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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 13 2011 20:20 GMT
#1441
On October 14 2011 05:18 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 05:16 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:15 Grettin wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:14 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:13 akalarry wrote:
sentries force field your ramp, can't defend your base.

sentries force field their ramp, can't attack their base.

can't even /dance roach hydras. nothing you can do!

Thats why you need to creep spread your main bro, or research overlord drops, overlord speed, etc.
Don't let units sneak into your main unnoticed, or have a plan to get over the forcefields.

EDIT: Or Burrow + Move roaches.


Yep, overlord drop is very useful against dozen of phoenixes. lol

...so go Burrow-Move roaches? Last time I checked Phoenixes are terrible against that.


Nice edit. That could have worked, unless he spots it and forcefields the shit out of the burrowed roaches.

......burrowed roaches go under forcefields.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
October 13 2011 20:20 GMT
#1442
grats to gatored!!
get rich or die mining
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
October 13 2011 20:20 GMT
#1443
On October 14 2011 05:18 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 05:16 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:15 Grettin wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:14 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:13 akalarry wrote:
sentries force field your ramp, can't defend your base.

sentries force field their ramp, can't attack their base.

can't even /dance roach hydras. nothing you can do!

Thats why you need to creep spread your main bro, or research overlord drops, overlord speed, etc.
Don't let units sneak into your main unnoticed, or have a plan to get over the forcefields.

EDIT: Or Burrow + Move roaches.


Yep, overlord drop is very useful against dozen of phoenixes. lol

...so go Burrow-Move roaches? Last time I checked Phoenixes are terrible against that.


Nice edit. That could have worked, unless he spots it and forcefields the shit out of the burrowed roaches.


burrow roaches move under forcefield
hewley
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1063 Posts
October 13 2011 20:20 GMT
#1444
On October 14 2011 05:15 CutthroatCollapse wrote:
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On October 14 2011 05:11 akalarry wrote:
gatored easily beating dongraegu even with horrible mechanics and losing units needlessly. must've been an insanely good build.


I dont know where you saw "horrible mechanics" from gatored. the only mistake was maybe when he let DRG's hydras back up the ramp (was watching his phoenixes prolly), but by that time he had already done more than enough damage.


Maybe when he was floating 1,5k minerals. I remember Elfi had also a hard time macroing when he did this build against Idra. Its a good all-in build with high skill cap, but his execution could be a lot better.
Esports bubble pop, bubble pop
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
October 13 2011 20:20 GMT
#1445
Who is Gatored and how did he beat DRG?!
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 13 2011 20:20 GMT
#1446
On October 14 2011 05:19 zev318 wrote:
how do ppl say DRG is bad vP? i mean having 65% winrate against P is bad vP now?

beaten ppl like hero, who i think ppl have said has an extremely good vZ. beaten huk/naniwa as well.


Same reason people say Nestea has bad TvZ.

Comparatively to his other MUs his ZvP is bad. He has said it himself
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 13 2011 20:20 GMT
#1447
On October 14 2011 05:18 Azhrak wrote:
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On October 14 2011 05:15 Grettin wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:15 Roggay wrote:
That was Elfi's build?

Yes, Elfi did it against Idra in IEM China..

Glad to see some of you remember that. Dunno who came up with the build, but elfi definitely made it known by doing it in last IEM.

That build has been around for a little while. Pretty sure I've seen white RA do it
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 13 2011 20:20 GMT
#1448
On October 14 2011 05:18 TaktiDerBlonde wrote:
with a second WP to harass the 3rd and 4th while taking ur own third, it would have looked even more demolishing..

i say that as a zerg user..


The thing is if he tried to take a third earlier he would have to either sack it, hide it, or not be able to defend the counter attack that hit his wall at the nat.
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
October 13 2011 20:21 GMT
#1449
On October 14 2011 05:19 cyclonous wrote:
So Ive followed other tournaments where they feature both LoL and SC2 and normally the SC2 viewership is WAY larger than LoL's, but in this case the LoL viewership is at least 3x larger (17k for sc2 and over 70k for LoL) anyone know why this is? We're people upset about the extreme delay and didnt watch? Are people not as excited about the players? (I know I wasn't blown away by the pool) Opinions?


LoL usually has a very high number of viewers, couple that with IEM NY having a weak field of players and that they are squished between IPL3 and MLG it makes sense imo.
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
October 13 2011 20:21 GMT
#1450
On October 14 2011 05:19 ssg wrote:
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On October 14 2011 05:18 Derez wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:15 ssg wrote:
LOL at 2 Code S players going down to 2 NA players today.


Both the code S players are playing absolutely terrible, and their opponents are only slightly above that.

The NA players are part-timers beating full-time pros. No excuses for the Code S players. They got beat.


The NA guys have been throwing shit all over stephano performance, how does it feel to have the same thing done to you ?
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 13 2011 20:21 GMT
#1451
On October 14 2011 05:20 Fatalize wrote:
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On October 14 2011 05:19 cyclonous wrote:
So Ive followed other tournaments where they feature both LoL and SC2 and normally the SC2 viewership is WAY larger than LoL's, but in this case the LoL viewership is at least 3x larger (17k for sc2 and over 70k for LoL) anyone know why this is? We're people upset about the extreme delay and didnt watch? Are people not as excited about the players? (I know I wasn't blown away by the pool) Opinions?



