• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:26
CEST 23:26
KST 06:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism4Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?117Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? ASL22 General Discussion Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group B 2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6883 users

[IEM] Guangzhou - Day 4 - Final Day - Page 163

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 161 162 163 164 165 273 Next
Keep enjoying the games. In advance, if you OP whine, see you in a while. If you post well, hopefully see a lot more of you :D <3
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
October 04 2011 06:04 GMT
#3241
Can people stop saying that PuMa won against MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row, im a toss player and MC fan but thats fucking annoying....people obviously didn't watch it and are just spreading the trolls work
Hello friends:)
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 06:06:28
October 04 2011 06:04 GMT
#3242
On October 04 2011 15:00 samd wrote:
i dont understand why people aren't even considering the possibility that puma threw the games. I mean I don't 100% believe it but I could see it happening. Puma doesn't gain anything from winning. EG gets tons of publicity from their most talked about and famous player winning. Idra hasn't put together a good result in a while. And then there's this tweet: http://i.imgur.com/ssWYE.png

I mean it probably was legitimate games, but to instantly cuss out those raising questions is ignorant. This type of thing has happened in esports tons of times before.


The reason people cuss out those raising questions is that it's a pretty serious accusation. If players are fixing matches, then there goes the credibility of the sport. That isn't something you should just throw around when someone pulls off an upset or when one player looks worse than you'd expect them to. If there's evidence, if there's a pattern, if there's anything substantial, then sure. But just saying "Puma didn't look good against Idra, must have thrown the match on purpose" is pretty awful in my opinion. That's actually a big deal, this is supposed to be a real competition, not a professional wrestling match.

Edit @ the tweet: probably just a tweet :-p Hopefully. If you think he's serious about that, then sure, discuss it, I just get frustrated when some people talk about match fixing so casually -.-
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 06:05:13
October 04 2011 06:04 GMT
#3243
On October 04 2011 15:03 Wipples wrote:
Why don't protoss ever research hallucination for the midgame when its HT vs. Ghost? Seems to me like Hallucinating some HTS would be a good way to keep them from being sniped or EMPd. Any reasons not to do this?

Thats a really good idea, dont know why protosses dont do that :o actually vs zerg hallucinated lossus are really annoying aswell vs corrupters.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
FKAri
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada84 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3244
tod vs elakeduck story...shud be good ^^
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3245
omg I miss ElakeDuck :D
His in game chats were the best.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3246
HTs not doing so well versus ghosts.... needs more col, but then again vikings... meh I donno
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3247
On October 04 2011 15:04 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Can people stop saying that PuMa won against MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row, im a toss player and MC fan but thats fucking annoying....people obviously didn't watch it and are just spreading the trolls work


Well he did use it twice out of 3 games.
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3248
Colossus first then HT then void ray is best way to play protoss.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3249
I think as the meta-game evolves we're gonna see hallucination used a lot more. Just imagine with a handful of sentires you can trick terran into thinking you're running a bunch of zealots into his bio = emp wasted on hallucinated zealots.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 06:06:02
October 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#3250
On October 04 2011 15:04 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Can people stop saying that PuMa won against MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row, im a toss player and MC fan but thats fucking annoying....people obviously didn't watch it and are just spreading the trolls work


well there are people using the previous game to make subtle statements about PvT balance so no suprises there.
ScaringKids
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal819 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3251
On October 04 2011 15:00 samd wrote:
i dont understand why people aren't even considering the possibility that puma threw the games. I mean I don't 100% believe it but I could see it happening. Puma doesn't gain anything from winning. EG gets tons of publicity from their most talked about and famous player winning. Idra hasn't put together a good result in a while. And then there's this tweet: http://i.imgur.com/ssWYE.png

I mean it probably was legitimate games, but to instantly cuss out those raising questions is ignorant. This type of thing has happened in esports tons of times before.


Ye because the 1st thing i would do if i managed a team and fixed matches between my players would be to tweet about it. These LR threads are seriously becoming a pile of shit talk.
MC | NesTea | Jaedong | PartinG | Liquid'HerO | MvP | Flash | White-Ra | Polt | Squirtle |
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3252
On October 04 2011 15:05 Tewks44 wrote:
I think as the meta-game evolves we're gonna see hallucination used a lot more. Just imagine with a handful of sentires you can trick terran into thinking you're running a bunch of zealots into his bio = emp wasted on hallucinated zealots.


do you know how much energy it costs to use hillu?

BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5225 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3253
On October 04 2011 14:55 tuho12345 wrote:
Puma has never impressed me. Kinda normal players, yeah he beat foreigners but so what? He beat MC with 3 1/1/1 in a row?When he hit the wall like NaDa,MVP or Bomber, he looked so weak.


