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No player/caster bashing, or balance whining. Bans will be handed out like candy. (page 131)
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
October 14 2011 23:08 GMT
#1861
On October 15 2011 08:06 Jezdog wrote:
How was bombers play that awesome?

Sheth at one stage kills all the SCVs at the third and gold and was harrassing like a boss and bomber wasn't dealing with it.

Not saying Bomber is worse than sheth, but really...


Sheth was maneuvring his army in one group. Probably no control groups, just boxing the whole thing.

Bomber sends 2 marines and a marauder to snipe an infestor, and sheth runs away with his entire army while bomber pushes forward and sieges up. Couldn't he have pulled hte infestors back, killed the marines, with anything, secured his position on the high ground gold, and flanked bomber instead of attack-moving from one angle?

sheth's army control was pretty lackluster. His counterattacks were great, but when terran has built 4 macro orbitals, scv kills aren't that important. If he had been dropping/nydusing to take out production in the main, that would have been nice.
kilergrunt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States263 Posts
October 14 2011 23:08 GMT
#1862
On October 15 2011 08:04 StoLiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 08:03 _Darwin_ wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:03 tlassg wrote:
with great restraint from whining....

what exactly is ghosts counter?


banelings... zerglings... how do you not know?

Baneling don't counter ghost, ghost are armored not light

They are not even armored, they are Biological and Psionic
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Cubeface
Profile Joined April 2011
965 Posts
October 14 2011 23:09 GMT
#1863
On October 15 2011 08:08 Arijevska wrote:
Bomber SICK GOOD maybe even better then MVP


Maybe... probably not though
Rowa
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium962 Posts
October 14 2011 23:09 GMT
#1864
Nice recap !
♞ To obtain a bird's eyes is to turn a blizzard to a breeze ♞
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
October 14 2011 23:09 GMT
#1865
On October 15 2011 08:06 00Visor wrote:
LR-Threads like always
Quick win: Meh, cheese
Mid game win: Meh, allin
Late game win: Meh, balance

Bomber won because of his insane macro.


well i think TvZ isnt balancee, but Bomber is obviously just better than Sheth
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
October 14 2011 23:09 GMT
#1866
How many orbitals did Bomber have there..? O_o He built tons of them right after maxing out which made him very vulnerable and was only saved because he could cloak his ghosts and Sheth didn't have an overseer. When he survived that moment he basically had infinite resources from an uncountable amount of mules.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 14 2011 23:09 GMT
#1867
On October 15 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:07 Drazerk wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:07 Drazerk wrote:
Jump in LR!

Ret vs Hongun on Tal'darim

In the bottom right is Ret

While in the top right is HongUn


3:30

Nexus and forge out for Hongun

Ret has a pool and a queen


4;00

Hatch on the way for ret as hongun gets a gateway + gas


4:40

Overlord scouts from ret seeing the probe transfer and the cyber core starting


6:30

Marco hatch up for ret
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
October 14 2011 23:09 GMT
#1868
On October 15 2011 08:07 Jezdog wrote:
I really dunno what sheth is supposed to build there? At one stage he had the ability to build and do what he wanted, he got all the best units....


Actually, against the composition bomber had, tier 3 was pretty awful.
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 23:12:03
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1869
On October 15 2011 08:05 Flonomenalz wrote:
Oh sweet. One unit countering all of Zerg T3, amazing!

wp by Bomber regardless but come on. He did nothing that game. All his drops shut down. Perfect counter attacks by Sheth. All to get rolled by T1 units with ghosts? Jesus...


Yeah, that's pretty much how protoss feels lol. Zerg and protoss pretty much unanimously hate ghosts in general. I don't see what the point of them having cloak in multiplayer is anyway, seems completely unnecessary and if you're caught without detection/the detection is killed you may as well have infestors able to fungal while burrowed.

And you can't say he did nothing that game. He tried to drop, Sheth stopped it. Sheth also had several bad attempts at harassing that got shut down for much bigger losses, and the time that he ended up killing a ton of scvs, that was good for Bomber because he had like 8 orbitals and would have soon sacked scvs for extra army supply anyway. Both just sat back and played a macro game with some nominal harassing and Bomber won in the end.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1870
that IdrA clip, did not belong on the top 10. top 10 worst maybe, but not in a positive countdown.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
WhiteraCares
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden339 Posts
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1871
On October 15 2011 08:06 Cain0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 08:03 Pajegetc wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:02 Kznn wrote:
Snipe is so strong :/


Not really, Bomber found a flaw in Sheth's build and countered it.


