On October 22 2011 23:05 AxionSteel wrote: It depends what you mean by A-Team, Grubby might not be top 3 protoss in EU, but he's still a top european player. Europe has a lot more depth than NA.
A-team would be the top10 in any particular region, no? I mean, how big are your teams O_o
So when you look at Europe, you have Mana, nerchio, stephano, thorzain, naniwa, jinro, sjow, sase, hasuobs, socke, dimaga, morrow, Kas, White Ra, Strelok etc etc, that's far more than 10, and there's many more, I don't think you can say there's only ten A team players in Europe. I'd rather rank by tiers, all of them are top European players, and I'd put Grubby and Cloud as a top tier European player as well. 2nd Tier would probably include LiveZerg, though.
I just wouldn't put Grubby/Cloud on the same level as Whitera/Thorzain at all, and if they are, they haven't shown it in terms of results.
On October 22 2011 23:07 VegaNZ wrote: 7:00 MC expands, has immortal and observer on the way. Mana adding 2 gates
(LR virgin)
8:00 Mana on 5 gates, MC with a 3 probe advantage. Both players adding Immortals
9:00 TC finishes for MC - starts blink. TC on the way for Mana who's still building immortals
10:00 MC trying to snipe Mana's observer, but Mana is wise to it. MC's blink finishing up, supply count 76 for both players.
11:00 Robo bay on the way for MC, shortly followed by a robo bay for Mana. First engagment about to happen
13:00 MC snipes Mana's sentries, MC wins the first engagement up 10 supply. MC moving around the map.
14:00 - MC takes a third, Mana is catching up the supply difference. MC's thermal lance finishing just as Mana's start. Both adding a second Robo, but MC's is ahead. MC also adding a forge. Both players passive for the moment.
On October 22 2011 23:05 AxionSteel wrote: It depends what you mean by A-Team, Grubby might not be top 3 protoss in EU, but he's still a top european player. Europe has a lot more depth than NA.
A-team would be the top10 in any particular region, no? I mean, how big are your teams O_o
So when you look at Europe, you have Mana, nerchio, stephano, thorzain, naniwa, jinro, sjow, sase, hasuobs, socke, dimaga, morrow, Kas, White Ra, Strelok etc etc, that's far more than 10, and there's many more, I don't think you can say there's only ten A team players in Europe. I'd rather rank by tiers, all of them are top European players, and I'd put Grubby and Cloud as a top tier European player as well. 2nd Tier would probably include LiveZerg, though.
I just wouldn't put Grubby/Cloud on the same level as Whitera/Thorzain at all, and if they are, they haven't shown it in terms of results.
On October 22 2011 23:07 VegaNZ wrote: 7:00 MC expands, has immortal and observer on the way. Mana adding 2 gates
(LR virgin)
8:00 Mana on 5 gates, MC with a 3 probe advantage. Both players adding Immortals
9:00 TC finishes for MC - starts blink. TC on the way for Mana who's still building immortals
10:00 MC trying to snipe Mana's observer, but Mana is wise to it. MC's blink finishing up, supply count 76 for both players.
11:00 Robo bay on the way for MC, shortly followed by a robo bay for Mana. First engagment about to happen
13:00 MC snipes Mana's sentries, MC wins the first engagement up 10 supply. MC moving around the map.
14:00 - MC takes a third, Mana is catching up the supply difference. MC's thermal lance finishing just as Mana's start. Both adding a second Robo, but MC's is ahead. MC also adding a forge. Both players passive for the moment.
16:00 - Mana puts down a third, but MC's +1 well on the way as Mana's forge is just finishing up. MC has a 2 collosi advantage, very similar numbers on other units
On October 22 2011 23:05 AxionSteel wrote: It depends what you mean by A-Team, Grubby might not be top 3 protoss in EU, but he's still a top european player. Europe has a lot more depth than NA.
