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KwarK
United States43898 Posts
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LeonStarcraft
United Kingdom173 Posts
Admins have said that there is little they could have done today however, they say tomorrow should be better. Like TB said, this always happens to UK events and its unfortunate as i was super excited to cast, there aree plenty of specs here and would have been a fantastic atmosphere. Apologies for problems (although not my fault at all) hope to bring you guys something tomorrow. Keep the faith! | ||
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LeonStarcraft
United Kingdom173 Posts
On October 30 2011 00:38 Daystar wrote: I guess none of the casters turned up. Mr Bitter was the main caster, maybe the other two didn't want to cast solo. Poor showing either way. wtf is this? you guess the casters didn't turn up? on what basis? Please dont post such rubbish without learning the facts. | ||
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Pads
England3228 Posts
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tabbott26
United Kingdom379 Posts
On October 30 2011 01:23 Daystar wrote: Anyone who attempts to run a tourney has balls of steel  so you got our respect there /saluteEspecially here in the UK! | ||
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JBanKs
United Kingdom617 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:57 Pads wrote: he said i guess he didn't say 100% the casters didn't turn up, he made a fucking guess. geez every post of yours is having a go at someone, you need to chill the hell out. i see that pattern as well, hes probably just bummed like the rest of us that this is kinda a step backwards for the uk scene!!!  | ||
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JBanKs
United Kingdom617 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:48 LeonStarcraft wrote: wtf is this? you guess the casters didn't turn up? on what basis? Please dont post such rubbish without learning the facts. Don't take it to heart Leon, people are only curious. Can understand your reaction with the situation you are in. Let's hope it all gets sorted out and we have a stream up tomorrow. | ||
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Deranging
United Kingdom96 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:48 LeonStarcraft wrote: wtf is this? you guess the casters didn't turn up? on what basis? Please dont post such rubbish without learning the facts. ^whatever he said, just with a little less mad and stuff. | ||
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Sahand
United Kingdom114 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:12 KwarK wrote: No food in the stadium and not allowed to bring food in and no places nearby and "we're on a tight schedule so if you're not here you're DQed" so nobody has really eaten today which sucks. Sucks more for the people playing their games late (7pm, just played first game) but can't really be helped. Really? I managed to find a bar doing hot dogs & burgers | ||
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NemEU
United Kingdom30 Posts
I arrived as instructed at the venue this morning at 10am, we did not get told our groups until 1pm, being in group E I was told to be ready to play at 3.15. I returned at this time to discover there were only apparently 8 working PCs and that I would have to wait till around 7 to play my games. I noticed in this interim that my group had 5 players in it rather than 4 yet still top 2 advance.... WTF. I cannot understand how the organisers thought this was an ok thing to do, I learned later that another group had 6 players for some reason. I finally got to play my games at around 7.30, my group resulted in a three way tie for myself and two others, apparently EGL doesnt have any rules commited to writing for their SC2 event and the result was utter confusion on the part of the admins on how to handle the situation. I was told to return in the morning to play my tie breakers. I was annoyed at this as I had no intention of attending day 2 if I didnt pass group play which was supposed to be on the first day as it is a long journey for me and expensive. I also brought up the subject of unbalanced groups at this stage and the admin had the balls to try and explain to me it was in fact fair... Please dont try to bullshit me I am not a stupid man. Eventually it transpired after literally about 30 mins that one of our tied trio had better tie breakers than the rest of us and would advance, does this strike you as an insanely fucking simple solution that should have been reached in 30 seconds because it does to me. I will say the competitors at this event were fantastic and the admins were trying their best and helpful but for a few exemptions and I wish them no ill will. But I cannot let this go, and I feel the need to let my fellow SC2 players know how poor this event was so they can vote with thier feet next time. IMO it is not ok for events to be this bad and charge as much as £35 for entry and not even provide a fair playing field, because irony aside events like this quite literally are hurting esports and shouldnt get away with it. Rant over. | ||
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AdrenalGBR
United Kingdom182 Posts