Koreans Puma has beaten in recent tournaments:

Alive (NASL Open Tournament) 3-2
Clide (NASL Open Tournament) 2-0
Squirtle (NASL Finals) 2-1
July (NASL Finals) 3-1
MC (NASL Finals) 4-3
MC (IEM Cologne) 3-0
Nada (Pool D Play MLG Raleigh) 2-1
Moonan (Pool D Play MLG Raleigh) 2-0
JYP (IEM Guangzhou) 3-0

So yeah, we have 4 Terrans, 3 Protoss, and a Zerg there.

In addition in the above tournaments he beat Dimaga, Ret, Sheth, Kiwikaki, Hasuobs, Nightend, Socke, Nerchio, SaSe, and Stephano.

Puma is for real.
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3254
On October 04 2011 14:18 swinkles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:17 Tewks44 wrote:
next game starts at 1:30 AM for me. I have to wake up at 8:45 AM tomorrow.

Poll: What Should I do?

Screw it! Stay up and watch the entire tournament (53)
 
77%

Go to sleep now. It's late and I have things to do (11)
 
16%

Watch a few games, but go to sleep before the finals (5)
 
7%

69 total votes

Your vote: What Should I do?

(Vote): Go to sleep now. It's late and I have things to do
(Vote): Watch a few games, but go to sleep before the finals
(Vote): Screw it! Stay up and watch the entire tournament




I have to wake up at 9 AM tomorrow, but im staying up anyways


ya I have to be awake by 7 cuz I have class from 8-11

but the real thing is my gf is already upstairs... damn I really hope Idra wins this shit
"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
October 04 2011 06:06 GMT
#3255
On October 04 2011 15:04 Horse...falcon wrote:
Can we call Puma 'Moses' for storm dodging? I think that's appropriate


Lol. Snipe has got to be the best sound effect in the game. Does anything else come close?
Z: Idra #1 Stephano JD Scarlett Dimaga Life Violet DRG Sen; T: Demuslim Puma Illusion Bomber Polt TSpoon Strelok; P: Hasuobs Huk; Casters: Apollo #1 Axslav DJWheat Tasteless Bitter Artosis Incontrol RSimpson Psy Team: Let's GO EG!!
Pyre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1940 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3256
Hallucinations get revealed by scans, so the trick really only works once.

Colossus are the same problem as templers. Puma can just dance around units but instead the vikings snipe the colossus.

I guess warp prism HT's is the way to go
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3257
On October 04 2011 15:04 dormer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 15:00 samd wrote:
i dont understand why people aren't even considering the possibility that puma threw the games. I mean I don't 100% believe it but I could see it happening. Puma doesn't gain anything from winning. EG gets tons of publicity from their most talked about and famous player winning. Idra hasn't put together a good result in a while. And then there's this tweet: http://i.imgur.com/ssWYE.png

I mean it probably was legitimate games, but to instantly cuss out those raising questions is ignorant. This type of thing has happened in esports tons of times before.


The reason people cuss out those raising questions is that it's a pretty serious accusation. If players are fixing matches, then there goes the credibility of the sport. That isn't something you should just throw around when someone pulls off an upset or when one player looks worse than you'd expect them to. If there's evidence, if there's a pattern, if there's anything substantial, then sure. But just saying "Puma didn't look good against Idra, must have thrown the match on purpose" is pretty awful in my opinion. That's actually a big deal, this is supposed to be a real competition, not a professional wrestling match.

Edit @ the tweet: probably just a tweet :-p Hopefully. If you think he's serious about that, then sure, discuss it, I just get frustrated when some people talk about match fixing so casually -.-


Frankly even if Puma had played better Idra just looked awesome in that ZvT. If he hadn't looked so impressive I might consider it, but as is do not think Puma threw that game at all.
samd
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3258
that tod story was awesome
wat
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3259
poor hasu is getting meta gamed so hard right now...

Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 04 2011 06:07 GMT
#3260
On October 04 2011 15:06 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 15:05 Tewks44 wrote:
I think as the meta-game evolves we're gonna see hallucination used a lot more. Just imagine with a handful of sentires you can trick terran into thinking you're running a bunch of zealots into his bio = emp wasted on hallucinated zealots.


do you know how much energy it costs to use hillu?



I'd rather use energy on hallucinations to waste EMPs than have EMPs land on my sentries and make them useless anyway.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Prev 1 161 162 163 164 165 273 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 450
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11587
Dewaltoss 134
Dota 2
monkeys_forever259
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1057
minikerr7
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0146
Other Games
summit1g7600
Grubby3179
Liquid`RaSZi2491
FrodaN823
fl0m796
shahzam433
ToD273
RotterdaM119
ArmadaUGS36
Chillindude23
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV46
BasetradeTV30
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 16
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki45
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21505
League of Legends
• TFBlade900
Other Games
• Shiphtur201
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
2h 35m
Kung Fu Cup
13h 35m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
The PondCast
1d 12h
KCM Race Survival
1d 12h
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
4 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
BlizzCon
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.