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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
October 02 2011 14:56 GMT
#601
congrats MKP

But it's only a special event >:D kekekek jk
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Inside.Out
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada569 Posts
October 02 2011 14:57 GMT
#602
lol this is exactly what MKP did to fruitdealer in GSL2, he just stomped him out with early timings before the zerg could go into macro mode.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 02 2011 14:59 GMT
#603
In this case, MKP was dammed if he did, and damned if he didn't. If he came second, well that would have played to form, but by winning it, well he STILL represented the Kong line. His only option would have been to crash out at group stages, to save some respect
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 14:59:34
October 02 2011 14:59 GMT
#604
On October 02 2011 23:57 EcstatiC wrote:
lol this is exactly what MKP did to fruitdealer in GSL2, he just stomped him out with early timings before the zerg could go into macro mode.

Well, DRG showed a weakness in game 3 and Marineking exploited it in all the other games - just smart play.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
October 02 2011 15:03 GMT
#605
Rofl, he won a special event but still not a full starleague! The Kong line continues!
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
October 02 2011 15:32 GMT
#606
So is he Optimus now? Or does he have to win a "real" GSL?
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 15:39:53
October 02 2011 15:39 GMT
#607
MKP still the Immortal Kong
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 15:43:06
October 02 2011 15:42 GMT
#608
On October 03 2011 00:32 zestzorb wrote:
So is he Optimus now? Or does he have to win a "real" GSL?

He needs a real GSL. MKP already won tons of side events like this. (by "tons" I mean at least 4 on top of my head).
Kong liners are famous for winning a lot of side events, but never the main event, so his win today is in the logic of the universe.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
October 02 2011 15:45 GMT
#609
Pfft, special event.

Wanted another silver
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 16:21:55
October 02 2011 16:00 GMT
#610
On October 02 2011 18:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 18:13 Pajegetc wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:05 Drey wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:03 Mioraka wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote:
I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?

Or do people just feel sorry for him?

I dont get it


No one said marines were OP before he made them OP. Most people were complaining about marauders.

He changed the TvZ matchup completely.

He popularized the 2 rax build.

He got 2nd place 4 times in GSL.


A lot of people said marines were good before him, they have insane dps and efficency, and how did he change TvZ ? Dont terran do marine/tank/medivacs anymore ?


Before MKP vs Kyrix, NO ONE knew that splitting marines against Banelings was effective.

No, MVP was the first to split marines, but MKP just made it really famous through that series and being only marine heavy.


17 minutes on creep without combat shields, that's probably why he's the marine King.

2-rax aggression came from Maka, hence the term "Maka-build" (in Korea).

ambient_orange
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
October 02 2011 16:05 GMT
#611
good job MKP.
DOA: "Where are the signs for Nestea?" MC: "In Korea."
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
October 02 2011 16:14 GMT
#612
The suggestion, that mma hid some special builds is some reasonable, because TvT is a very gimmicky matchup, where you can put on a lot of trickery on your opponent. BUT to say, that this is the case for DRG is just stupid. ZvT is all about standard solid reactionary play. Does anyone here really think, that DRG ist not known for his Muta harassment, or Muta/(Bane)Ling mapcontrol? and would it be really suprising to see DRG pull off some infestor play? NO damn! ZvT is a really standard matchup, solid play with 2 possible standard all ins (roach or baneling/speedling allin). Perhaps he has some special build hold back. But that doesn't explain why he shouldn't be playing his very strong standard play, he uses to all the time! This suggestion is only some shit by stupid haters, trying to troll MKP's success. He played very well today. None of his builds was all in, he got an expansion and tech behind all of them!
Saying that he can't win a straight up macro game is shit too, just watch game 2 stupid haters.
Grats, well deserved and well played MKP!
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
October 02 2011 16:16 GMT
#613
congrats MKP--hopefully this gets him over whatever mental block has kept him from winning any finals before.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
October 02 2011 16:18 GMT
#614
Wooo MKP! very abusive play vs. DRG
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
secretary bird
Profile Joined September 2011
447 Posts
October 02 2011 16:24 GMT
#615
I thought a maka rax was just building a second rax in your natural, but anyway doesnt take a genius to just build 2 raxes ASAP I suppose.

MKP was the first to pull a ton of scv s and attack with just 1 marine in GSL but thats a move thats not really used anymore.

Still he used to expand without gas almost every game before that became popular so I give him credit for that and his micro was just epic back then.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
October 02 2011 16:27 GMT
#616
On October 03 2011 01:00 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 18:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:13 Pajegetc wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:05 Drey wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:03 Mioraka wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote:
I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?

Or do people just feel sorry for him?

I dont get it


No one said marines were OP before he made them OP. Most people were complaining about marauders.