A-team would be the top10 in any particular region, no? I mean, how big are your teams O_o
So when you look at Europe, you have Mana, nerchio, stephano, thorzain, naniwa, jinro, sjow, sase, hasuobs, socke, dimaga, morrow, Kas, White Ra, Strelok etc etc, that's far more than 10, and there's many more, I don't think you can say there's only ten A team players in Europe. I'd rather rank by tiers, all of them are top European players, and I'd put Grubby and Cloud as a top tier European player as well. 2nd Tier would probably include LiveZerg, though.
I just wouldn't put Grubby/Cloud on the same level as Whitera/Thorzain at all, and if they are, they haven't shown it in terms of results.
That is because you don't follow the Players close enough and only look at statistics.
On October 22 2011 23:05 AxionSteel wrote: It depends what you mean by A-Team, Grubby might not be top 3 protoss in EU, but he's still a top european player. Europe has a lot more depth than NA.
A-team would be the top10 in any particular region, no? I mean, how big are your teams O_o
So when you look at Europe, you have Mana, nerchio, stephano, thorzain, naniwa, jinro, sjow, sase, hasuobs, socke, dimaga, morrow, Kas, White Ra, Strelok etc etc, that's far more than 10, and there's many more, I don't think you can say there's only ten A team players in Europe. I'd rather rank by tiers, all of them are top European players, and I'd put Grubby and Cloud as a top tier European player as well. 2nd Tier would probably include LiveZerg, though.
I just wouldn't put Grubby/Cloud on the same level as Whitera/Thorzain at all, and if they are, they haven't shown it in terms of results.
Perhaps ClouD is overall not on the level of ThorZaIN, but TvT wise ClouD is better.
Grubby would be the second tier of protosses at the moment I THINK, behind Nani/Sase/MaNa, but he can beat all of them. Don't really know that for certain, seeing as we haven't seen too much of him since he went to Korea.
Also, results are not everything, and White-Ra doesn't have that great results either.
On October 22 2011 23:07 VegaNZ wrote: 7:00 MC expands, has immortal and observer on the way. Mana adding 2 gates
(LR virgin)
8:00 Mana on 5 gates, MC with a 3 probe advantage. Both players adding Immortals
9:00 TC finishes for MC - starts blink. TC on the way for Mana who's still building immortals
10:00 MC trying to snipe Mana's observer, but Mana is wise to it. MC's blink finishing up, supply count 76 for both players.
11:00 Robo bay on the way for MC, shortly followed by a robo bay for Mana. First engagment about to happen
13:00 MC snipes Mana's sentries, MC wins the first engagement up 10 supply. MC moving around the map.
14:00 - MC takes a third, Mana is catching up the supply difference. MC's thermal lance finishing just as Mana's start. Both adding a second Robo, but MC's is ahead. MC also adding a forge. Both players passive for the moment.
16:00 - Mana puts down a third, but MC's +1 well on the way as Mana's forge is just finishing up. MC has a 2 collosi advantage, very similar numbers on other units
17:00 - Mana with a nice blink into MC's base, get's a pylon and gets away. No real damage done.
On October 22 2011 23:07 VegaNZ wrote: 7:00 MC expands, has immortal and observer on the way. Mana adding 2 gates
(LR virgin)
8:00 Mana on 5 gates, MC with a 3 probe advantage. Both players adding Immortals
9:00 TC finishes for MC - starts blink. TC on the way for Mana who's still building immortals
10:00 MC trying to snipe Mana's observer, but Mana is wise to it. MC's blink finishing up, supply count 76 for both players.
11:00 Robo bay on the way for MC, shortly followed by a robo bay for Mana. First engagment about to happen
13:00 MC snipes Mana's sentries, MC wins the first engagement up 10 supply. MC moving around the map.
14:00 - MC takes a third, Mana is catching up the supply difference. MC's thermal lance finishing just as Mana's start. Both adding a second Robo, but MC's is ahead. MC also adding a forge. Both players passive for the moment.
16:00 - Mana puts down a third, but MC's +1 well on the way as Mana's forge is just finishing up. MC has a 2 collosi advantage, very similar numbers on other units
17:00 - Mana with a nice blink into MC's base, get's a pylon and gets away. No real damage done.
18:30 - Both armies posturing in the middle of the map and engage. MC's collosi out of position, and Mana taking a big lead!!!!! MC in big trouble now.