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iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
October 04 2011 06:04 GMT
#3241
Can people stop saying that PuMa won against MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row, im a toss player and MC fan but thats fucking annoying....people obviously didn't watch it and are just spreading the trolls work
Hello friends:)
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 06:06:28
October 04 2011 06:04 GMT
#3242
On October 04 2011 15:00 samd wrote:
i dont understand why people aren't even considering the possibility that puma threw the games. I mean I don't 100% believe it but I could see it happening. Puma doesn't gain anything from winning. EG gets tons of publicity from their most talked about and famous player winning. Idra hasn't put together a good result in a while. And then there's this tweet: http://i.imgur.com/ssWYE.png

I mean it probably was legitimate games, but to instantly cuss out those raising questions is ignorant. This type of thing has happened in esports tons of times before.


The reason people cuss out those raising questions is that it's a pretty serious accusation. If players are fixing matches, then there goes the credibility of the sport. That isn't something you should just throw around when someone pulls off an upset or when one player looks worse than you'd expect them to. If there's evidence, if there's a pattern, if there's anything substantial, then sure. But just saying "Puma didn't look good against Idra, must have thrown the match on purpose" is pretty awful in my opinion. That's actually a big deal, this is supposed to be a real competition, not a professional wrestling match.

Edit @ the tweet: probably just a tweet :-p Hopefully. If you think he's serious about that, then sure, discuss it, I just get frustrated when some people talk about match fixing so casually -.-
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 06:05:13
October 04 2011 06:04 GMT
#3243
On October 04 2011 15:03 Wipples wrote:
Why don't protoss ever research hallucination for the midgame when its HT vs. Ghost? Seems to me like Hallucinating some HTS would be a good way to keep them from being sniped or EMPd. Any reasons not to do this?

Thats a really good idea, dont know why protosses dont do that :o actually vs zerg hallucinated lossus are really annoying aswell vs corrupters.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
FKAri
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada84 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3244
tod vs elakeduck story...shud be good ^^
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3245
omg I miss ElakeDuck :D
His in game chats were the best.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3246
HTs not doing so well versus ghosts.... needs more col, but then again vikings... meh I donno
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3247
On October 04 2011 15:04 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Can people stop saying that PuMa won against MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row, im a toss player and MC fan but thats fucking annoying....people obviously didn't watch it and are just spreading the trolls work


Well he did use it twice out of 3 games.
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3248
Colossus first then HT then void ray is best way to play protoss.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3249
I think as the meta-game evolves we're gonna see hallucination used a lot more. Just imagine with a handful of sentires you can trick terran into thinking you're running a bunch of zealots into his bio = emp wasted on hallucinated zealots.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 06:06:02
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3250
On October 04 2011 15:04 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Can people stop saying that PuMa won against MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row, im a toss player and MC fan but thats fucking annoying....people obviously didn't watch it and are just spreading the trolls work


well there are people using the previous game to make subtle statements about PvT balance so no suprises there.
ScaringKids
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal819 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3251
On October 04 2011 15:00 samd wrote:
i dont understand why people aren't even considering the possibility that puma threw the games. I mean I don't 100% believe it but I could see it happening. Puma doesn't gain anything from winning. EG gets tons of publicity from their most talked about and famous player winning. Idra hasn't put together a good result in a while. And then there's this tweet: http://i.imgur.com/ssWYE.png

I mean it probably was legitimate games, but to instantly cuss out those raising questions is ignorant. This type of thing has happened in esports tons of times before.


Ye because the 1st thing i would do if i managed a team and fixed matches between my players would be to tweet about it. These LR threads are seriously becoming a pile of shit talk.
MC | NesTea | Jaedong | PartinG | Liquid'HerO | MvP | Flash | White-Ra | Polt | Squirtle |
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3252
On October 04 2011 15:05 Tewks44 wrote:
I think as the meta-game evolves we're gonna see hallucination used a lot more. Just imagine with a handful of sentires you can trick terran into thinking you're running a bunch of zealots into his bio = emp wasted on hallucinated zealots.


do you know how much energy it costs to use hillu?

BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3253
On October 04 2011 14:55 tuho12345 wrote:
Puma has never impressed me. Kinda normal players, yeah he beat foreigners but so what? He beat MC with 3 1/1/1 in a row?When he hit the wall like NaDa,MVP or Bomber, he looked so weak.