He changed the TvZ matchup completely.

He popularized the 2 rax build.

He got 2nd place 4 times in GSL.


A lot of people said marines were good before him, they have insane dps and efficency, and how did he change TvZ ? Dont terran do marine/tank/medivacs anymore ?


Before MKP vs Kyrix, NO ONE knew that splitting marines against Banelings was effective.

No, MVP was the first to split marines, but MKP just made it really famous through that series and being only marine heavy.


17 minutes on creep without combat shields, that's probably why he's the marine King.

2-rax aggression came from Maka, hence the term "Maka-build" (in Korea).


Maka rax was not really the 2rax 12 14, it was a rax visible by the standart scout pattern.
MKP used 2 rax with an hidden rax (thus not really a maka rax) and popularized the various 2rax openers, the original maka rax didn't won Maka broadcasted games I think.
Anyways a lot of terrans splitted their marines a bit (Mvp did it against Zenio) but not in the early game or not a lot.
Plus the fact that Mvp lost to Zenio didn't help, whereas MarineKing crushed through his opponents more or less with marines+micro tricks only.
WriterMaru
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
October 02 2011 16:33 GMT
#617
On October 03 2011 00:32 zestzorb wrote:
So is he Optimus now? Or does he have to win a "real" GSL?

how can u compare this to a real GSL?
MBCGame HERO FIGHTING!!!~
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 16:36:26
October 02 2011 16:35 GMT
#618
On October 03 2011 01:27 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 01:00 Xpace wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:13 Pajegetc wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:05 Drey wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:03 Mioraka wrote:
On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote:
I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?

Or do people just feel sorry for him?

I dont get it


No one said marines were OP before he made them OP. Most people were complaining about marauders.

He changed the TvZ matchup completely.

He popularized the 2 rax build.

He got 2nd place 4 times in GSL.


A lot of people said marines were good before him, they have insane dps and efficency, and how did he change TvZ ? Dont terran do marine/tank/medivacs anymore ?


Before MKP vs Kyrix, NO ONE knew that splitting marines against Banelings was effective.

No, MVP was the first to split marines, but MKP just made it really famous through that series and being only marine heavy.


17 minutes on creep without combat shields, that's probably why he's the marine King.

2-rax aggression came from Maka, hence the term "Maka-build" (in Korea).


Maka rax was not really the 2rax 12 14, it was a rax visible by the standart scout pattern.
MKP used 2 rax with an hidden rax (thus not really a maka rax) and popularized the various 2rax openers, the original maka rax didn't won Maka broadcasted games I think.
Anyways a lot of terrans splitted their marines a bit (Mvp did it against Zenio) but not in the early game or not a lot.
Plus the fact that Mvp lost to Zenio didn't help, whereas MarineKing crushed through his opponents more or less with marines+micro tricks only.


Maka rax is a completely foreign term, in Korea 2-rax early aggression play is called the Maka-build. I believe Wolf (or Moletrap, crc) mentioned this fact in one of their recent casts after having spoken to Maka himself about the "Maka rax".

Edit: I think they mentioned it in Maka's most recent GSL match.
-reveNge-
Profile Joined August 2010
77 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 16:41:10
October 02 2011 16:40 GMT
#619
On October 03 2011 01:33 Tomken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 00:32 zestzorb wrote:
So is he Optimus now? Or does he have to win a "real" GSL?

how can u compare this to a real GSL?


maybe due to the fact that combined gsl finals appearances from these players is 16
BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
October 02 2011 16:43 GMT
#620
On October 02 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:
MKP won? Meh, this tournament isn't prestigious enough to make a dent in his kong status. So I assume MKP hit timings to kill DRG? Fair enough. Why play straightup when you know you have the weaker macro game?


Timings have been described as both cheesy and abusive. I don't understand what's wrong with them. You attack when your opponent is weak and you are strong, to the best of your scouting. I think that to not take advantage of timings is actually doing the game a disservice, since Blizzard has tried to make a game of great variety: 3 iconic races with characteristics so definite that each race actually attracts particular types of players and fans. The race loyalty is also something I enjoy, but I digress.

Simply, not hitting when your opponent is weak is silly. It is especially silly when you consider that DRG is widely reputed to be the better player and a TvZ monster. It would have been idiotic for MKP to play to DRG's strengths. [I thus quote the above]

Yet people tend to say that the games were bad because of this.

The truth is I think DRG underperformed, and MKP really did his homework. The reason, not the excuse, may be that DRG has too much to prepare for: GSL, that Valencia thing, GSTL, this.

I also posit that DRG may be MKP's opposite in one way. MKP wilts in the limelight, DRG shines when there's a crowd.
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