Firstly, I wasn't able to access a PC today so I couldn't keep anyone updated, but here's roughly what happened from the people I was able to talk to; -- The PCs were ordered several weeks ago, they did not get the correct PCs or capture cards and only half of them were ever sent by the company they ordered from. Four of them did not initially work. -- On the subject of the stream, two of us did turn up (contrary to an earlier post suggesting otherwise) and MrBitter was unfortunate to not be able to travel. The evening prior, after a full day of console setup, the PCs (which were located in the Emirates store by their staff at past 10pm) were set up on stage and upon testing it was discovered that stuff didn't work. EGL staff worked through the night to get things sorted. How do I know? Because I was there. -- In the morning, the stage amplifier broke. At this point the admins faced a decision; with only four working PCs, they either pulled the PCs from the stage and cancelled the cast for the day entirely but rescued a Day 1 that was clearly not going to finish on time, or they continued to attempt to set up the cast and risk the Group Stage running into Day 2. They made the absolutely correct decision. Although I was gutted to not be able to do my job because of situations beyond anyone's control, the tournament ultimately had to come first. -- Food was allowed into the event (but obviously, branded food or food that could make a mess was kept out - sandwiches, salads etc were fine) and was served there too. Not only was there a shop selling stuff for lunches, there were also premade bags with sandwiches and stuff that could be picked up. The person who mentioned this obviously didn't look hard enough. -- On the subject of 5-man groups; there is no all-win situation. Either you give people byes in the knockout stages by having more than 8 groups (unfair to the people who don't get byes) or you have groups with more people in them. If you have more than 8 groups and an odd number, there will also be groups with 3 people in (thus making it "easier" for them, also unfair). I don't see a way around this that doesn't involve capping signups at a lower amount than they did. Ultimately, understand this: I am disappointed. I'm like everyone else that has a problem with this tournament - I expected something, and it didn't happen. But that's life. The wonderful thing about attending a tournament and being able to talk to the admins is that you get a new perspective on things. As far as I could tell, all of their problems were caused by faulty equipment or bad service by "respectable" companies that they bought and hired stuff from. You can't budget for things like this happening! It's like raging at IPL3 for having a truck plough through some internet cables. It happens, you deal with it the best you can. If there's no stream tomorrow because they need the PCs to get through the day, so be it. I have 3 minutes left on my internet, so the only other thing I'll say is that I've been here the day before the event and I've been here through the event itself so far; and these guys have put in more work than you and I would ever want to. They've had single-digit hours of sleep over three days. Give them a break. | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
On October 30 2011 03:48 LeonStarcraft wrote: wtf is this? you guess the casters didn't turn up? on what basis? Please dont post such rubbish without learning the facts. I think someone needs to look up the word guess! On topic, things like this happen a lot in the UK. But from what adrenal said it sounds like the organizers and admins really couldn't do anything about it. Hope things turn around for tomorrow. | ||
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tabbott26
United Kingdom379 Posts
On October 30 2011 07:50 AdrenalGBR wrote: + Show Spoiler + So I'm here on a pay-to-use PC in a hotel and it's pretty awful internet and I can't easily open new tabs (and the spacebar is falling off) so I'll keep this as brief as possible while hopefully addressing a fair few points. Firstly, I wasn't able to access a PC today so I couldn't keep anyone updated, but here's roughly what happened from the people I was able to talk to; -- The PCs were ordered several weeks ago, they did not get the correct PCs or capture cards and only half of them were ever sent by the company they ordered from. Four of them did not initially work. -- On the subject of the stream, two of us did turn up (contrary to an earlier post suggesting otherwise) and MrBitter was unfortunate to not be able to travel. The evening prior, after a full day of console setup, the PCs (which were located in the Emirates store by their staff at past 10pm) were set up on stage and upon testing it was discovered that stuff didn't work. EGL staff worked through the night to get things sorted. How do I know? Because I was there. -- In the morning, the stage amplifier broke. At this point the admins faced a decision; with only four working PCs, they either pulled the PCs from the stage and cancelled the cast for the day entirely but rescued a Day 1 that was clearly not going to finish on time, or they continued to attempt to set up the cast and risk the Group Stage running into Day 2. They made the absolutely correct decision. Although I was gutted to not be able to do my job because of situations beyond anyone's control, the tournament ultimately had to come