hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.
Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.
Point out how was MKP playing poorly, he defends well against a 3 base zerg(4th base have no drones) when MKP just take his 3rd. Idra lost because he invest in mass units to attack, have nothing to fall back on (hive tech, infestors, no upgrades) => that's why he lose when he cant finish MKP.
I will not comment on this match anymore but anyone who think idra is better player and MKP is not outplaying idra in that last game is delusional fanboyism and do not understand the game at all.
Read the quote road and theres my answer, been said numerous times. Anyway I said I wasn't responding anymore cause I'm just wasting my time at this point.
actually you were wasting your time from the start.
Well Geez. Does anyone doubt that MKP wouldn't have been able to kill Idra on Metalopolis with 2-rax/bunkers? Be glad that Idra actually showed his skills because MKP let him. If the series were a GSL one MKP would not have gone the same way and would have ended the game much quicker.
To those few people that hate watching Koreans win all these tournaments: Without Korean players, all these events would be a snore fest. Just look at NASL S2. They have a couple of great players that can demonstrate some high level play but it's not as entertaining.
Think of a major sport if a team swapped their pro team for their farm team and you had to watch those people play. It's not as entertaining.
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