.... what ?

LoL always had a lot more viewers than SC2 since the big tourneys of LoL started.

Yup. The only time I haven't seen LoL blow away SC2 in viewership was during IPL3 (where they were both 50-60k). Even then, LoL was ahead pretty much all the time.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
October 13 2011 20:21 GMT
#1452
On October 14 2011 05:19 cyclonous wrote:
So Ive followed other tournaments where they feature both LoL and SC2 and normally the SC2 viewership is WAY larger than LoL's, but in this case the LoL viewership is at least 3x larger (17k for sc2 and over 70k for LoL) anyone know why this is? We're people upset about the extreme delay and didnt watch? Are people not as excited about the players? (I know I wasn't blown away by the pool) Opinions?

LoL almost always get most viewers than Sc2, that is because LoL is a friendly/casual game while Sc2 is more heavy play/hardcore game.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 20:22:03
October 13 2011 20:21 GMT
#1453
On October 14 2011 05:20 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 05:18 Grettin wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:16 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:15 Grettin wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:14 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:13 akalarry wrote:
sentries force field your ramp, can't defend your base.

sentries force field their ramp, can't attack their base.

can't even /dance roach hydras. nothing you can do!

Thats why you need to creep spread your main bro, or research overlord drops, overlord speed, etc.
Don't let units sneak into your main unnoticed, or have a plan to get over the forcefields.

EDIT: Or Burrow + Move roaches.


Yep, overlord drop is very useful against dozen of phoenixes. lol

...so go Burrow-Move roaches? Last time I checked Phoenixes are terrible against that.


Nice edit. That could have worked, unless he spots it and forcefields the shit out of the burrowed roaches.

......burrowed roaches go under forcefields.


Yep, but do you know what happens when there is an observer? You can shoot those burrowed roaches. Try and unburrow then. Oh, and i'm not sure if he had an obs, but should have had.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
October 13 2011 20:21 GMT
#1454
On October 14 2011 05:02 Kilby wrote:
I think Gatored clearly watched the Day9 Daily about Elfi and controlling the gameflow.


Like I said.

It's so cool to see some nice innovation from the protoss camp. These games are absolutely must see for all protoss players.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 13 2011 20:21 GMT
#1455
I guess wikipedia should add a new definition to all-in I mean jeez, all the Zerg want is taking all the bases, Protoss and Terran don't touch them, let them drone up to 80 and outmacro everything and that'll be fine. I mean DRG took a super quick third and drone up like crazy, while Gatored hide his x2 stargate perfectly and caught DRG completely off guard, killed off all the queens so no more larvae for quite a while. He force DRG to put up 9-10 sporcrawlers and 6-7 ovie too. That was a serious economy damage and it was smart. That's how you should play the game.
theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
October 13 2011 20:22 GMT
#1456
Gatored had some cool builds, would have been better if he executed them better. A 2-0 vs DRG would have been too epic. Oh well, still cool for him.
If all you're offering is Dos Equis, I will stay thirsty thank you very much.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 13 2011 20:22 GMT
#1457
On October 14 2011 05:20 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 05:19 OminouS wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:17 ladyumbra wrote:
Just tuned in and caught the tail end of the last game. Is DRG's vP being terrible again or was Gatored just a boss?


I would say a little of both. But DRG really has to get his ZvP together to be one of the best (imo).

To be the best, you just need to win the greatest tournament. The greatest tournament (GSL) doesn't have any protosses left. So DRG's good


lol agreed. besides i think his ZvZ is his weakest matchup. In the gstl he was mainly known for his ZvT but his ZvP was considered to be very strong as well.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1774 Posts
October 13 2011 20:22 GMT
#1458
On October 14 2011 05:21 FaRess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 05:19 ssg wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:18 Derez wrote:
On October 14 2011 05:15 ssg wrote:
LOL at 2 Code S players going down to 2 NA players today.


Both the code S players are playing absolutely terrible, and their opponents are only slightly above that.

The NA players are part-timers beating full-time pros. No excuses for the Code S players. They got beat.


The NA guys have been throwing shit all over stephano performance, how does it feel to have the same thing done to you ?

Ugh, I was speaking more of the Code S players....
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 13 2011 20:22 GMT
#1459
not guaranteed a spot? bitter failing again at group standings
psychopat
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada417 Posts
October 13 2011 20:22 GMT
#1460
On October 14 2011 05:19 cyclonous wrote:
So Ive followed other tournaments where they feature both LoL and SC2 and normally the SC2 viewership is WAY larger than LoL's, but in this case the LoL viewership is at least 3x larger (17k for sc2 and over 70k for LoL) anyone know why this is? We're people upset about the extreme delay and didnt watch? Are people not as excited about the players? (I know I wasn't blown away by the pool) Opinions?

People are busy at work/school... Not many jobs allow you to watch SC2 while you're there...
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