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Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
October 02 2011 16:52 GMT
#621
Guess Terran's not so ezpz anymore.

This is not a big surprise for me though. The only Zerg who's beaten MKP in a series so far is Nestea, back in their finals match up. It may have been DRG's best match up, but it's also MKP's.

It could have gone either way I guess. I suppose I prefer this result though, go MKP!

Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
October 02 2011 16:56 GMT
#622
Yay MKP!! He won a tournament with many good players, but now it is confirmed that this isn't a major tournament simply because he didn't take second place. :D
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
October 02 2011 17:01 GMT
#623
Some of you are so naive. Good players don't "rise above" the need for timings. This game is timings. Figure out when your opponent is weakest relative to you through preparation or scouting and go fucking kill him.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
October 02 2011 17:05 GMT
#624
MKP really is the second coming of Yellow.

LONG LIVE THE SPECIAL EVENT KING!
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
October 02 2011 17:06 GMT
#625
On October 03 2011 01:43 BarbieHsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:
MKP won? Meh, this tournament isn't prestigious enough to make a dent in his kong status. So I assume MKP hit timings to kill DRG? Fair enough. Why play straightup when you know you have the weaker macro game?


It is especially silly when you consider that DRG is widely reputed to be the better player and a TvZ monster. It would have been idiotic for MKP to play to DRG's strengths. [I thus quote the above]


by people on TeamLiquid, lol
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 02 2011 17:44 GMT
#626
Wow MKP is too good~ -.- wow so impressive
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
October 02 2011 17:50 GMT
#627
MKP back in action!
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
October 02 2011 17:54 GMT
#628
On October 03 2011 01:40 -reveNge- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 01:33 Tomken wrote:
On October 03 2011 00:32 zestzorb wrote:
So is he Optimus now? Or does he have to win a "real" GSL?

how can u compare this to a real GSL?


maybe due to the fact that combined gsl finals appearances from these players is 16

That is true, but there was only 1,800$ on the line here, unlike the 50,000$ in the GSL. The preparations done before each match looked much worse than it does in the GSL.
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 18:14:25
October 02 2011 18:13 GMT
#629
On October 02 2011 18:14 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
marine king too scared to play macro games against drg....


DRG not good enough to get past the midgame against MKP.

On October 02 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:
MKP won? Meh, this tournament isn't prestigious enough to make a dent in his kong status. So I assume MKP hit timings to kill DRG? Fair enough. Why play straightup when you know you have the weaker macro game?


DRG played greedy? Fair enough. Why play straightup when you know you have the weaker macro game? Oh, right, because someone good will just come kill you.

This is fun.

On October 02 2011 20:21 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 19:23 noddy wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:
MKP won? Meh, this tournament isn't prestigious enough to make a dent in his kong status. So I assume MKP hit timings to kill DRG? Fair enough. Why play straightup when you know you have the weaker macro game?


Another tool.

MarineKing's macro is perfectly fine.

He raped DRG in a macro game in the second game by the way.

I guess it's hard to gauge someone's ability in an area when you see so little of it. Most of MKP's 'macro game' wins have been because he crippled his opponents with timings and couldn't finish things then and there. I'm not saying that kind of playstyle is particularly bad or illegitimate, but it does make him a one-dimensional player. The reason he hit a slump a few months back is because people started figuring out his gimmicks. He tried to play a bit more standard, but that wasn't working out too well for him. Then he switched back to his usual style and it's been paying off lately. You have to give him some props for coming up with new timings, but that still doesn't mean he's not a one-trick pony. I guess I'm just disappointed that someone like MKP can have that kind of success in the game, playing the same way again and again for almost a year. That or I'm just disappointed with Blizzard for making a game that makes it possible.


His recent slump was basically just mech in TvT. The Up and Down group that sent him to Code A was Ryung, Happy, Dream and Fruitdealer. MKP went 1-3...guess who he beat? His Code S group that kept him from advancing was Bomber, Ryung and Puzzle. He went 2-1...guess who he beat? The guy just doesn't seem to have the skills he needs to tank battle, right now. I'm guessing it is because he played Protoss in Brood War; so, he has less history with tanks. Hopefully he will figure it out soon. The popularity of mech and the prevalence of Terrans in the GSL does not bode well for his future, right now.

"Someone like MKP"? You mean a player with phenomenal control and excellent mechanics? Yeah, it is a real shame that skilled players are successful in SC2.

...

Anyway, anyone who watched the SK Gaming Asians Champion Trophy saw this style from MKP before. That is how he beat Cezanne. In fact, he did that exact double reactor hellion build in one of the games.

Also, anyone remember Boxer's last matches in Code A against Leenock? He tried a similar hellion/marine build as MKP did in game 4, only he did not quite control his units well enough against Leenock's banelings. People were saying how it would probably take someone like MKP to make that style work. I hope too see more of that from MKP in the future - I like it. Despite the absolutely tragic loss of lurkers, bio without tanks versus Zerg still has a feel similar to SK Terran and that is something everyone can enjoy.
BigJuiceBox
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom36 Posts
October 02 2011 18:16 GMT
#630
MKP <3
Always, I wan to be with you, and make believe with you. And live in harmony harmony oooh
TimeFlighT
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia257 Posts
October 02 2011 18:17 GMT
#631
MarineKing fighting~~~~~~~~
Philo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States337 Posts
October 02 2011 18:18 GMT
#632
MKP wins another tournament that no one watched? Still Kong to me. L O L
Other people do 24 hour streams. I just let GoOdy play a Bo11 TvT. - Special Endrey
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 18:22:35
October 02 2011 18:21 GMT
#633
I wouldn't really consider DRG to be a strong "macro Zerg", to be honest. He gets an advantage on two bases and rides it out for a win a lot of the time. He's not like NesTea. I don't think many players are afraid of DRG's macro. They're afraid of his unit control.
Tsuycc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada269 Posts
October 02 2011 18:36 GMT
#634
On October 03 2011 03:13 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 18:14 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote:
marine king too scared to play macro games against drg....