first. -- Food was allowed into the event (but obviously, branded food or food that could make a mess was kept out - sandwiches, salads etc were fine) and was served there too. Not only was there a shop selling stuff for lunches, there were also premade bags with sandwiches and stuff that could be picked up. The person who mentioned this obviously didn't look hard enough. -- On the subject of 5-man groups; there is no all-win situation. Either you give people byes in the knockout stages by having more than 8 groups (unfair to the people who don't get byes) or you have groups with more people in them. If you have more than 8 groups and an odd number, there will also be groups with 3 people in (thus making it "easier" for them, also unfair). I don't see a way around this that doesn't involve capping signups at a lower amount than they did. Ultimately, understand this: I am disappointed. I'm like everyone else that has a problem with this tournament - I expected something, and it didn't happen. But that's life. The wonderful thing about attending a tournament and being able to talk to the admins is that you get a new perspective on things. As far as I could tell, all of their problems were caused by faulty equipment or bad service by "respectable" companies that they bought and hired stuff from. You can't budget for things like this happening! It's like raging at IPL3 for having a truck plough through some internet cables. It happens, you deal with it the best you can. If there's no stream tomorrow because they need the PCs to get through the day, so be it. I have 3 minutes left on my internet, so the only other thing I'll say is that I've been here the day before the event and I've been here through the event itself so far; and these guys have put in more work than you and I would ever want to. They've had single-digit hours of sleep over three days. Give them a break. Adrenal, thank you for coming onto this and explaining it fully and concisely. I think the main problem we have nowadays is that we always expect the highest quality of service from tournaments, regardless of whether they are "side shows" like here, or the centrepiece (like IPL3). We've been spoilt when it comes to production and execution of tournaments, so when something doesn't go right, we have a little rage about it. This plays exactly into the British mentality too, that things have to be perfect to be a success. We need to try and stop this raging. Yes, give constructive criticism, but don't come barrelling into the thread and come out with "Oh, the event was shit and a waste of my money" without knowing the minor details. At least wait for a statement like this. If those guys have worked their asses off due to someone else's mistakes, then cut them a bit of slack. Similarly, give the admins some credit for deciding that the players and their matches would have to come first over the stream. So what if we don't get a stream. That's something there for the viewer's pleasure, and ultimately has no effect on the actual tournament play. I would rant some more, but it would become incoherent and stupid. | ||
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NemEU
United Kingdom30 Posts
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zJayy962
1363 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:08 tabbott26 wrote: Adrenal, thank you for coming onto this and explaining it fully and concisely. I think the main problem we have nowadays is that we always expect the highest quality of service from tournaments, regardless of whether they are "side shows" like here, or the centrepiece (like IPL3). We've been spoilt when it comes to production and execution of tournaments, so when something doesn't go right, we have a little rage about it. This plays exactly into the British mentality too, that things have to be perfect to be a success. We need to try and stop this raging. Yes, give constructive criticism, but don't come barrelling into the thread and come out with "Oh, the event was shit and a waste of my money" without knowing the minor details. At least wait for a statement like this. If those guys have worked their asses off due to someone else's mistakes, then cut them a bit of slack. Similarly, give the admins some credit for deciding that the players and their matches would have to come first over the stream. So what if we don't get a stream. That's something there for the viewer's pleasure, and ultimately has no effect on the actual tournament play. I would rant some more, but it would become incoherent and stupid. To be fair, the ranting that I see about the event is not really about the staff. The staff there worked their butts off and deserve a round of applause. They did the best they could given the circumstances. With that said, there is a real problem with a tournament with group play that doesn't have clearly stated rules about tie-breaks. There is also a problem when the rules page claims that 10:30AM is the end of registration but staff announced at 12:00PM that they were still waiting for people to arrive (read: most people that arrived on time waited about 3 hours for late comers). This is in not the right way to handle things. If people are late, disqualify them. Don't let them show up NINETY minutes late and allow them to delay a tournament that is already short on computers to play on. To conclude, I'd like to thank the staff for doing the best job they could given the circumstances but the way the staff handled the rules of the tournament was clearly unprofessional. No one is asking for a perfectly run tournament and from what I see, no one is mindlessly bashing it. Players just have to ask themselves next time if its worth it to pay 35 pounds to play in a tournament that has such glaring issues. | ||