Ok, so snipe counters Ultras/Brood Lords
Marines counter zerlings/mutas
Siege Tank counters banes and most other things that walk

What should sheth have built?


Ok, so ling/bling counters ghost
Infestor/Ultra/bling counter marines.
Mutas counters siege tanks and most other things that dont shoot air.

What should Bomber have built?
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1872
Can't believe people are arguing balance when one of the top 3 terran in the world beat a mid level foreigner zerg. Jesus people.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 23:10:35
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1873
Why is there no refresh button for each stream in the quad view streams?

-.-
1on1 auf azze no he no flash no awp only holztor. | Ja, da meint der ich hätt' abgeschmatzt, aber dat is Quatsch, verstehste?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 23:10:51
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1874
On October 15 2011 08:09 butchji wrote:
How many orbitals did Bomber have there..? O_o He built tons of them right after maxing out which made him very vulnerable and was only saved because he could cloak his ghosts and Sheth didn't have an overseer. When he survived that moment he basically had infinite resources from an uncountable amount of mules.


He dropped 3 macro orbitals as he was taking the gold.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1875
On October 15 2011 08:09 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:07 Drazerk wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:07 Drazerk wrote:
Jump in LR!

Ret vs Hongun on Tal'darim

In the bottom right is Ret

While in the top right is HongUn


3:30

Nexus and forge out for Hongun

Ret has a pool and a queen


4;00

Hatch on the way for ret as hongun gets a gateway + gas


4:40

Overlord scouts from ret seeing the probe transfer and the cyber core starting


6:30

Marco hatch up for ret


7:10

Three gates going down for Hongun powered by an artoss's pylon and getting two more gas
gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1876
I dont know what zerg will come up with once terrans manage to replace their marine/tank with lategame ghost/tank.
That should counter every single composition zerg could throw at terran.
And some terrans got frighteningly close to having a pure ghost/tank army and they always looked untouchable.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1877
On October 15 2011 08:09 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:07 Drazerk wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:07 Drazerk wrote:
Jump in LR!

Ret vs Hongun on Tal'darim

In the bottom right is Ret

While in the top right is HongUn


3:30

Nexus and forge out for Hongun

Ret has a pool and a queen


4;00

Hatch on the way for ret as hongun gets a gateway + gas


4:40

Overlord scouts from ret seeing the probe transfer and the cyber core starting


6:30

Marco hatch up for ret


Where do you see this?
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Cain0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom608 Posts
October 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#1878
On October 15 2011 08:08 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 08:05 Brad Lah wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:03 Ysellian wrote:
On October 15 2011 08:02 LesPhoques wrote:
This is retarded. Ghost pretty much counters every zerg unit. /Protoss rant


nah ultra's are actually good in soaking up damage from snipe. I've seen Nestea actually handle it quite nicely (and Stephano too I believe). If sheth had an overseer initially he would have won the game.


You mean the overseer that would get sniped?


Overseer has 11 vision range and Snipe has 10 range. 6 Ultra's up close who have killed a ton of ghosts before any damage could have been done.


So you must perfectly micro an overseerer just so you dont die when terran only has to go SNIPE SNIPE SNIPE
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
October 14 2011 23:11 GMT
#1879
On October 15 2011 08:10 1Eris1 wrote:
Can't believe people are arguing balance when one of the top 3 terran in the world beat a mid level foreigner zerg. Jesus people.


People will never stop. It was the same when the best player in the world destroyed July.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 14 2011 23:11 GMT
#1880
When you invest so much gas into hive tech, getting additional upgrades and late game Zerg units, it is ridiculous to say 'lol go ling bling.' In fact, I feel Zerg is the race where people say 'lol you needed hive tech can't go ling bling all game', and 'zomg hive sucks.' it is as though people want Zerg to go Hive 'just in case' Terran has lots of tanks. Zerg players's solution to ghosts is not on composition, but on how they can limit their numbers. In bw, if the vessel count got too high, Zerg had nothing left which could beat the bio tank army. You columns say stuff like 'lol get scourge' which is what a lot of people are saying.
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