Koreans Puma has beaten in recent tournaments:

Alive (NASL Open Tournament) 3-2
Clide (NASL Open Tournament) 2-0
Squirtle (NASL Finals) 2-1
July (NASL Finals) 3-1
MC (NASL Finals) 4-3
MC (IEM Cologne) 3-0
Nada (Pool D Play MLG Raleigh) 2-1
Moonan (Pool D Play MLG Raleigh) 2-0
JYP (IEM Guangzhou) 3-0

So yeah, we have 4 Terrans, 3 Protoss, and a Zerg there.

In addition in the above tournaments he beat Dimaga, Ret, Sheth, Kiwikaki, Hasuobs, Nightend, Socke, Nerchio, SaSe, and Stephano.

Puma is for real.
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3254
On October 04 2011 14:18 swinkles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:17 Tewks44 wrote:
next game starts at 1:30 AM for me. I have to wake up at 8:45 AM tomorrow.

Poll: What Should I do?

Screw it! Stay up and watch the entire tournament (53)
 
77%

Go to sleep now. It's late and I have things to do (11)
 
16%

Watch a few games, but go to sleep before the finals (5)
 
7%

69 total votes

Your vote: What Should I do?

(Vote): Go to sleep now. It's late and I have things to do
(Vote): Watch a few games, but go to sleep before the finals
(Vote): Screw it! Stay up and watch the entire tournament




I have to wake up at 9 AM tomorrow, but im staying up anyways


ya I have to be awake by 7 cuz I have class from 8-11

but the real thing is my gf is already upstairs... damn I really hope Idra wins this shit
"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3255
On October 04 2011 15:04 Horse...falcon wrote:
Can we call Puma 'Moses' for storm dodging? I think that's appropriate


Lol. Snipe has got to be the best sound effect in the game. Does anything else come close?
Z: Idra #1 Stephano JD Scarlett Dimaga Life Violet DRG Sen; T: Demuslim Puma Illusion Bomber Polt TSpoon Strelok; P: Hasuobs Huk; Casters: Apollo #1 Axslav DJWheat Tasteless Bitter Artosis Incontrol RSimpson Psy Team: Let's GO EG!!
Pyre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1940 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3256
Hallucinations get revealed by scans, so the trick really only works once.

Colossus are the same problem as templers. Puma can just dance around units but instead the vikings snipe the colossus.

I guess warp prism HT's is the way to go
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3257
On October 04 2011 15:04 dormer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 15:00 samd wrote:
i dont understand why people aren't even considering the possibility that puma threw the games. I mean I don't 100% believe it but I could see it happening. Puma doesn't gain anything from winning. EG gets tons of publicity from their most talked about and famous player winning. Idra hasn't put together a good result in a while. And then there's this tweet: http://i.imgur.com/ssWYE.png

I mean it probably was legitimate games, but to instantly cuss out those raising questions is ignorant. This type of thing has happened in esports tons of times before.


The reason people cuss out those raising questions is that it's a pretty serious accusation. If players are fixing matches, then there goes the credibility of the sport. That isn't something you should just throw around when someone pulls off an upset or when one player looks worse than you'd expect them to. If there's evidence, if there's a pattern, if there's anything substantial, then sure. But just saying "Puma didn't look good against Idra, must have thrown the match on purpose" is pretty awful in my opinion. That's actually a big deal, this is supposed to be a real competition, not a professional wrestling match.

Edit @ the tweet: probably just a tweet :-p Hopefully. If you think he's serious about that, then sure, discuss it, I just get frustrated when some people talk about match fixing so casually -.-


Frankly even if Puma had played better Idra just looked awesome in that ZvT. If he hadn't looked so impressive I might consider it, but as is do not think Puma threw that game at all.
samd
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3258
that tod story was awesome
wat
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3259
poor hasu is getting meta gamed so hard right now...

Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3260
On October 04 2011 15:06 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 15:05 Tewks44 wrote:
I think as the meta-game evolves we're gonna see hallucination used a lot more. Just imagine with a handful of sentires you can trick terran into thinking you're running a bunch of zealots into his bio = emp wasted on hallucinated zealots.


do you know how much energy it costs to use hillu?



I'd rather use energy on hallucinations to waste EMPs than have EMPs land on my sentries and make them useless anyway.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
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