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tabbott26
United Kingdom379 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:34 zJayy962 wrote: To be fair, the ranting that I see about the event is not really about the staff. The staff there worked their butts off and deserve a round of applause. They did the best they could given the circumstances. With that said, there is a real problem with a tournament with group play that doesn't have clearly stated rules about tie-breaks. There is also a problem when the rules page claims that 10:30AM is the end of registration but staff announced at 12:00PM that they were still waiting for people to arrive (read: most people that arrived on time waited about 3 hours for late comers). This is in not the right way to handle things. If people are late, disqualify them. Don't let them show up NINETY minutes late and allow them to delay a tournament that is already short on computers to play on. To conclude, I'd like to thank the staff for doing the best job they could given the circumstances but the way the staff handled the rules of the tournament was clearly unprofessional. No one is asking for a perfectly run tournament and from what I see, no one is mindlessly bashing it. Players just have to ask themselves next time if its worth it to pay 35 pounds to play in a tournament that has such glaring issues. I'm confused now, there was a guy who said that the staff were like "If you're late at all you're DQ'ed." What happened then?? | ||
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LeonStarcraft
United Kingdom173 Posts
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zJayy962
1363 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:37 tabbott26 wrote: I'm confused now, there was a guy who said that the staff were like "If you're late at all you're DQ'ed." What happened then?? Not sure what the other guy said, but fact is that games were supposed to start after registration ended (planned for 10:30). People didn't begin games till about ~1:15. Players were definitely were not DQ'd for being late for the initial registration. Which slowed down the whole day by ~2 hours. Not sure if people were DQ'd for being late to games though. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:49 LeonStarcraft wrote: Im pissed off because people with no clue about what happened goes on this forum suggesting that I didnt turn up to an event I agreed to, its just borderline slander. It is not slander? He is guessing at the reason for the outcome of the event. Calm the hell down! You clarified what actually happened, im sure he would be more then willing to admit he was wrong on this petty fact and move on with his life, you should try the same. I give you this quote: On October 23 2011 23:30 Capped wrote: Seems super unorganised to be honest, while im a big fan just because you are helping UK esports. One week away - no casters to be heard about? O.o whats that about... Adding things to your tournament (or just the description? hmm) as people post in the TL thread... Long way to go for you in terms of professionalism imo...Gl none the less. While i am blind in this situation as i have not attended myself, i guessed before that it was poorly organised and it seems i was correct. <Following statement based entirely on posts in this thread by attendee's> No written rules or clarification for admins, so they are left standing looking like idiots - which is completely unfair to them as they have a right to know how to do their jobs properly. Players been told one thing and then the next again due to bad organisation. See above posts on registration closing at 10:30 but still waiting at 12:00 for players?? Im not understanding? you say if your late your DQed but wait ninety minutes for players to turn up to an already hindered and behind schedule event? On the topic of the computers - this was not entirely the companies fault to be perfectly honest - why order them so late into it in the first place, you have no plan B to get computers? really? You order them so late that you have no time to make prior arrangements. Another thing is whats with the venue? sure its "cool" that its the arsenal stadium, but is it really the right place for a gaming tournament? wheres the link or sense in it. Its only going to hinder you because of the stressed rules on the place, better off renting a random hall somewhere and going with that. You get nothing out of it except some added "wow" factor and publicity. I think the points proved by having restrictions on food in the place, that made me giggle. The players not being able to eat or leave because they would be DQed, but having to wait hours on end is a joke IMO. Lastly, i do appreciate what you attempted to do, but the results seem to be atrocious. I feel sorry for the admins who have had to work under such poor conditions and salute them for the job they're doing. | ||
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