EPTESWC 2011 Grand Finals - Page 144
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VegaNZ
New Zealand317 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:07 CryMeAReaper wrote: Well depends on how you define an A teamer or an B teamer. If you define an "A" player as in top 3 in their region, then yes, ClouD is prolly not A teamer but a high lvl B teamer. However, imo an A teamer is around top 10 or so in their region, the guys you expect to do well (not neccesarily win it), while guys like Thorzain, Nerchio are A+/S team. But generally I think you shouldnt label players like that, as almost everyone at the top level can beat each other if the conditions are there. You're saying top 10 of their respective race... that's a 30 player team? | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:06 Jehct wrote: So he's better than Sase/Naniwa/Mana? And Cloud > Strelok/Thorzain/Bratok/Demuslim/Kas/Beasty.... It never ends. ClouDs TvT is one of the best, yes. He recently beat Kas. He beat ThorZaIN here... all of the players you named are very good and it would be a discredit to them if you just call out a player better as you really cannot proof it easily. For me ClouD is one of the best TvTers and has proofed it a lot of times... | ||
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VegaNZ
New Zealand317 Posts
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VegaNZ
New Zealand317 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:07 VegaNZ wrote: 7:00 MC expands, has immortal and observer on the way. Mana adding 2 gates (LR virgin) 8:00 Mana on 5 gates, MC with a 3 probe advantage. Both players adding Immortals | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:07 Mouzone wrote: Why are all streams casting the same game? people asked for the korean games continually, so they all said ok then + Show Spoiler + there's probably not another game on right now ldo | ||
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FinnGamer
Germany2426 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:06 Jehct wrote: So he's better than Sase/Naniwa/Mana? And Cloud > Strelok/Thorzain/Bratok/Demuslim/Kas/Beasty.... It never ends. I think your missing the definition of A-Teamer, you don't have to be considered Top3 to be one | ||
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Otori
Sweden164 Posts
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VegaNZ
New Zealand317 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:08 VegaNZ wrote: (LR virgin) 8:00 Mana on 5 gates, MC with a 3 probe advantage. Both players adding Immortals 9:00 TC finishes for MC - starts blink. TC on the way for Mana who's still building immortals | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:09 Otori wrote: Is there a loser bracket in this tournament or is thorzain out? He's out. | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:09 Otori wrote: Is there a loser bracket in this tournament or is thorzain out? thorzain out, such is the hilarity of bo3 single elim | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:04 mTw|NarutO wrote: I think people fail to realize that ThorZaIN could not push very fast. Yes he had tanks and a 'better' composition but only if he moves slowly and leapfrogs. We all know Marines do insane DPS and with superior upgrades ClouD had 3-2 vs 2-1 he would have walked right through marine/tank... Its really not that amazing and hard if you have better upgrades + a decent split with medivacs. Yet ClouD decided to do a massive drop because ThorZaIN KNEW he probably can get caught offguard if he starts moving so he was playing defensive in the middle. If TZ had a sensor tower or turrets, things would look completely different but he did not. Thats what I talked about earlier, you can really really easily just lose a game of Starcraft 2. That game did not really show that TZ is worse, nor did it show the opposite. GGs.. I'd wish to see TZ play Stephano but ClouD won and people should get over it. Thorzain was being totally inactive with his tank line for like 5 minutes or so. If he leapfrogged them MKP style, he could have zoned the area between clouds natural and his 3rd and he could harass clouds 3rd pretty easily. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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VegaNZ
New Zealand317 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:09 VegaNZ wrote: 9:00 TC finishes for MC - starts blink. TC on the way for Mana who's still building immortals 10:00 MC trying to snipe Mana's observer, but Mana is wise to it. MC's blink finishing up, supply count 76 for both players. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:07 Jehct wrote: A-team would be the top10 in any particular region, no? I mean, how big are your teams O_o So when you look at Europe, you have Mana, nerchio, stephano, thorzain, naniwa, jinro, sjow, sase, hasuobs, socke, dimaga, morrow, Kas, White Ra, Strelok etc etc, that's far more than 10, and there's many more, I don't think you can say there's only ten A team players in Europe. I'd rather rank by tiers, all of them are top European players, and I'd put Grubby and Cloud as a top tier European player as well. 2nd Tier would probably include LiveZerg, though. | ||
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VegaNZ
New Zealand317 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:10 VegaNZ wrote: 10:00 MC trying to snipe Mana's observer, but Mana is wise to it. MC's blink finishing up, supply count 76 for both players. 11:00 Robo bay on the way for MC, shortly followed by a robo bay for Mana. First engagment about to happen | ||
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:09 poorcloud wrote: Thorzain was being totally inactive with his tank line for like 5 minutes or so. If he leapfrogged them MKP style, he could have zoned the area between clouds natural and his 3rd and he could harass clouds 3rd pretty easily. As said, inferior upgrades and not a high count of marine/tank leapfrogging is a huge risk. Probably the reason why he either did not push or wanted to reinforce before he pushed. | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On October 22 2011 23:07 Jehct wrote: You're saying top 10 of their respective race... that's a 30 player team? Top 10 in EUROPE, not team lol, think you misunderstood me Edit: but generally you shouldt label players like that, as i feel the scene in sc2 is to volatile to accurately be able to rank players like that. | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
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