DRG not good enough to get past the midgame against MKP.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:
MKP won? Meh, this tournament isn't prestigious enough to make a dent in his kong status. So I assume MKP hit timings to kill DRG? Fair enough. Why play straightup when you know you have the weaker macro game?


DRG played greedy? Fair enough. Why play straightup when you know you have the weaker macro game? Oh, right, because someone good will just come kill you.

This is fun.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 20:21 Telcontar wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:23 noddy wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:
MKP won? Meh, this tournament isn't prestigious enough to make a dent in his kong status. So I assume MKP hit timings to kill DRG? Fair enough. Why play straightup when you know you have the weaker macro game?


Another tool.

MarineKing's macro is perfectly fine.

He raped DRG in a macro game in the second game by the way.

I guess it's hard to gauge someone's ability in an area when you see so little of it. Most of MKP's 'macro game' wins have been because he crippled his opponents with timings and couldn't finish things then and there. I'm not saying that kind of playstyle is particularly bad or illegitimate, but it does make him a one-dimensional player. The reason he hit a slump a few months back is because people started figuring out his gimmicks. He tried to play a bit more standard, but that wasn't working out too well for him. Then he switched back to his usual style and it's been paying off lately. You have to give him some props for coming up with new timings, but that still doesn't mean he's not a one-trick pony. I guess I'm just disappointed that someone like MKP can have that kind of success in the game, playing the same way again and again for almost a year. That or I'm just disappointed with Blizzard for making a game that makes it possible.


His recent slump was basically just mech in TvT. The Up and Down group that sent him to Code A was Ryung, Happy, Dream and Fruitdealer. MKP went 1-3...guess who he beat? His Code S group that kept him from advancing was Bomber, Ryung and Puzzle. He went 2-1...guess who he beat? The guy just doesn't seem to have the skills he needs to tank battle, right now. I'm guessing it is because he played Protoss in Brood War; so, he has less history with tanks. Hopefully he will figure it out soon. The popularity of mech and the prevalence of Terrans in the GSL does not bode well for his future, right now.

"Someone like MKP"? You mean a player with phenomenal control and excellent mechanics? Yeah, it is a real shame that skilled players are successful in SC2.

...

Anyway, anyone who watched the SK Gaming Asians Champion Trophy saw this style from MKP before. That is how he beat Cezanne. In fact, he did that exact double reactor hellion build in one of the games.

Also, anyone remember Boxer's last matches in Code A against Leenock? He tried a similar hellion/marine build as MKP did in game 4, only he did not quite control his units well enough against Leenock's banelings. People were saying how it would probably take someone like MKP to make that style work. I hope too see more of that from MKP in the future - I like it. Despite the absolutely tragic loss of lurkers, bio without tanks versus Zerg still has a feel similar to SK Terran and that is something everyone can enjoy.



these post probably just shut up all the DRG fanboys

gratz for MKP though, next stop, MLG then..... GSL!

[Hoping spider mines are brought back in SC2] // MarineKing // Leta // Polt | Terran Pride "my girlfriend is the medivac" -Rain
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 02 2011 18:42 GMT
#635
On October 03 2011 03:21 koppik wrote:
I wouldn't really consider DRG to be a strong "macro Zerg", to be honest. He gets an advantage on two bases and rides it out for a win a lot of the time. He's not like NesTea. I don't think many players are afraid of DRG's macro. They're afraid of his unit control.

I find in confusing as to why people think Nestea is god ZvT. His ZvT win ratio is only 57 percent. Drg is 73%. Macro zerg is not a superior style.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44116 Posts
October 02 2011 18:46 GMT
#636
On October 02 2011 23:59 MCDayC wrote:
In this case, MKP was dammed if he did, and damned if he didn't. If he came second, well that would have played to form, but by winning it, well he STILL represented the Kong line. His only option would have been to crash out at group stages, to save some respect


Totally true lol. Looking at the vast majority of prediction posts on this thread proves that

I like DRG more than MKP anyway though, so I was hoping DRG would have won.

That being said, I'm going to give credit where credit is due, and congratulate MKP on his win ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
October 02 2011 18:49 GMT
#637
yes MKP! hopefully this will give you confidence so you can take a win in the upcoming MLG
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
October 02 2011 19:12 GMT
#638
haha it's too funny that MKP won...he must be really feeling superstitious now
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
October 02 2011 20:00 GMT
#639
MKP just cant play TvT. His other match ups are stellar
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
October 02 2011 20:06 GMT
#640
On October 03 2011 05:00 epoc wrote:
MKP just cant play TvT. His other match ups are stellar


And that may have made him the only T player to actually benefit from the patch
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